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Post by Dane on Oct 21, 2012 10:10:58 GMT -8
More wear and tear? That seems bizarre given the balanced schedule they ran on until the third vessel joined.
I am curious how the solicitation for bids is going for the second SeaBus? I cannot open TransLink stuff on my phone, which I am on now, because of complex coding no other website seems to require!
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Post by lmtengs on Oct 21, 2012 13:09:08 GMT -8
Agree as both were placed into service at the same time with opposite reciprocating schedules which have been in place since the Pacific Breeze came in. The retirement has nothing to do with one of the ferries scraping the dock during the Olympics, that could happen anytime. I know that one minor incident wouldn't make much of an issue, if any, but if one vessel had 'bad luck' over time, maybe she developed more issues, or had more dock hits (this was no little scrape, we plowed right into the structure next to the berth). One dock hit, if big enough, could damage the ship so much as to render it a little bit less responsive than the other boat. Also, if one of the SeaBuses experienced an accident or whatnot in the past and had parts replaced, then maybe that Seabus would be the one to be kept, because maybe it has newer parts that are better than the older parts on the other SeaBus. |
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Post by Dane on Oct 21, 2012 13:27:03 GMT -8
There is no need to hope, unless the project is cancelled it is already underway...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2012 13:47:42 GMT -8
There is no need to hope, unless the project is cancelled it is already underway... What project are we talking about, a new SeaBus like the Burrard Pacific Breeze to retire the Burrard Otter or upgrading both of the original SeaBuses, the Burrard Otter and the Burrard Beaver? |
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Post by lmtengs on Oct 21, 2012 14:37:32 GMT -8
There is no need to hope, unless the project is cancelled it is already underway... What project are we talking about, a new SeaBus like the Burrard Pacific Breeze to retire the Burrard Otter or upgrading both of the original SeaBuses, the Burrard Otter and the Burrard Beaver? Building another new SeaBus vessel to replace the Otter. I believe there's a document posted somewhere in the back pages of this thread about it. |
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Post by lmtengs on Oct 21, 2012 18:20:40 GMT -8
The Seabuses are not "unibody" as current cars are, so responsiveness isn't an issue. What happens is just the plating around the impact area up to and including the immediate area where there are no bends or dints are replaced. Unless the Seabus ground onto the rocks, there wouldn't be much of a handling problem unless somehow the hull was twisted out of shape below the waterline. Or if that affected the skegs, etc. there was, the shafts would be replaced and rebalanced along with new bearings, wheels, etc. After that, she's tested for responsiveness testing within acceptable limits +/- some accepted variations. Parts are pretty much constant, as unlike cars, parts for machinery has a much longer parts life as machinery is not turned over as much as cars are. Even though they haven't been made for more than 15 years, it is still easy to get parts for a Detroit Diesel 12V-71. Parts are regularly replaced over time with newer ones as the originals wear out. So, both would be pretty much parallel in that regard. Not sure you get my point. If one of the boats has been patched up, re-welded, re-tooled, and screwed around with more than the other, it's obviously going to be less reliable than the one that hasn't been messed around with as much. If the SeaBus were to ram into a freighter in Burrard Inlet in thick fog and the hull was to burst/break/snap/bend, would it rupture on a weld-line or in the middle of your standard piece of metal? On the weld line, most likely, since it would be a weak spot in the structure of the ship. Even though ships aren't just like cars, you can't always make them 'good as new' after certain incidents. Just like the Queen of Victoria. After her incident with the Russian freighter in Active Pass, it's well known that her crews said that she 'just didn't handle as well'. It's only logical that it would be the same deal with a SeaBus vessel. TransLink would keep the vessel in the best condition, with the least bumps and bruises. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2012 20:15:14 GMT -8
Maybe, they waiting a few years to start on the second Pacific Breeze just to get a fewer more years out of the Burrard Otter! By the way, while this lead to three boat service in the future because they have two new SeaBuses and the Burrard Beaver?
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Post by lmtengs on Oct 21, 2012 20:26:34 GMT -8
Maybe, they waiting a few years to start on the second Pacific Breeze just to get a fewer more years out of the Burrard Otter! By the way, while this lead to three boat service in the future because they have two new SeaBuses and the Burrard Beaver? They already run three-boat service during peak periods. |
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Post by Dane on Oct 21, 2012 21:17:28 GMT -8
When are they running three boats?
