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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2012 9:41:20 GMT -8
I think Translink will need to go with Bombardier for the next Skytrain cars. What do you mean by "will need"? Legislative requirement? Legal / contractual requirement? Lack of any other available suppliers? Why " the Bomber" ? - haha, back when I had some of the Bomber in my stock portfolio, I'd have been happy to see this comment, to push up the stock price....[/quote]Because all the cars on the Skytrain are from them. |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 25, 2012 9:46:50 GMT -8
Because all the cars on the Skytrain are from them. Ok, so why would Skytrain need to continue to purchase their cars from Bombardier? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2012 9:50:27 GMT -8
Because all the cars on the Skytrain are from them. Ok, so why would Skytrain need to continue to purchase their cars from Bombardier? For maintenance on the new cars. If they have two different company making the Skytrain cars the maintenance costs will go up because they would need more people to fix the cars. |
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Dec 25, 2012 11:22:17 GMT -8
Because all the cars on the Skytrain are from them. Ok, so why would Skytrain need to continue to purchase their cars from Bombardier? I believe this is due to Bombardier owning the Linear-Induction Motor technology. In order for them to be compatible with the current Millenium line guideway, they locked themselves into the technology. Canada line however is open season due to it utilizing standard 3rd power rail and normal motors. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2012 11:47:15 GMT -8
A few random thoughts in no particular order: - I just recalled Translink's second to last major procurement of equipment was from outside of Canada; the Canada Line cars. Additionally there are strong rumours the next Sky Train cars will be from out of country. The Canada Line was very strongly driven by the BC Government vice Translink, but nonetheless the SeaBus doesn't represent new behavior. This isn't a justification, just an observation. Bombardier has already been selected to supply the next Skytrain cars. |
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Post by Dane on Dec 25, 2012 13:40:10 GMT -8
But not to build them in Canada... I didn't say anything about the company, that was the Cheese. I will look into this tomorrow a bit. Right now I am just avoiding work lol
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Post by Kahloke on Dec 26, 2012 13:39:24 GMT -8
The Canada Line cars were built in Korea and are of a different design, being wider. The reason for that is because the Canada Line was configured to be the primary connector to YVR (with Richmond Centre being a spur) as as such, the cars are wider to accomodate baggage and more passengers/car than the Mark II and earlier made ALRT cars. I like the Canada Line cars - so much roomier than the LINK Trains that run between Sea-Tac Airport and downtown Seattle. I've only ridden on the Canada Line once, but it is a much better design than what Sound Transit used for their Light Rail trains. |
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Post by Dane on Dec 26, 2012 14:00:34 GMT -8
I haven't looked for the answer yet, if it is even known. The critical difference between the next Sky Train cars and those in service is that the patents are no longer valid and competition is possible. Paul's point about facilities in Ontario could certainly apply, but in the grander scheme there are a lot of facilities like what is required and they are reasonably cheap to build. While this thread is dragged off topic, my fault, far too much already - it is funny to note in a global world while Korea built our Canada Line cars, Bombardier in Ontario built cars for a Korean project very short thereafter.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2013 16:19:10 GMT -8
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Post by WettCoast on Jan 13, 2013 21:57:44 GMT -8
About a month ago we were discussing the idea of an alternate fuel seaBus, even an all electric powered vessel. The feedback here was not very receptive to the idea, but apparently an all electric car ferry will soon see service in Norway. www.gizmag.com/norway-electric-car-ferry/25756/ From the linked web page... |
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Post by Mike C on Jan 14, 2013 12:56:03 GMT -8
As an aside, I've been noticing pretty consistently that the Otter has not been appearing in service. As well, her AIS has been turned off. I am thinking that this vessel has been sidelined for relief service only, as we have long predicted.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2013 17:54:24 GMT -8
As an aside, I've been noticing pretty consistently that the Otter has not been appearing in service. As well, her AIS has been turned off. I am thinking that this vessel has been sidelined for relief service only, as we have long predicted. What makes you say that? |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 14, 2013 18:48:26 GMT -8
Help us out AC. Which part are you questioning? As an aside, I've been noticing pretty consistently that the Otter has not been appearing in service. or As well, her AIS has been turned off or I am thinking that this vessel has been sidelined for relief service only or as we have long predicted. Or some or all of the above? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2013 18:52:08 GMT -8
As an aside, I've been noticing pretty consistently that the Otter has not been appearing in service. What makes you say that? |
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Post by Mike C on Jan 14, 2013 18:54:37 GMT -8
As an aside, I've been noticing pretty consistently that the Otter has not been appearing in service. What makes you say that? Uh, the fact that she hasn't been appearing in service... |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 14, 2013 18:56:18 GMT -8
