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Post by EGfleet on Feb 8, 2007 11:14:43 GMT -8
Going through a slew of old negatives of mine, I came across this ship. You'll have to forgive the quality of the photo, I was crammed into the back seat of a friend's car heading down the highway doing about 60 mph. This is outside of Squamish, in August of 1992 I'm almost certain though it could have been 1993. I think it is the old Prince George but I'm not sure. Any ideas?  |
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Post by SS San Mateo on Feb 8, 2007 11:39:23 GMT -8
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Post by D'Elete BC in NJ on Feb 8, 2007 12:29:00 GMT -8
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Post by FNS on Feb 8, 2007 12:45:37 GMT -8
This ship is truly the STR PRINCE GEORGE II.
This ship was moored astern of the PRINCESS PATRICIA (both ships' bows faced west) at New Westminster for use as hotel ships during EXPO86.
I slept aboard the PATRICIA and ate breakfast aboard the GEORGE while going to the EXPO (took SkyTrain to and from the sites). A good way to self-tour both ships at the same time during that fun time! So quiet without the machinery going, though.
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Post by Ferryman on Feb 8, 2007 21:36:10 GMT -8
Going through a slew of old negatives of mine, I came across this ship. You'll have to forgive the quality of the photo, I was crammed into the back seat of a friend's car heading down the highway doing about 60 mph. Yikes, I'd never do 60mph on that section! It's only 35 mph through there at Britannia Beach! Really neat photo though! I'm suprised there's black clouds in the background, that we'd normally see during October-December, when the clouds get funneled up the sound. I'd have to agree with everyone else, and say it's the Prince George as well. The Langdale Queen also sat there for a period of time as well. |
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Post by EGfleet on Feb 9, 2007 20:10:44 GMT -8
Going through a slew of old negatives of mine, I came across this ship. You'll have to forgive the quality of the photo, I was crammed into the back seat of a friend's car heading down the highway doing about 60 mph. Yikes, I'd never do 60mph on that section! It's only 35 mph through there at Britannia Beach! Really neat photo though! I'm suprised there's black clouds in the background, that we'd normally see during October-December, when the clouds get funneled up the sound. I'd have to agree with everyone else, and say it's the Prince George as well. The Langdale Queen also sat there for a period of time as well. Er, well, it's been over ten years since I was up there so I am probably not remember the speed limit correctly.  I do remember the weather, which for August was lousy--rained nearly the entire time and it certainly felt more like October! We had a lot of fun though, even though that night we ended up staying inadvertently in what I was later told was the red light district in Vancouver. We'd been driving for hours, saw a nice Best Western I think it was and just said, "Yeah, that's good enough." |
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Post by Ferryman on Feb 10, 2007 8:39:48 GMT -8
Here's some more pics I found of the Prince George sitting at Britannia Beach.   By the looks of it, she's beneath the sea now, according to the faktaomfartyg website (whatever that name means in english..). "1996 10 25. Sjönk fartyget under bogsering till Kina utanför Alaska (Position 53°58N166°.30W)." www.faktaomfartyg.se/prince_george_1948.htm |
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Post by Shane on Feb 10, 2007 17:01:01 GMT -8
Apparently she was scrapped or turned into a barge before she sank.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2007 20:44:22 GMT -8
Was this the ship that was doing Alaskan Cruises and caught fire on her first cruise?
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Post by Dane on Feb 13, 2007 12:42:52 GMT -8
There has almost always been a vessel there for a not-so-serious idea of having a Museum. The vessel that replaced the Prince George was sold to Asian interests. Mysteriously, about 6 months before they towed her out they had her re-assessed and the insurance value went up about 20%. She would then sink without explanation half way to Asia.
