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Post by FNS on Sept 29, 2009 17:43:23 GMT -8
Does the originator of this thread want to go back and edit the first-post, to change the thread-title to something more accurate? (I recall changing a BC thread from "open house" to "open ship" at someone's request.... ). Just change the subject line in post #1, and then it will be re-set for all future posts. But you still have to determine what the new class name should be, which I suppose is our own forum's working title (which might be a fluid thing). Done! The new title " WSF 64-Car Ferries Construction Photos" will remain through the end of the project, even though these may get a class designation soon. I have closed the use of the term "Island Home-Class" as this won't be used anymore as the designator, as read in sources recently. The moderators can fix the heading of the repliers, if desired, on this thread. Thanks for the suggestion, "Flugel Horn".
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Post by SS San Mateo on Oct 7, 2009 8:14:19 GMT -8
New ferry may get S'Klallam chief's nameseattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010012912_ferryname07m.htmlThe new 64-car ferry that will connect Port Townsend with Whidbey Island next summer may carry the name Chetzemoka, after a chief of the Jamestown S'Klallam tribe on the Olympic Peninsula. By Susan Gilmore Seattle Times staff reporter The new 64-car ferry that will connect Port Townsend with Whidbey Island next summer may carry the name, Chetzemoka, named after a chief of the Jamestown S'Klallam tribe on the Olympic Peninsula. The name, pronounced Chet-za-mocha, has been submitted to the state Transportation Commission by Port Townsend officials, who say it's a way to honor a man who preached peace. Todd Pacific Shipyards is building the new boat. The boat needs to be named by the end of the month, or it could cost $10,000 more to name it later. Todd said if it wasn't named this month it would have to put a place-holder on the vessel and go back later and paint on the name, adding to the cost. "It's really nice to be recognized. He is one of the big people known around here," said Eric Adams, a tourism liaison with the S'Klallam tribe, which has about 500 members. The proposal will go to the commission Oct. 20, and Les Prince, head of the Jamestown S'Klallam Tribe and great-great grandson of Chetzemoka will attend. "It's kind of neat to have something named after your great-great-grandfather," said Prince, who lives in Sequim. "They have to name them (ferries) after someone and I appreciate it." Adams said Chetzemoka was known as a peacemaker and friend to the early settlers and has a park named after him in Port Townsend, the city's first park, built in 1904. He said the chief's real name was T'chits-a-ma-hun, but nobody could pronounce it so he became Chetzemoka. The chief lived from 1808 to 1888. In 1857, said Adams, there was a gathering of tribal leaders who proposed to drive the white settlers out of the region. The debate was whether to kill the settlers or spare their lives. Chetzemoka argued for peace and every day he went to Sentinel Rock near Sequim and signaled to the settlers with his blanket the course of the debate. On the 10th day he stood up, threw off his blanket and shouted that the danger had passed and the threat of war was over. The settlers were so grateful they installed a bronze plaque on Sentinel Rock to commemorate the 10 days of signals. JoAnn Bussa, a trustee of the Jefferson County Historical Society, said Chetzemoka is the only name Port Townsend has submitted for the new ferry. The three members of the Port Townsend Commission agreed. "The history of Jefferson County should be taken into consideration when selecting a name for the new vessel," said the commissioners in a letter to David Moseley, head of the ferry system, who will not be involved in the naming decision. If the transportation commission agrees to name the new ferry Chetzemoka, it won't be the first boat named after the tribal chief. According to ferry historian Steve Pickens, a boat called the Golden Poppy was moved to Puget Sound from California in 1938, was reconditioned, repainted and renamed Chetzemoka and worked the Port Townsend-Edmonds run. The 240-foot wooden, diesel-electric boat worked the route until 1947 when the boat, nicknamed the Chetzy, was moved to the Columbia Beach-Mukilteo run where it remained until Washington State Ferries took over ferry operations. She later moved to the San Juan Islands. Her last season was 1973, when she worked as the Sunday-only ferry on the Vashon route. The boat was sold in 1975 for $16,000 to a California investor who planned to turn her into a shopping center moored along the San Francisco waterfront. But she sank under tow while on the way down. She's in about 235 feet of water nine miles off LaPush. Susan Gilmore: 206-464-2054 or sgilmore@seattletimes.com
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Post by Kahloke on Oct 7, 2009 8:19:48 GMT -8
That would be awesome if she is named Chetzemoka! And, good for Steve, a.k.a. EGFleet, for having some of his historical ferry research quoted in the article - well done. Go Chetzy!
