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Post by lmtengs on Sept 21, 2011 19:51:56 GMT -8
Here's a thread for Norway's Fjord1 ferry line. Various foot-ferries in Bergen:    Notice the identical design to the Victoria Clipper. Here's the ferry between Mortavika and Arsvagen: It was a five sailing wait because it was the long weekend. This is the lineup:     Their ferry doodles on the signs are so much more detailed looking than ours!     Interior photos to follow... |
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Post by lmtengs on Sept 21, 2011 20:10:29 GMT -8
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 21, 2011 20:43:59 GMT -8
Luke, you're awesome ! Thanks for so many great photos of the Norwegian ferries.
When you rode the Fjord1 ferries, did you have a sense of their suitability for BC routes such as Comox-Powell River or Southern Gulf Islands, or Jervis Inlet?
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Post by lmtengs on Sept 21, 2011 21:01:40 GMT -8
Luke, you're awesome ! Thanks for so many great photos of the Norwegian ferries. Anytime!  When you rode the Fjord1 ferries, did you have a sense of their suitability for BC routes such as Comox-Powell River or Southern Gulf Islands, or Jervis Inlet? For the Jervis Inlet route, the ship as-built is really overbuilt for the route, car-capacity-wise, but passenger areas are well-suited, as long as they included some generic sitting area. As it is, the entire passenger area is cafeteria seating. The ferries have great stability, they're quiet, no noticeable vibration, and the crew like them. It would suit route 17 great, but I'm not sure they would really *need* a double-ended ship on that route. A good place for these ships actually would be route 3. I'm not sure they're suitable for route 9, with the hatched lower car deck. Deckspace shuffling could get difficult. |
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Post by alaskanmohican on Sept 21, 2011 22:10:16 GMT -8
I like the window set up in these pics. It seems like it would let in more natural light than the typical lounge window set up on most ferries on the northwest coast. I am one who likes lots of windows when traveling, actually I like being outside on the ferries, but it seems like on more and more modern designs there is less outdoor space. |
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Post by Koastal Karl on Sept 21, 2011 22:36:09 GMT -8
How long was the sailing on that route??
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Post by lmtengs on Sept 22, 2011 5:27:02 GMT -8
I'd say around 25-30 minutes, Karl. They run those two ships pretty quickly. 23kn is around what it feels like.
And Alaskanmohican, those windows really impressed me too while aboard.
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Post by Kahloke on Sept 22, 2011 6:29:32 GMT -8
Great pics, Viking! Did you happen to catch the passenger and vehicle capacities? Would a vessel of similar design would work better for some of BCF's routes if it didn't have the below-deck car hold, but rather just a single main car deck? I don't know. I'm just throwing it out there. I guess it would depend on what vehicle capacity you would get with just a single deck, and if that capacity would be sufficient for the route(s) this vessel could potentially operate on.
In any case, thanks for giving us this glimpse of European ferry operations.
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Post by lmtengs on Sept 22, 2011 14:47:49 GMT -8
The lower car deck holds 90 vehicles, and the upper car deck holds 126, bringing us to a grand total of 216 vehicles. Her dimensions are 129 by 19 meters, with a draught of 4.8 meters.
In comparison, the MV Island Sky is 100 by 27 meters, with a draught of 4.5 meters, and she carries only 125 vehicles on her main and gallery decks.
I think BCF could use the lower car deck fairly well on busy days, as it's really quick to load and unload.
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Post by Neil on Sept 22, 2011 15:56:35 GMT -8
The lower car deck holds 90 vehicles, and the upper car deck holds 126, bringing us to a grand total of 216 vehicles. Her dimensions are 129 by 19 meters, with a draught of 4.8 meters. In comparison, the MV Island Sky is 100 by 27 meters, with a draught of 4.5 meters, and she carries only 125 vehicles on her main and gallery decks. I think BCF could use the lower car deck fairly well on busy days, as it's really quick to load and unload. As you mentioned elsewhere, one difference between here and Norway is that BC Ferries never simultaneously loads and unloads on one ramp. Because of that, and because of the generally slow pace at which they load and unload here, this kind of boat would take forever, because you're essentially unloading a 125 car ferry on two lanes, then an 85-90 car ferry on one lane, and then reversing the procedure. Also, I believe Powell River and Little River only have one lane capability? Question for mrdot and other older members: Didn't BC Ferries always unload and load one lane at a time in the '60s? Given how long it takes today, how on earth did they manage to do a 100 car ferry on route 2 in the ten minutes dock time? |
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Post by lmtengs on Sept 22, 2011 17:06:46 GMT -8
Neil has a point. I look back at my photos, and the ramps at the MS Stavangerfjord's terminals could theoretically hold three, maybe even four lanes of traffic at one time. BC Ferries' widest is two. So we'd need some expansion there to allow this kind of speedy capacity.
