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Post by Retrovision on Nov 27, 2007 12:06:17 GMT -8
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Post by Ferryman on Nov 27, 2007 18:17:42 GMT -8
Why are they designed by Asians that made them like Pokemon characters, but have aboriginal names......
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Post by Mill Bay on Nov 27, 2007 18:39:12 GMT -8
Why are they designed by Asians that made them like Pokemon characters, but have aboriginal names...... Because multi-culturalism in practice gives you nothing but an identity crisis... they may appeal to kids, but aren't the Olympics supposed to include all of us? And, since they are in our particular corner of the world, aren't the mascots for our Olympics supposed to represent all of us too...? As impossible as it would be to come up with any one symbol that touches every single person, these mascots still could have been a lot more cross-cultural, as they actually seem rather mono-cultural, derived from only one of the numerous cultural groups in B.C. in terms of the origins of their imagery and symbollism. |
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Post by DENelson83 on Nov 27, 2007 19:09:48 GMT -8
Remember that these mascots aren't being marketed to adults. VANOC is aiming for kids to like 'em.
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Post by Retrovision on Nov 27, 2007 19:23:09 GMT -8
I agree with many others giving their opinion to the media that they seem to appeal to who they're aimed at, the younger generation. I can't complain as they contrast nicely with the overly-iconic inukshuk, symbol for the games, and are a refreshing change from the stereotype-filled segment of ours at the closing ceremonies of the last winter games. I approve because I'm far more concerned about how they'll inspire the next generation as opposed to us oldies who are set in our ways for the most part. Why are they designed by Asians that made them like Pokemon characters, but have aboriginal names...... Who said that they're designed by Asian s? No tone intended, but for your own sake I'd do some research before commenting on such a potential powder keg of an issue, not that your opinion is unfounded and I can see what you're getting at. In fact the creators are a husband and wife team and, if it has any bearing, one is Asian and one is Caucasian.  |
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Post by Northern Exploration on Nov 27, 2007 21:46:47 GMT -8
My professional recommendation to VANOC would have been not to just cater mascots to kids. They are part of a bigger picture to market the whole games. I think the meanings behind the mascots are too complex and will be lost in the shuffle. A mascot should have instaneous meaning and the story be told simply by looking at them. Remember we are talking an international audience. Personally I don't like them but often I have to set my personal opinions asside to push for a marketing plan that works. We will see how the public reacts.
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Post by Scott on Nov 27, 2007 23:26:40 GMT -8
Kids like them, I don't. Mainly because they could be right out of a Japanese comic strip... but that's just my taste in "art" I guess. I don't really care too much.. but the media had built up some anticipation for this event:) It seems almost everything the Olympic committee does, from the logo to the closing ceremonies segment has been a disappointment in how they have represented Vancouver and British Columbia.
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Post by Retrovision on Nov 27, 2007 23:30:39 GMT -8
I think that I should qualify my judgement as being compared to previous mascots. Between the dashund used for the 1972 Summer Olympic Games ( www.tinyurl.com/yqs5tc) and those strange, though archaeologically based, Greece Olympic Summer Games mascots of 2004 ( www.tinyurl.com/25to45), I think that we got off easy. What I find particularly interesting is the decision to include a fourth peripheral honorary mascot. It's great to aknowledge the endangered Vancouver Island Marmot, but I smell the stench of a want for more sales. |
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on Nov 27, 2007 23:34:26 GMT -8
Here is the video for the three mascots for 2010... Oh, and watch out for that digital Coastal Class... 
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Post by DENelson83 on Nov 28, 2007 0:12:55 GMT -8
Well, I'm glad VANOC appeased us ferry geeks with that vid!  |
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Post by Northern Exploration on Nov 28, 2007 7:24:33 GMT -8
So many times a lot of committees and groups like VANOC (there are many others you can name) try to go to far and do too much. They forget that in cases such as this simple and predictable can be often the best. But often they do the "over creative" thing and sumarily reject great concepts. I would hope they did focus groups and pretested the mascots.