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Post by yvr on Feb 19, 2007 21:12:07 GMT -8
Re Fire on maiden Cruise: Both the Princess Pat of "CP", and the Prince George of "CN" provided seasonal service to Alaska from Vancouver. To the best of my knowledge neither of these two ships ever had a fire while in service. The George became derelict at Britannia, and may have been torched by vagrants. The cruise ship that burnt in Alaskan waters was the Holland America Prinsendam in 1980. Of course the American account doesn't reflect the fact that Canadian Coast Guard Helicopters were also used in the rescue. Never the less it's a good story. Take note of the crew entering the boats first!!! The Prinsendam was a small ship, try to imagine this same scenario with one of the mega cruise ships of today. www.alaska.net/~jcassidy/pop-mech.htm |
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Post by WettCoast on Sept 19, 2006 21:04:57 GMT -8
To your list I would add Northland Navigation's Prince ships [i.e. Northland Prince, Tahsis Prince, etc.] Also Canadian Pacific, in addition to its coastal Princesses, had the Pacific Ocean fleet of Empresses [i.e.. Empress of Japan, Empress of India, etc] Canadian Northern Pacific Railway also had a small fleet operating in BC south coastal waters when that railway was merged into Canadian National.  D. O. Thorne collectionLast trip of CN's Canora, May 1967 - shown here in lower Fraser River. The name Canora came from Canadian Northern Railway, for whom this vessel was built. |
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Post by WettCoast on Sept 15, 2007 21:36:28 GMT -8
I am going to use this thread to post pics of retired steamships that once operated along our coast. The pictures below are both of the ex CN steamer Prince George. The views here show it tied up on the New Westminster waterfront in 1986. She was used that summer as a floating hotel for the swarms of visitors who came to Vancouver for Expo 86. At one time CN operated the Prince George in passenger service between Vancouver and Prince Rupert. Later she did summer cruises to Alaska. To my knowledge she was a passenger only vessel - i.e. she did not carry cars.  Prince George (ex CN Marine) in use as a floating hotel on the Fraser River @ New Westminster - summer 1986 [photo © Mr. DOT] by Wett Coast, on Flickr both photos by DOT |
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Post by Mill Bay on Sept 15, 2007 22:56:07 GMT -8
Very, very nice photos of this classic old ship...
How I would have loved to have been able to travel on those ships and see them from the inside instead of just in pictures.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 16, 2007 11:52:25 GMT -8
re the Prince George:
My earliest memory of this ship was seeing her tied up in Nanaimo, next to the Gabriola ferry dock. I think that she was tied up there for over a year, maybe more? This would have been in the early '80's.
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Post by Retrovision on Sept 16, 2007 12:27:32 GMT -8
Very, very nice photos of this classic old ship... How I would have loved to have been able to travel on those ships and see them from the inside instead of just in pictures. You're not alone there, certainly. Of the things that I dwell on and lament too much I'd have to say that the speed with which our coastal liners were taken away from us - seemingly under similar circumstances as the loss of trams and streetcars in North America - and their lack of real reprive tops the list. If any one thing comes before that on the list, it might be the lack of public and political will to preserve our nautical heritage. |
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Post by FNS on Sept 16, 2007 12:52:22 GMT -8
I remember 1986 well! I stayed aboard the PRINCESS PATRICIA at New Westminster and ate breakfast aboard the PRINCE GEORGE. Such a fun experience. EXPO86 was fun to go to. Took Skytrain to and from. The PRINCE GEORGE was made fast astern of the PRINCESS PATRICIA with bows of both ships facing west. I got to "self-tour" through both ships and had an engine room tour of the PAT on my way out to take my bus back to Seattle.
Too bad that those Taiwanese outbid a group of Alaskan folks in the post-EXPO86 ownership of the PRINCESS PATRICIA. Instead of being destroyed (if my reliable sources are right), she could have been a floating hotel in Skagway!
Too bad about the PRINCE GEORGE being neglected, burned, and sunk.
Two great ships are gone.
Thankfully, we have great photo memories through various medias!
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Post by Neil on Sept 18, 2007 9:59:57 GMT -8
A small Prince George. I don't know where.  May have posted this before- Britannia Beach.  After conversion to the new CN logo  And a predecessor, the Prince Rupert, in an unscheduled drydocking on Glenn Island, near Prince Rupert, March 1917. Unlike the horrible Princess Sophia grounding, all escaped unscathed from this one. Rock had to be blasted away to free the boat before she could proceed to 'Rupert for repairs.  The first Prince George, being destroyed at Ketchikan, Sept. 1945, after a fuel tank exploded, killing one crewman.  (Three preceding photos from Prince Ships of Northern BC, by Norman Hacking, Heritage House Publishing)The Prince Rupert and Prince George provided a combined Prince Rupert and Seattle service around 1920 on a very ambitious schedule. For instance, as follows... Lv Prince Rupert, Monday 9am Ar Vancouver, Tuesday 4:30pm Lv Vancouver, 6:00pm Ar Victoria, 10:30pm Lv Victoria, 12 mdnt. Ar Seattle, Wednesday 6am Lv Seattle, 9am Ar Victoria, 1:30pm Lv Victoria, 4pm Ar Vancouver, 8:30pm Lv Vancouver, Wednesday, 12 mdnt. Ar Prince Rupert, Friday 9am ...and then start over again, leaving Prince Rupert Saturday morning at 9. |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 18, 2007 12:22:12 GMT -8
Neil:
When I read Hacking's book last month, I also was surprised at how demanding the tight-schedule was for up&down&up&down the coast.