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Post by Freeland on Oct 12, 2009 14:07:51 GMT -8
Here are today's pictures at Nichols Bros ( Oct 12 09) They had the gate open so I took a few picture. They were bringing in a Passenger Ferry in for repair work. They were moving a canopy over since the weather is going to changing. I am going to guess this is passenger deck, but I could be wrong ?? ) www.kodakgallery.com/gallery/creativeapps/slideShow/Main.jsp?token=103092499210:1720406099Emory at Freeland [simultanious moderator edit, to delete Emory's correction and instead just modify his original. Edit done free(land) of charge]
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Post by FNS on Oct 12, 2009 14:57:46 GMT -8
Thanks for the photos! Yes, the modules you are seeing are definitely of the new ferry. That should be End Number One you see on those photos. That upside down number 32 probably refers to the frame number. If that's the case, this segment may be the one that'll have the wheelhouse mounted. Here is a capture from the NBB webcam today:
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Post by Freeland on Oct 12, 2009 15:36:57 GMT -8
Thanks for the come back on my photo's. I go pass the shipyard partically every day on the way to Payless and Post Office. Today I did not have my camera, so I drove home and got it. I thought for sure they would close the road when I got back. Maybe they were waiting for high or low tide to bring the Bay Area Passenger Ferry out of the water. Emory @ Freeland
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Post by Barnacle on Oct 13, 2009 3:56:54 GMT -8
Actually, if that's frame 32 we're looking at (and no idea if it is or isn't), then wouldn't it be sixteen-frame units? (Which sticks sticks out in my mind as being more in accord with steel shipbuilding tradition--I seem to recall a lot of 'divisible by four' stuff from class...)
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Post by whidbeyislandguy on Oct 13, 2009 11:19:10 GMT -8
Actually, if that's frame 32 we're looking at (and no idea if it is or isn't), then wouldn't it be sixteen-frame units? (Which sticks sticks out in my mind as being more in accord with steel shipbuilding tradition--I seem to recall a lot of 'divisible by four' stuff from class...) Yes it would be.. Good eye Barnacle.
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Post by SS San Mateo on Oct 13, 2009 12:08:45 GMT -8
WSDOT Ferries Division awards bid to construct additional 64-car ferrieswww.wsdot.wa.gov/News/2009/10/64Bid_101309.htmDate: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 Contact: Marta Coursey, Director of Communications, 206-515-3918 SEATTLE – Washington State Department of Transportation’s Ferries Division (WSF) announced today, Oct. 13, that it is awarding a contract to Todd Pacific Shipyards to build two additional 64-car ferries. Todd Shipyards submitted a $114 million bid on Thursday, October 8 to build two more 64-car ferries. With the contract award, Todd will begin constructing the second and third ferries in this new class of vessels. WSF awarded a contract to Todd to construct the first 64-car ferry in December 2008. That vessel is under construction and scheduled to go into service on the Port Townsend/Keystone route in late-summer 2010. “This contract award is expected to sustain nearly 400 family wage jobs.” said. Gov. Chris Gregoire. “These locally built ferries will improve the reliability of auto-passenger ferry service to the communities they will serve.” The timeline for vessel construction is approximately 20 months each for the second and third vessels. WSF must exercise the option to construct the third vessel in the contract, the fourth overall, no later than May 31, 2011. The fourth vessel would be either a 64-car ferry or 144-car ferry depending on the availability of funds. “This is an important next step in the process of replacing our aging fleet and improving the safety of our ferry system.” Washington Transportation Secretary Paula Hammond said. “While the question remains on how to fund the ferry system for the long term, I am pleased that we are able to proceed with construction of these much needed ferries.” These additional 64-car ferries will be similar in design to the one currently under construction with capacity for up to 750 passengers. The next steps include a signed contract and contract security returned from Todd Shipyards. Once those documents are received, the state will issue a notice to proceed with construction. "I greatly appreciate the Governor’s leadership as we move forward on the ambitious construction of these new vessels." said David Moseley, Assistant Secretary, WSDOT Ferries Division. "Constructing these ferries brings us closer to creating a ferry system that meets the needs of our customers throughout Puget Sound.” # # # WSDOT keeps people, businesses and the economy moving by operating and improving the state's transportation systems. To learn more about what we're doing, go to www.wsdot.wa.gov/news for pictures, videos, news and blogs. Real time traffic information is available at www.wsdot.wa.gov/traffic or by dialing 5-1-1.