As an aside, I've been noticing pretty consistently that the Otter has not been appearing in service. What makes you say that? I'm guessing that the reason for Mr. Mileage's comment is his observations of the Seabus, over a period of recent time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2013 19:23:14 GMT -8
Uh, the fact that she hasn't been appearing in service... Maybe, the Burrard Otter is in less service since Dec 17th, 2012 compared to when Translink painted Burrard Beaver, in June 7, 2012 to December 17th, 2012. |
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Post by Mike C on Jan 15, 2013 1:12:17 GMT -8
FH: thanks for clarifying. Uh, the fact that she hasn't been appearing in service... Maybe, the Burrard Otter is in less service since Dec 17th, 2012 compared to when Translink painted Burrard Beaver, in June 7, 2012 to December 17th, 2012. I think you're looking a little too far into it, AC. The answers to those questions are unknown, and probably irrelevant anyway. My suggestion to you would be to keep your eyes open for the Otter, and if she is in service, post that information here, and maybe take some photos if you have the opportunity.  |
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Post by Mill Bay on Jan 17, 2013 20:49:44 GMT -8
Unions call on government to cancel foreign SeaBus contract By North Shore OutlookPublished: January 16, 2013 01:00 PM Updated: January 16, 2013 01:71 PM The B.C. Federation of Labour is calling on the federal and provincial governments to cancel a TransLink decision to buy a foreign-built SeaBus, saying the transit provider ignored millions in federal funding assistance that could have given a local builder the edge on winning the contract. The provincial labour federation last week joined the BC Shipworkers’ Federation in asking the government to block TransLink’s awarding of the new SeaBus contract to the Dutch-based Damen Shipyards Group, whose $25-million bid for the work beat out a $27-million bid from North Vancouver’s Allied Shipbuilders. Damen is expected to build the new ferry in Singapore, a move that will cost British Columbians more than $25 million in lost jobs and economic spinoffs, the unions claim. The deal marks the first time in the ferry service’s 36-year history that one of its boats will be built off B.C.’s shores. Shipworkers’ union president George MacPherson said Thursday that TransLink rejected “out of hand” millions in federal funding which could have made the difference in Allied winning the bid. But it’s a claim TransLink spokesman Derek Zabel flatly denied. “That is something we took a look into,” Zabel told The Outlook, noting that 90 per cent of TransLink’s cost for the new SeaBus will already be paid for through the Federal Gas Tax Fund. That leaves only 10 per cent of the boat’s cost eligible for the federal assistance program, Zabel said. “It only would have saved us under $5,000,” he added. “The Damen contract saves us $2 million, so it’s still far greater.” Still, president of the B.C. Federation of Labour, Jim Sinclair, called Ottawa’s decision not to insist on a Canadian builder for the new SeaBus “astonishing,” especially in light of the government’s insistence on going local for its $8-billion navy and coast guard ship procurement program last year. “Why build Canadian for some projects and give the jobs away on others with the same taxpayer dollars?” Sinclair said. Both MacPherson and Sinclair said it’s not too late for TransLink to do the right thing and reverse the decision on Damen. But from TransLink’s standpoint, there’s no looking back, Zabel said. “It’s a legal process.” Find this article at: www.northshoreoutlook.com/news/187181021.html
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2013 21:01:14 GMT -8
If the federal and provincial governments cancel the new SeaBus will translink still build one or upgrade the Burrard Otter? Will BC ferries new builds have to be build in Canada now?
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Post by Neil on Jan 17, 2013 22:15:44 GMT -8
If the federal and provincial governments cancel the new SeaBus will translink still build one or upgrade the Burrard Otter? Will BC ferries new builds have to be build in Canada now? Nobody's 'cancelling' anything. The federal and provincial governments couldn't care less that the Seabus is being built in Singapore. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2013 17:34:36 GMT -8
If the federal and provincial governments cancel the new SeaBus will translink still build one or upgrade the Burrard Otter? Will BC ferries new builds have to be build in Canada now? The federal and provincial governments couldn't care less that the Seabus is being built in Singapore. What makes you say that? If they were smart, they would care. |
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Post by WettCoast on Jan 25, 2013 18:45:51 GMT -8
Burrard Inlet Rapid Transit Vehicles...A 1975 article from the Vancouver Province re what was to become the SeaBus from the D.O. Thorne Collection
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Post by WettCoast on Jan 25, 2013 20:10:33 GMT -8
More from the early days of Vancouver's SeaBus, this time a three page article from the UK magazine The Motor Ship. This, again, is from the DOT collection. Enjoy...    |
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Post by Mike C on Jan 25, 2013 23:30:16 GMT -8
When you think about it, especially in the terms of those articles, the concept of the SeaBus is incredible - moving 800 people in a 3 minute turnaround, both disembarking and loading, is a fantastic level of efficiency. The system is very unique to Vancouver (although the concept is used other places, like San Francisco), and demonstrates how to execute a ferry run in the context of a transit system.
Thanks for posting those articles Jim.
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