I am out of touch obviously lol
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Post by ferryfanyvr on Oct 21, 2012 22:12:39 GMT -8
When are they running three boats? I am out of touch obviously lol There is 3 boat SeaBus service during various events that result in increased traffic. The most recent time I can think of was the Caribbean Festival on the North Van waterfront this past summer. |
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Post by Nick on Oct 22, 2012 11:33:04 GMT -8
If one of the boats has been patched up, re-welded, re-tooled, and screwed around with more than the other, it's obviously going to be less reliable than the one that hasn't been messed around with as much. If the SeaBus were to ram into a freighter in Burrard Inlet in thick fog and the hull was to burst/break/snap/bend, would it rupture on a weld-line or in the middle of your standard piece of metal? On the weld line, most likely, since it would be a weak spot in the structure of the ship. Even though ships aren't just like cars, you can't always make them 'good as new' after certain incidents. Just like the Queen of Victoria. After her incident with the Russian freighter in Active Pass, it's well known that her crews said that she 'just didn't handle as well'. It's only logical that it would be the same deal with a SeaBus vessel.
TransLink would keep the vessel in the best condition, with the least bumps and bruises. In a word, no. I'm not a welder. I'll say that flat out. However, I have done a little bit of welding, and had some instruction in it, and I can stick pieces of metal together fairly well. If it's done correctly, a weld is as strong or stronger than the parent material. As long as the heat zone guidelines have been followed, and it hasn't been overheated in the welding process. This will set up thermal stresses and create brittle zones. But, like I said, if it's done right and the metal is treated properly before and after the welding is done, the weld will be as strong as the original steel. Often when a piece of machinery has to be taken out of a ship, they just cut a hole in the side or a deck, lift the engine or whatever out, and then weld the piece back in again, no harm done. This was done on the V-class when they were re-engined in the early 80s. You could still see the welds on the car deck if you looked carefully enough. If the welding weakened the structure, we wouldn't be allowed to do this without TC or classification society approval. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2012 18:09:49 GMT -8
Why was the Burrard Otter operating today as the only boat? Is the Burrard Pacific Breeze the main vessel? Why would translink choose to operate the Burrard otter instead of the Burrard Pacific Breeze today?
Is the Burrard Beaver getting a refit?
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Post by lmtengs on Oct 28, 2012 19:50:56 GMT -8
Why was the Burrard Otter operating today as the only boat? Is the Burrard Pacific Breeze the main vessel? Why would translink choose to operate the Burrard otter instead of the Burrard Pacific Breeze today? Is the Burrard Beaver getting a refit? And why did today have to the one day this season that I rode the SeaBus...? Half-hour service SUCKS. |
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Post by Mike C on Oct 28, 2012 19:56:17 GMT -8
Why was the Burrard Otter operating today as the only boat? Is the Burrard Pacific Breeze the main vessel? Why would translink choose to operate the Burrard otter instead of the Burrard Pacific Breeze today? Is the Burrard Beaver getting a refit? And why did today have to the one day this season that I rode the SeaBus...? Half-hour service SUCKS. I will say it before and I will say it again: TransLink operates all three SeaBus vessels equally. Meaning they each see the same amount of service. So seeing the Otter on the run is just as likely as seeing the Beaver or Breeze. Due to Winter schedule, TransLink operates the SeaBus at a 30 minute frequency. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2012 20:05:04 GMT -8
And why did today have to the one day this season that I rode the SeaBus...? Half-hour service SUCKS. I will say it before and I will say it again: TransLink operates all three SeaBus vessels equally. Meaning they each see the same amount of service. So seeing the Otter on the run is just as likely as seeing the Beaver or Breeze. So, they switch the vessel everyday for the 30 minute frequency? Which is good! Does it get increased for summer schedule? |
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Post by Mike C on Oct 28, 2012 23:57:46 GMT -8
I will say it before and I will say it again: TransLink operates all three SeaBus vessels equally. Meaning they each see the same amount of service. So seeing the Otter on the run is just as likely as seeing the Beaver or Breeze. So, they switch the vessel everyday for the 30 minute frequency? Which is good! Does it get increased for summer schedule? I am not aware if there is any specific pattern at all (I have never paid attention as I just don't care all that much). I just know that each of the vessels see very similar service hours to one another. I definitely agree that is a good thing. The 15 minute frequency on Sundays will resume on the May long weekend, as it does every year, and will continue until Labour Day (someone please correct me if I'm wrong on those dates). |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2012 10:02:17 GMT -8
So, they switch the vessel everyday for the 30 minute frequency? Which is good! Does it get increased for summer schedule? I am not aware if there is any specific pattern at all (I have never paid attention as I just don't care all that much). I just know that each of the vessels see very similar service hours to one another. I definitely agree that is a good thing. The 15 minute frequency on Sundays will resume on the May long weekend, as it does every year, and will continue until Labour Day (someone please correct me if I'm wrong on those dates). The frequency on Sundays seems good enough, although it could start earlier, especially in the Summer. 8:02 am seems a bit late for the first seabus. A 7:02 am start year round would be good. (Says a Sunshine Coaster... could Vancouverites chime in?) And a note to Mr. Viking: Try coming to the Sunshine Coast before saying 30-minute service sucks. We're lucky if there's a bus 30 minutes later.  ...and i'm not going to get into the discussion about the difference in population. My point here is enjoy what you have now. |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Oct 30, 2012 8:25:47 GMT -8
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Post by glasseye on Oct 30, 2012 18:26:29 GMT -8
Seabus is a supplemental part of the greater Vancouver transit network rather than a sole lifeline without alternative. While Seabus starts at 8am on Sunday, bus service over both the Lions Gate and Ironworkers bridges starts at 6am 7 days a week. The bridges are open to cars, bikes, and pedestrians 24/7.