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Post by Kahloke on Oct 15, 2009 8:52:59 GMT -8
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Post by FNS on Oct 16, 2009 15:33:21 GMT -8
WSF released four new photos on October 15. One shows more of the hull being built, pipework, the fine lines, and a barge-full load of modules from Everett (some removed already). This week, we go outside to see the modules and let you mouse your way on the WSF site for the others. Vessel assemblies arrive from EverettWSF photo taken on October 1, 2009. Steel assemblies from Everett Shipyard being offloaded at Todd Pacific Shipyards in Seattle for construction of the curtain plate mezzanine of WSDOT's first new 64-car ferry.We now go up to Freeland and see that they have begun work on the structures on the Sun Deck.
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Post by FNS on Oct 20, 2009 17:17:33 GMT -8
IT'S OFFICIAL,WE ARE GETTING A NEW CHETZEMOKA!*** *** *** FROM THE PENINSULA DAILY NEWS: peninsuladailynews.com/article/20091020/NEWS/910209997A ferry named Chetzemoka will sail Port Townsend waters again10/20/09 OLYMPIA -- The campaign to name the Port Townsend-Keystone ferry now under construction after Chetzemoka, the Klallam chief who befriended 19th century settlers, was won today when the state Transportation Commission agreed to the idea. The 64-car ferry is currently being built at Todd Pacific Shipyards in Seattle. The Chetzemoka will be the first new Washington State Ferry to go into service in a decade. But it won't be the first ferry to carry the name of the Klallam chief. The first Chetzemoka sailed under private ownership between Port Townsend and Edmonds from 1938 to 1947. A campaign led by the Jefferson County Historical Society to name the new ferry Chetzemoka was mounted over the summer. Last modified: October 20. 2009 5:06PM *** *** *** FROM THE SEATTLE TIMES: seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010102374_webchetzy21m.html?syndication=rssNew ferry to be called ChetzemokaBy Seattle Times staff The Washington Transportation Commission has named the new ferry that will run between Port Townsend and Keystone the Chetzemoka, after a Jamestown S'Kallam chief who preached peace. It was the only name submitted to the commission, which approved it today. The new 64-car ferry is to be finished in June by Todd Pacific Shipyards of Seattle. The name is pronounced Chet-za-mocha. The chief of the S'Kallam tribe, on the Olympic Peninsula, lived from 1808 to 1888. JoAnn Bussa, a trustee of the Jefferson County Historical Society, said Chetzemoka is the only name Port Townsend submitted for the new ferry. It's not the first boat named after the tribal chief. According to ferry historian Steve Pickens, a boat called the Golden Poppy was moved to Puget Sound from California in 1938, was reconditioned, repainted and renamed Chetzemoka and worked the Port Townsend-Edmonds run, and others, until it sank when it was being moved to California. *** *** ***
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Post by BreannaF on Oct 21, 2009 1:04:02 GMT -8
The two bits of info in this story that are actually new are 1) the fact that the name choice is now official, nad 2) the last sentence in the story. From the Kitsap Sun: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newest Ferry to Be Named for 19th Century Jamestown S’Klallam ChiefBy Ed Friedrich Tuesday, October 20, 2009 OLYMPIA — Chetzemoka will sail again from Port Townsend. The Washington State Transportation Commission agreed Tuesday that the first new 64-car ferry should be named after the former chief of the Jamestown S’Klallam Tribe known for befriending white settlers of the Olympic Peninsula. The boat, which is being built by Todd Pacific Shipyards in Seattle, will take over the Port Townsend-Keystone route next summer. It will be the second ferry by that name to serve Port Townsend. The first Chetzemoka worked the Port Townsend-Edmonds route from 1938 to 1947. Les Prince, Chetzemoka’s great-great grandson, and his wife Betty, of Sequim, were in Olympia on Tuesday when the commission adopted the name. According to the resolution the commission adopted, the name “honors the natives of the region and their seafaring skills and traditions and also continues the proud name of the historic ferry that served Port Townsend.” “It’s always good to have your family recognized that way,” said Prince, one of Chetzemoka’s few direct descendants and chairman of the tribe’s elders committee. Prince told the commissioners that, “If the old chief were here today, he’d look out at the boat, raise his hands and say, ‘Ha’ non-son, Ha’ non-son,’ which means ‘Thank you, thank you.’” Last fall, Steve Levin asked JoAnn Bussa, his colleague on the Jefferson County Historical Society