And we thought that that particular time of history was a "slower time" and not as hectic as today? Lots of schedule-pressure, yesterday and today....
(I wonder if there were people in Prince Rupert who would write notes on the community bulletin-board, wondering why Grand Trunk Pacific wouldn't put on an extra ship for the overload traffic wanting to get down to Vancouver to go see a Millionaires hockey game?).
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Post by Mill Bay on Sept 18, 2007 15:06:54 GMT -8
Those photos are amazing.
Especially those last two. The Prince Rupert's unscheduled drydocking on Glenn Island must be shown at low tide, but it still is almost unbelievable how far up out of the water they managed to beach it.
And in the image of the Prince George burning you can still see people standing on the lower deck at the very stern while the superstructure is burning. That would doubtless be a very frightening place to be as few things are more terrifying than fire at sea.
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Post by Retrovision on Sept 19, 2007 7:44:22 GMT -8
You're not alone there, certainly. Of the things that I dwell on and lament too much I'd have to say that the speed with which our coastal liners were taken away from us - seemingly under similar circumstances as the loss of trams and streetcars in North America - and their lack of real reprive tops the list. If any one thing comes before that on the list, it might be the lack of public and political will to preserve our nautical heritage. Sorry, gotta say something. I've been thinking this through for two days now....... ... I can only direct you to this page, and all of the implied ramifications and inevitable parallels for similar industries, unearthed or not... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy...'nuf said from me. Sorry for the digression from steamships... ... ps: For the Grand Trunk ships, their name-mark (reflecting that company's heritage) is on an entire town: Melville, Saskatchewan. www.city.melville.sk.ca/siteengine/activepage.asp?PageID=173...bet you didn't think a topic about west-coast steamships would include a reference to Saskatchewan.... ;D Getting close to 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon... As many know, the demise of the GTP is closely connected to Hays' ill-fated journey aboard one RMS TitanicFrom: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Melville_HayesAnd to bring this closer to full circle in a way, it is said that Hays' plans were grand, perhaps as grand as the CPR's, ambitious to the point of competing with the luxurious tourism empire built by the CPR and Sir William Cornelius Van Horne that gave us such landmarks accross our country as the Empress hotel, etc., etc., and one of these was planned to be another Rattenbury design, as the Empress, for which this drawing was made for a similar grand hotel in Prince Rupert, the famous GTP port and steamship namesake...  - - - - - - - - - - A small Prince George. I don't know where. Now you've got me thinking as that is apparently the Seaspan Greg at left  |
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Post by WettCoast on Oct 1, 2007 21:06:57 GMT -8
Neil's photo above (with this text A small Prince George . I don't know where.) looks to be taken at the outer wharves in Victoria. They used to bring rail cars in there. CN had a short collection of spur lines in that area. I believe that they are now all gone. Another SS Prince George picture from the camera of DOT ...  Vancouver Harbour - early 1980's A larger version can be found on my photobucket site. |
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Post by Retrovision on Oct 2, 2007 9:30:33 GMT -8
Beauty photo, Jim; thanks for finding it and do us a favour and keep trying to convince your brother to grace us with his presence, or if not just to take a look. Looking at such a photo, I can only imagine what treasures are beyond, both photographic and anecdotal. Is this the rail berth that you were referring to, Jim? I do not know what resides there presently.  Seaspan Greg and Queen of the Islands at right. |
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Post by WettCoast on Oct 2, 2007 16:28:55 GMT -8
It appears to be one and the same. There was another rail slip further up the habour just to the north west of the Johnson St. bridge. I believe they are/were the only two in Victoria. Both were used by CN, not CP/E&N. I may, of course, be wrong here. Others are welcome to correct me with the right info.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2007 17:39:17 GMT -8
The Prince George was converted to a Cruise Ship, after Expo 86. I think that she may have got fire on her first trip of the season, while going up to Alaska.
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