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Post by Balfour on Feb 13, 2005 17:59:32 GMT -8
There has been alot of discussion in the Yahoo group of the changes to be made to BCF in the next 5 years. Everything from Super C deployment right down to smaller vessels.
If you have any information or opinions, please post them here.
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Post by Curtis on Feb 13, 2005 18:12:28 GMT -8
In the next 15 years BCF will build 22 new vessels to replace the aging fleet (probably mostly minor vessels built in the 60s and 70s)
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Post by Doug on Feb 13, 2005 18:22:05 GMT -8
Well, if the rumor of two Super "C" Class ferries being on HB-DB is true, here is how I think it should look.
Langdale-Horseshoe Bay: Queen of Coquitlam relief: Queen of Cowichan
Horseshoe Bay-Departure Bay: Super "C" #3 Departure Bay-Horseshoe Bay: Super "C" #2 relief: Queen of Oak Bay
Tsawwassen-Duke Point: new vessel (similar to "C" Class) Duke Point-Tsawwassen: Queen of Alberni relief: Queen of New Westminster (only if needed; if it is, it will be given a major refit)
Tsawwassen-Swartz Bay: Spirit of British Columbia relief: Queen of Surrey Swartz Bay-Tsawwassen: Spirit of Vancouver Island relief: Super "C" #1
I took a good time to think this out, so I believe it should work. I will post more on the minor routes later, after i defragment my computer.
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Post by Balfour on Feb 13, 2005 18:45:33 GMT -8
I figure the New West will be needed on the TSW-DPT run in 2010 as a third vessel for the high traffic demand for the OLympics, and maybe even beyond if the population of BC increases.
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Post by Curtis on Feb 13, 2005 18:58:58 GMT -8
Why would they put the Surr on Tsaw.-Swtz. Bay transport canada won't allow it
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Post by Balfour on Feb 13, 2005 19:10:47 GMT -8
Transport Canada does allow the C's to transit Active Pass, but only if they go into a really slow mode that wastes fuel. I doubt that They'd end up moving the Surrey to route 1 in the end though. If they were to give the New West a huge Midlife refit they could stick her on route 1. Here is what I think deployment may look like on the Major routes in 2010:
Route 1(TSW-SB) SOBC SOVI Queen of New Westminster Super C
Route 30 (TSW-DPT) Queen of Alberni Queen of Surrey 1 relief vessel (maybe a C class or a new ship in later years)
Route 2 (HB-DB) 2 super C's Relief: C Class(Coq, Cow, or Oaky)
Route 3(HB-Lang) 2 C class (Coq, Cow, or Oaky), 1 regular vessel, 1 relief
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Post by Curtis on Feb 13, 2005 19:13:06 GMT -8
BCF should have ordered 4 Super Cs to replace the four original V-Classes (Vic Van San Esq) two on HSB Bay-Dep Bay and Twsn-Swtz Bay C's on HSB Routes Spirts on main route.
Or maybe one on each major route one carrying max overhight
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Post by Balfour on Feb 13, 2005 19:17:38 GMT -8
They should have ordered 4 super C's, but according to what I heard on Yahoo groups, another ship, similar to the C class, might be built for route 30.
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Post by Curtis on Feb 13, 2005 19:21:55 GMT -8
They should make its upper car deck simaler to the Newest's
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Post by Balfour on Feb 13, 2005 19:23:05 GMT -8
Great idea! That kind of ship should be deployed on route 30.
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Post by Curtis on Feb 13, 2005 19:27:42 GMT -8
Why do they say Duke Point-Tsawwassen is route 30? It should be route 24 same as the Discovery Coast Passage. Route 40? Should be 25
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Post by Balfour on Feb 13, 2005 19:34:20 GMT -8
I really don't know the route numbering system, but does sound silly, confusing and complicated.
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Post by NMcKay on Feb 13, 2005 19:43:27 GMT -8
the route numbers are confusing. but they are there for company use mostly....
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Post by Dane on Feb 13, 2005 22:46:03 GMT -8
- A super C similar vessel for Route 30 isn't in the long term plan. But as I said at Yahoo! that plan doesn't seem to matter much.
- I think Doug's vessel allocations are bang on (Obviously the specific locations for vessels is not a huge issue)
- The Queen of New West does have money allocated for a "mid life" (4/5 life, really) refit. I'm just not sure to what scale.
- "Mode 2" on the C Class isn't a lot slower than the speed at which the S and V class traverse active pass. It is, as you said VERY fuel inefficient. But they also burn a lot of fuel on Route 2 which hurts BCFs bottum line signifigantly.
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Post by cascade on Feb 14, 2005 7:56:20 GMT -8
We beleive that in about 5 to 10 years you will see around five main players of which BCF is the major and controls through a number of different means the current major routes that link the island to the main land. These main links will not be put out to the private operators.
The Northern routes requires a different type of vessel and operator. So you will get in a spec type of operator for that type of route. These will go private - and the sub will drop off over time.
The Southern Gulf Island, route require a short haul spec - niche market type of buiness model - very different to that of the Northern Routes and the main routes - so again these loss making route will go to the private market. The sub that the islanders get will over time drop - therefore a total different type of fare structure
Routes around the lower Mainland - will also go private - again different type of vessel requirement - and buines model.
Therefore the remaining mid island routes - these will also go - BUT will need some sort of government sub to, as they preform a service - but don't realy have the traffic figures to make a clean profit.
We are only after the Southern Gulf Island - and no we are not mad - or have romatic dreams of owning a loss - money pit of a ferry system. We beleive that with the correct vessels and time table ie increase crossing - you can make a profit. There are lots of examples to point to where this type of service makes a profit - with our rasing fares. No not through cheap labour either..
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Post by Ferryman on Feb 14, 2005 16:03:50 GMT -8
Looking at the drawing of the Super C looks like a V-Class and C-Class combined to me. Just because of the passenger deck layout. It looks like there is a lower passenger deck along with an upper passenger deck. On the lower passenger deck it looks like there is and outside deck along the sides like on a V-Class, and then on the top of the upper passenger deck another outer deck like on the C-Class. But then there are only windows on the upper car deck and not the bottom car deck. Does anyone know if they're putting 2 decks on the bottom car deck like Oak Bay or not like Alberni?
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Post by Koastal Karl on Feb 14, 2005 18:04:23 GMT -8
I heard there wasent going to be any extra vehicle ramps, as these are new bigger ferries so they shouldent need them.
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Post by Dane on Feb 14, 2005 19:19:38 GMT -8
It's in the blue prints, but it could just be a provision. Not having them is a gross waste of space, despite their length.
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Post by Balfour on Feb 14, 2005 20:37:07 GMT -8
They probably will have ramps at the sides of the ships just like the current C class.
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