board, if she’d help him promote the name. Levin died in December, and Bussa took the baton “in his memory and because of our agreement,” she said Tuesday. She got the backing of the historical society, then took the idea to Prince and the tribe two months ago. They wholeheartedly endorsed it. Then she got the Jefferson County commissioners, local legislators, city of Port Townsend, ferry advisory committee and community members on board. “I can hardly wait until we all stand together and christen her and go for a ride,” Bussa said. Levin had a life preserver ring from the original Chetzemoka ferry that will be donated to the new ferry in the chief’s memory. Chief Chetzemoka was buried in 1888 at the age of about 80 at Laurel Grove Cemetery in Port Townsend. A park in the town bears his name. He is remembered for his peaceful relations and diplomacy with the white setters and explorers, including in 1857 when he went against other tribal leaders who wanted to drive them out of the area. The original ferry Chetzemoka remained in the fleet until 1973, when it was on the Vashon run. It was sold in 1975 for $16,000 to a Californian who planned to turn it into a shopping center on the San Francisco waterfront. While being towed there, it sank nine miles off LaPush. The state recently awarded Todd a contract to build two more 64-car ferries. The second will serve Port Townsend-Keystone during the busy half of the year, beginning in Summer 2011, and the third will go to the Point Defiance-Tahlequah route the following summer. Commissioners suggested Tuesday that the second boat be named after a Native American from Whidbey Island history and the third for one from Vashon Island.
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Post by FNS on Oct 27, 2009 19:19:35 GMT -8
TUESDAY, OCTOBER 27, 2009 WSF has released eleven new photos today. I'll present two of what they have released. Todd is now installing Everett's contribution aboard what is now named MV CHETZEMOKA. These pieces are of the starboard side with the Bike Deck. Curtain plate sections installedWSF photo taken on October 23, 2009. No. 1 end of WSDOT's first new 64-car ferry with starboard curtain plate sections (side of vessel) installed mid-ship. The vessel is under construction at Todd Pacific Shipyards in Seattle.Vehicle deckWSF photo taken on October 23, 2009. Vehicle Deck, port side, No. 1 end of WSDOT's first new 64-car ferry, under construction at Todd Pacific Shipyards in Seattle.We now take a trip up to Freeland and see the latest webcam capture of their contribution. The central core is taking shape. Oh, yes, their truck has to take time out for some maintenance. I can now fill in some of the installed pieces on the progress chart below.
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Post by uricanejack on Oct 29, 2009 14:01:44 GMT -8
Hi
Just curious why are Washingtons New Ferries being called 64. is it 64 car capacity I thought the drawings looked bigger.
Thanks Uricane Jack
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Post by SS San Mateo on Oct 29, 2009 14:17:19 GMT -8
Hi Just curious why are Washingtons New Ferries being called 64. is it 64 car capacity I thought the drawings looked bigger. Thanks Uricane Jack It's probably because there hasn't been an official class name given to the new boats (WSF refers to the next 2 (possibly 3) boats as the "B Class" and they were refered to here as the "Island Home Class" at one time). They may look bigger in the drawing, but they have only 5 lanes instead of the standard 7 or 8 lanes.
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Post by Kahloke on Oct 29, 2009 14:23:32 GMT -8
Hi Just curious why are Washingtons New Ferries being called 64. is it 64 car capacity I thought the drawings looked bigger. Thanks Uricane Jack It's probably because there hasn't been an official class name given to the new boats (WSF refers to the next 2 (possibly 3) boats as the "B Class" and they were refered to here as the "Island Home Class" at one time). They may look bigger in the drawing, but they have only 5 lanes instead of the standard 7 or 8 lanes. Actually, they have 6 lanes of traffic. And, to answer uricanejack: yes, the vessels have a capacity of 64 cars. San Mateo is probably correct, however, in that the name currently being applied to the class is most likely a working name until WSF comes up with something better.
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Post by Barnacle on Oct 29, 2009 15:54:09 GMT -8
Actually, they have 6 lanes of traffic. I initially took exception to this, but apparently it's true. Somehow I missed that change... only one stairwell at each end? I thought we'd gotten away from that idea for evacuation purposes. I hope they ballast her correctly to make it easy to load on an even keel...