In short, Late Seabus starts, infrequent service, and limited hours aren't a problem even for people who don't have access to a vehicle.
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Post by Mike C on Oct 30, 2012 18:34:10 GMT -8
Seabus is a supplemental part of the greater Vancouver transit network rather than a sole lifeline without alternative. While Seabus starts at 8am on Sunday, bus service over both the Lions Gate and Ironworkers bridges starts at 6am 7 days a week. The bridges are open to cars, bikes, and pedestrians 24/7. In short, Late Seabus starts, infrequent service, and limited hours aren't a problem even for people who don't have access to a vehicle. There is even 24 hour NightBus service that runs between Downtown Vancouver, Lonsdale Quay and Upper Lonsdale, so there is massive redundancy for the SeaBus, at all hours of the day. So much so, that the SeaBus is only quick for people who are traveling directly between the Lower Lonsdale neighbourhood and Downtown Vancouver. All other areas of North Vancouver are served by bus services that either connect with or travel directly into Downtown. |
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Post by Cable Cassidy on Oct 30, 2012 18:39:52 GMT -8
Seabus is a supplemental part of the greater Vancouver transit network rather than a sole lifeline without alternative. While Seabus starts at 8am on Sunday, bus service over both the Lions Gate and Ironworkers bridges starts at 6am 7 days a week. The bridges are open to cars, bikes, and pedestrians 24/7. In short, Late Seabus starts, infrequent service, and limited hours aren't a problem even for people who don't have access to a vehicle. There is even 24 hour NightBus service that runs between Downtown Vancouver, Lonsdale Quay and Upper Lonsdale, so there is massive redundancy for the SeaBus, at all hours of the day. So much so, that the SeaBus is only quick for people who are traveling directly between the Lower Lonsdale neighbourhood and Downtown Vancouver. All other areas of North Vancouver are served by bus services that either connect with or travel directly into Downtown. No matter what is said you can't deny that the Seabus doesn't play a major part in transportation out of the North Shore. When bridges close, what still floats?  Chris Cassidy |
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Post by Mike C on Oct 30, 2012 19:08:45 GMT -8
There is even 24 hour NightBus service that runs between Downtown Vancouver, Lonsdale Quay and Upper Lonsdale, so there is massive redundancy for the SeaBus, at all hours of the day. So much so, that the SeaBus is only quick for people who are traveling directly between the Lower Lonsdale neighbourhood and Downtown Vancouver. All other areas of North Vancouver are served by bus services that either connect with or travel directly into Downtown. No matter what is said you can't deny that the Seabus doesn't play a major part in transportation out of the North Shore. When bridges close, what still floats? Chris Cassidy That's for sure - I wasn't trying to downplay its importance, but redundancy is not a luxury available to those ferry-reliant communities, unless we put the SoVI to use in the off-season and wedged it between Whytecliffe and Bowen as a bridge... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2012 19:10:14 GMT -8
I would much other take the SeaBus rather than take a bus to the North Shore or to downtown Vancouver.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2012 20:35:25 GMT -8
Will translink upgrade the Burrard Otter like with a translink new livery and a new interior? I think they should because it would save a couple of million and that couple of million could go to the three boat service on the route.
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Post by Mike C on Nov 20, 2012 22:46:22 GMT -8
Will translink upgrade the Burrard Otter like with a translink new livery and a new interior? I think they should because it would save a couple of million and that couple of million could go to the three boat service on the route. I very highly doubt it. With talks about another new boat, that will likely retire the Otter. I think by repainting the Beaver, they have made their choice as to which one will be picked off if a new SeaBus were to arrive. |
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