The public is fickle and can be hard to predict. But sometimes when you give the public what they expect in a fresh way the response is huge. Other times something entirely new and fresh explodes and really takes off. Certainly they will sell mascots no matter what they look like, simply because it is the olympics and people will look for souvenirs. And the fact that there are 3 + 1, will mean people will buy one of each.
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Post by DENelson83 on Dec 1, 2007 19:05:15 GMT -8
I just had a think and I believe those mascots fit Vancouver in another way... Miga represents the sea, Quatchi represents the land, and Sumi represents the air, and guess what city's motto is "By sea, land and air we prosper"? That's right... Vancouver.  |
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Post by Ferryman on Dec 1, 2007 20:20:34 GMT -8
I like the concept of the mascots, just not the fact that they look like a ripoff of "Hello Kitty" characters.
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Post by Nick on Dec 2, 2007 17:27:25 GMT -8
I think that I agree with Chris on this one. I like the characters, and how they do incorporate the many different elements of the region, and I especially like how they incorporated the Vancouver Island Marmot in the mix. I don't like the artwork of them, and how they look a lot like Pokemon or cheap animated TV shows.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2007 10:28:49 GMT -8
Whatever they are, they are sure selling, like hot cakes. As Christmas gifts for kids. A store that I was in last week had a lot of them and when I went yesterday, the display was l/3 the size of the previous week.
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Post by Mike C on Dec 15, 2007 20:08:44 GMT -8
OK, I have the "Official" (cheesy) story book on the Mascots of my graduation year, and I might add that the M/V Coastal-mon, whatever you want to call it, was shown in a tiny corner of one of the pictures. Apparently, I heard from a little birdy, that they come in multiple sizes - and the sales on these things is amazing - and they aren't cheap either. If you actually want to get your hands on one of these little Poke-dolls I recommend the Vancouver 2010 Official Clothing provider: Hudson's Bay Company. By the way - Quatchi is a photographer - just thought I'd add a little inpsiration Unless that's completely uninspiring... and I can imagine some of you are probably throwing your cameras in the trash can right now - sorry about that. |
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Post by Curtis on Dec 15, 2007 23:02:54 GMT -8
Okay...I've waited long enough to express my opinion on the "Hello-2010-Mon-scots!" Younger crowd loves them older crowd dislikes them. Personally I think they're cute, but Maybe they were a little too focused on the kiddies. Though it Gives a tiny bit of combination in a way. Mythical Creatures, a Nod to Our First Nations. "Hello Kitty!"/"Pokemon" Animation, a Nod to the Asian Crowd. 2010 Logos, a Nod to...Well You Get the Picture. It's nice to see something that isn't a Moose, Bear, or a Beaver, But maybe they're overusing the First Nation Feel. The Verdict. We've Gone Through The 2010 Logo, New Ferry Names, Awful NHL Jerseys, and Plenty of Controversy. But If You Don't Like Them...Well, Let Nelson Speak for Me...  We're Stuck with them, So Get Over it and Stop your Whining This whole thing makes me think, If you're gonna B**** and Complain about it Why Did Want the Olympics Anyway?? |
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Post by Nick on Dec 16, 2007 0:36:54 GMT -8
We're Stuck with them, So Get Over it and Stop your Whining This whole thing makes me think, If you're gonna B**** and Complain about it Why Did Want the Olympics Anyway?? Trouble is, not all of us wanted the olympics in the first place. I know a number of people who were very vocal in their opposition to it. They predicted many cost overruns and botched projects (read: Convention centre), which I have to say has come true in many respects. I think there are a number of people around who have a right to b**** and complain about the billions of dollars being thrown in a hole for 2 weeks worth of games. |
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Post by Northern Exploration on Dec 16, 2007 7:40:19 GMT -8
Well everyone doesn't share my opinion of the mascots. The biggest Bay Store in Canada at Queen and Yonge has sold out a couple times of the little rug rats. The square yeti/bigfoot one seems to have more shelf life, either that or they made more of them. This store is across from the Eaton Centre so gets a lot of tourists and visitors as well.