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Post by FNS on Oct 29, 2009 16:41:38 GMT -8
Since this thread is quite active today, I thought I would add another progress photo! NICHOLS BROTHERS UNVEIL THE WHEELHOUSESAnd, they're painted, too (mostly, that is)!Also, we can see more of the central core. The big hole you see on the Saloon Deck is the galley. It would be good to have food service back on the Keystone run. If you have forgotten, NB's webcam is at: www2.whidbey.net/nichols/image003.jpgActually, they have 6 lanes of traffic. I initially took exception to this, but apparently it's true. Somehow I missed that change... only one stairwell at each end? I thought we'd gotten away from that idea for evacuation purposes. I hope they ballast her correctly to make it easy to load on an even keel... There will be stairways on the other side. Bike Deck to the Main Deck. You can access the Bike Deck from the Saloon Deck as well.
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Post by Kahloke on Oct 29, 2009 18:52:09 GMT -8
There will be stairways on the other side. Bike Deck to the Main Deck. You can access the Bike Deck from the Saloon Deck as well. I was going to say the same thing, but you beat me to it. In this way, it will be just like Island Home, although Chetzemoka will be getting a little bicycle ramp next to the stairway so people can walk their bikes up the stairs into that saddle lounge that will become the bicycle holding area. access to saddle lounge on Island Home
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Post by Barnacle on Oct 30, 2009 8:19:19 GMT -8
Also, we can see more of the central core. The big hole you see on the Saloon Deck is the galley. It would be good to have food service back on the Keystone run. I hate to be a perpetual wet blanket, but just because the boats are equipped with galleys doesn't mean that they're going to be operated on the Port Townsend-Keystone run. After all, the Steel-Electrics had perfectly functional galleys that didn't have anything in them but dust because the vendors didn't want to lose that much money. Given that the boats are scheduled to run at PTK, PDT, and maybe in a pinch the interisland, I can't see why the boats are receiving galleys at all. I really gotta take a closer look at those plans... I'm still not convinced that the Bike Gallery is a necessity, but I for one would be glad to have them off the car deck.
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Post by old_wsf_fan on Oct 30, 2009 16:16:43 GMT -8
It is not difficult or at least it should not be. I do not think Blackball ever had a problem naming vessels. I think WSF should continue using previous vessel names. My thoughts on the second vessel name is using "Klahanie" and maybe "Leschi" for the third.
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Post by old_wsf_fan on Oct 30, 2009 16:22:07 GMT -8
Do we really have to name the vessel for the area that it is going to serve?
I don't think in the past it mattered. I strongly am in favor of keeping the tradition of using Native American names, just not naming a given vessel a "local" name when in theory that vessel should be able to serve any run.
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Post by Barnacle on Oct 30, 2009 17:09:29 GMT -8
"Leschi" is already the name of the new fireboat for the Seattle Fire Department, as we've hinted, mentioned, explained and repeated ad nauseam. No dice on that--we don't need two boats with the same name talking on the radio, especially if there's an emergency on.
I say if Coupeville can come up with a relevant and auspicious name, bring it on.
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Post by FNS on Nov 2, 2009 19:07:44 GMT -8
Welcome to November! WSF released five more pictures to us ferry fans today (11-02-2009). We get to see the bow for the first time. Also, an engine has been lowered into place. I'll present three of what WSF released. But, first, we'll take a look at Nichols contribution. We see more of the central core now. Vessel end sectionWSF photo taken on October 28, 2009. Transporting one of the hull ends of the Chetzemoka to the steel shop at Todd Pacific Shipyards in Seattle.Lifting main engine for #2 endWSF photo taken on October 29, 2009. Lifting the main engine for the #2 end of the Chetzemoka, under construction at Todd Pacific Shipyards in Seattle.Setting main engine #2 on foundationWSF photo taken on October 29, 2009. Setting one of the two main engines for the Chetzemoka, under construction at Todd Pacific Shipyards in Seattle.It is nice that they are using the name CHETZEMOKA on their captions now. Let's take a look into Todd Shipyard's safety department. We see safety signs around this facility. I picked out two. SAFETY QUALITY PRODUCTIVITYTHINK before you act!PREVENTION is the first step of safety.And, don't forget your "noggin boppers"!I get that term from the late Mr. Winn Bagley, former demonstrating engineer, Str BERKELEY, San Diego Maritime Museum, San Diego.
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