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Just as a side note, I was quickly looking at overhead satellite images of some BC Ferries ships, and the ramp landings on both ends of the upper car decks of our double-car deck major vessels could be easily modified to allow for three-lane-wide ramps, except for on the three super Cs and the Queen of New Westminster, which would need major structural changes to widen the openings in the ends.
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Post by WettCoast on Sept 22, 2011 19:33:51 GMT -8
Question for mrdot and other older members: Didn't BC Ferries always unload and load one lane at a time in the '60s? Given how long it takes today, how on earth did they manage to do a 100 car ferry on route 2 in the ten minutes dock time? My recollection going back into the mid 60's is that they routinely did two-lane loading/unloading on routes 1 & 2. They could only do this for 'normal sized' vehicles, however. Only one larger vehicle, such as a coach lines bus, could be loaded/unloaded at a time. I believe that this was the practice right from day one, 15 June 1960. |
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Post by mrdot on Sept 22, 2011 21:22:11 GMT -8
:)on the 1960's car deck loading practices, everthing was single and double lane loading back then, and they had it down to a fine art, and loaded up on the double, but oftentimes would get behind and there came the hugmongous overtime bills that would never be tollerated by these new age hahn timetables, thats a big reason why todays loading is noware as tight as back then, the loading of the Coho's car deck is more comparable to those days, and the Rupert's deck was tightly packed in 66, the new age pvte co. would love to have a similar tight pack on the new northern wonderboat! :)mrdot.
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Post by Starsteward on Sept 23, 2011 17:33:07 GMT -8
Things got veeery tight on the QPR's car deck when everything had to be lashed down when bad weather was expected. There were days also that one couldn't get a bicycle onto the upper ramps as they were full to the brim. I agree mrdot, those were the days of packed car decks and they would certainly be welcomed again, I'm sure |
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Post by Mill Bay on Sept 29, 2011 9:33:52 GMT -8
Just as a side note, I was quickly looking at overhead satellite images of some BC Ferries ships, and the ramp landings on both ends of the upper car decks of our double-car deck major vessels could be easily modified to allow for three-lane-wide ramps, except for on the three super Cs and the Queen of New Westminster, which would need major structural changes to widen the openings in the ends. This idea confuses me, as I can clearly recall seeing the original promotional models for the Coastals, and they clearly indicated a row of 3 cars right at the gates to the upper car deck just waiting to disembark 3 lanes wide. I guess someone changed the design specs on the Coatals. |
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Post by lmtengs on Sept 29, 2011 14:46:11 GMT -8
Just as a side note, I was quickly looking at overhead satellite images of some BC Ferries ships, and the ramp landings on both ends of the upper car decks of our double-car deck major vessels could be easily modified to allow for three-lane-wide ramps, except for on the three super Cs and the Queen of New Westminster, which would need major structural changes to widen the openings in the ends. This idea confuses me, as I can clearly recall seeing the original promotional models for the Coastals, and they clearly indicated a row of 3 cars right at the gates to the upper car deck just waiting to disembark 3 lanes wide. I guess someone changed the design specs on the Coatals. When you're on board one of the coastals, take a look. The entrance is wide enough for three vehicles to PARK next to each other in there, but there's not nearly enough room to comfortably move in any gear above 'P' through the ends with any more than two vehicles. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2011 3:55:24 GMT -8
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Post by lmtengs on Dec 25, 2011 9:38:16 GMT -8
The Mastrafjord and the Bergensfjord are sisterships of the Stavangerfjord, which I rode this past summer in Norway. The Mastrafjord runs the same route as the Stavangerfjord does, so in the top video, you saw what I saw on my trip! |
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Post by Kahloke on Jan 9, 2012 20:53:15 GMT -8
Thanks for posting those great photos of the Boknafjord. She looks to be a nice ferry. I still think a ferry based on this design would be a good replacement for the Queens of Burnaby and Nanaimo.
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Post by HSD on Nov 22, 2016 15:02:11 GMT -8
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Post by timmyc on Jan 25, 2018 0:59:06 GMT -8
I suppose it's only fitting I revive this thread with a photo of the same ship as the last post, but in crummier winter weather. Travelling/researching through southern Norway right now, and spotted/rode a few ferries this past week - will only include the Fjord1's here, though. Rode Fanafjord, spotted Bergenfjord:  Fjord1's Bergensfjord by Timothy Choi, on Flickr  Fjord1's Bergensfjord by Timothy Choi, on Flickr  Fjord1's Bergensfjord by Timothy Choi, on Flickr  Fjord1's Bergensfjord by Timothy Choi, on Flickr  Fjord1's Bergensfjord by Timothy Choi, on Flickr  Fjord1's Bergensfjord by Timothy Choi, on Flickr |
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