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Post by WettCoast on Dec 16, 2007 19:40:28 GMT -8
The Olympics in Vancouver are a done deal so we need to make the best of them and hope that we won't be paying for them for the next 30 years.
Having said that my feeling is that Vancouver is not really a winter city. Winter Olympics really ought to take place in winter cities like Calgary or Quebec. As for the snow events which will be held in Whistler or the North Shore mountains - one can only hope that the weather gods co-operate. Whistler's reputation for reliable weather during world cup ski events is not very good. I sometimes think of Whistler as Kitimat South - i.e. a place with a similar climate that is located is in Vancouver's back yard.
We should remember that Vancouver got these games as Canada's consolation prize for Toronto's loss in not getting the summer games (the 2008 version coming soon in China).
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Post by Northern Exploration on Dec 16, 2007 20:47:10 GMT -8
Wet Coast Kid I laugh everytime I see your avatar and the pair of dice. Good one. Despite what Toronto may think I don't think we were truly in the running that go round. I am not sure we ever will be. Toronto is too safe and vanilla, and not as exotic or sexy as is required to win over enough delegates. Sure it is about as multicultural as you can get, sure it is safe and clean, sure it is the third largest Theatre Centre after London and New York. It is an extremely political process and the city doesn't have that extra something that is needed. We would have a better chance at the winter games if our snow was reliable or we had larger mountains. Montreal got it because it is a much sexier city and at that stage in the Olympic Politics they were willing to spend the graft to sway votes. Now that graft is more subtle we can't even grease the skids as much. Pan Am Games or Expo, maybe. But the Olympics are a huge long shot here and even then would be many years away. I agree Wet. All the protesting and complaining now is for naught. Everyone might as well leverage the situation for the best they are capable of, and turn a pigs ear into a purse as is were. Leave town and rent out your place for some bucks at least if you aren't in favour of them . |
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Post by Dane on Dec 17, 2007 14:29:49 GMT -8
Toronto .... sure it is safe and clean Toronto, safe..... pfft ;D My Criminology senses are tingling. Actually Toronto isn't that bad, but with the exception of homocide it has the most violent crime in Canada with cold hard numbers; a lot better when you correct for population. The homocide honour resides with Edmonton. This is based on the last elongated statistics from 2001-2005, the most recent available (to undergrads). Anyways, I digress. With respect to the mascots. They are designed to sell, I think VANOC found a good market. I don't really like them that much, notwithstanding the connection to ferries, but my younger family members foam at the mouth when they see them. I agree wholeheartedly with West Coast Kid's statement that we ought to make the best of it. I was pro-Olympic from the start, but that was an opinion based on realizing the only way to get much of the infastructure BC is currently recieving an influx of energy would be needed like 2010. Similar in many ways to Expo 86, although I was a fetus for that. Although the Canada Line and Highway 99 are not "Olympic" projects, we all know the truth, and although the Canada Line didn't address the most serious need in Metro Vancouver for mass transit it did nonetheless give us something. Some of the only recent rational transit policies out of the Translink board have been influenced by the Olympics. Let's take what we can get... although there is so much money involved for two weeks there will be lasting benefits for years to come (and negatives for years to come too, it's all about balance I suppose). PS - I thought the 2010 wrap on the CR looked far better in person than online. Overheard numerous positive comments at Canada Place. |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 22, 2007 15:37:41 GMT -8
Our 2010 mascots might be lame, but at least we don't have a logo like London-2012, which features an image of Lisa Simpson.  |
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Post by Curtis on Dec 22, 2007 17:28:07 GMT -8
Our 2010 mascots might be lame, but at least we don't have a logo like London-2012, which features an image of Lisa Simpson. And I thought the 2010 logo was bad...Their's makes the Inukshuk look good. The other day I was thinking (wouldn't be the first time) about the 2010 logo and thought, why did we use an Inukshuk When we Live on the West Coast Far From the Inuit people? Then I thought why didn't we use a Totem Pole instead? there's alot of them around here and they're made by the first nations. Would have been a bit more correct in location terms. But whatever, we have what we have. and the majority hates it, just like the Mascots. |
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