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Post by paulvanb on Oct 2, 2024 22:02:32 GMT -8
It is where they would park a second one. In summer a second boat would be a godsend. Everyone and their dog goes over, and the dangerous cargo sailing on Wednesdays make it even worse. Then, with the Cap being the runt child, keeps getting the short end of the stick for loading/unloading. I was so furious the day she was late, they started loading her, then stopped to unload another boat before continuing to load us again. It's probably a pipe dream, or whatever else you might call an unlikely venture, but there was the company I read about a while back that 'floated' the idea of a passenger ferry operating out of Tunstall or Bowen Bay to Vancouver. That might take some of the pressure off Snug Cove, but I can't imagine working out the logistics of a hundred or 150 people parking or transferring from cars or, getting off buses at Tunstall Bay, to make a sailing viable. The thing that makes the most sense for Bowen from a purely logistic standpoint is something that really can't happen in terms of the community; a berth and a tie up berth on the south side of Snug Cove, with an entrance from Dorman Road and a marshalling yard that would use the parkland alongside the Davies orchard... it would probably mean dredging, and the loss of marina capacity. Bowen just really can't be solved. Foot passengers are not the problem, it is cars, cars, and more cars. I am not sure if something like the Malaspina Sky working there due to her size. While the Bowen Queen was smaller in size, her service speed was better than the Cap. She was also a more stable ride than the Cap as well.
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Post by WettCoast on Oct 3, 2024 19:31:40 GMT -8
Perhaps the discussion here that started last night could be moved to a more appropriate thread, or perhaps a new one - "Bowen Island Service Discussion" for example.
Correct me if I am wrong but I see 7 berths in the Howe Sound area (HSB with 3, Snug Cove, Langdale with 2, & Porteau) that usually accommodate overnight 3 or 4 ferries, and sometimes a vessel in maintenance. Horseshoe Bay has the QOB plus the QCap, Langdale has the Surrey & sometimes the Coquitlam, and occasionally a vessel in maintenance or storage. That leaves one vacant berth at HSB plus another at Snug Cove, & a third at Porteau that could be used. So there is overnight parking space available for a second Bowen vessel. Complicating this is that from time to time one of these berths is down for maintenance and the second Langdale berth is single level only.
I don't think overnight berth space is the problem here ...
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Post by paulvanb on Oct 3, 2024 20:49:22 GMT -8
Perhaps the discussion here that started last night could be moved to a more appropriate thread, or perhaps a new one - "Bowen Island Service Discussion" for example.
Correct me if I am wrong but I see 7 berths in the Howe Sound area (HSB with 3, Snug Cove, Langdale with 2, & Porteau) that usually accommodate overnight 3 or 4 ferries, and sometimes a vessel in maintenance. Horseshoe Bay has the QOB plus the QCap, Langdale has the Surrey & sometimes the Coquitlam, and occasionally a vessel in maintenance or storage. That leaves one vacant berth at HSB plus another at Snug Cove, & a third at Porteau that could be used. So there is overnight parking space available for a second Bowen vessel. Complicating this is that from time to time one of these berths is down for maintenance and the second Langdale berth is single level only.
I don't think overnight berth space is the problem here ... Jim, we're going off on a tangent here, I guess. The Bowen peeps are never happy when the Cap goes off for maintenance, along with summer traffic snarls. The lack of capacity with the Cumberland sometimes makes her unsuited for the Bowen run, especially on Wednesdays.
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Post by Mill Bay on Oct 3, 2024 20:51:58 GMT -8
Perhaps the discussion here that started last night could be moved to a more appropriate thread, or perhaps a new one - "Bowen Island Service Discussion" for example.
Correct me if I am wrong but I see 7 berths in the Howe Sound area (HSB with 3, Snug Cove, Langdale with 2, & Porteau) that usually accommodate overnight 3 or 4 ferries, and sometimes a vessel in maintenance. Horseshoe Bay has the QOB plus the QCap, Langdale has the Surrey & sometimes the Coquitlam, and occasionally a vessel in maintenance or storage. That leaves one vacant berth at HSB plus another at Snug Cove, & a third at Porteau that could be used. So there is overnight parking space available for a second Bowen vessel. Complicating this is that from time to time one of these berths is down for maintenance and the second Langdale berth is single level only.
I don't think overnight berth space is the problem here ... You forgot about Darrell Bay: Something could be hidden up out of sight there, too.
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Post by WettCoast on Oct 3, 2024 20:56:05 GMT -8
Jim, we're going off on a tangent here, I guess. The Bowen peeps are never happy when the Cap goes off for maintenance, along with summer traffic snarls. The lack of capacity with the Cumberland sometimes makes her unsuited for the Bowen run, especially on Wednesdays. I believe that BCFS should modify the Cumberland to the same configuration as the Capilano. This would reduce its capacity a little, but make it far easier to load & better able to keep the schedule on its normal run and whatever run it subs on. It would also help BCFS with their standardization goal ...
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Post by paulvanb on Oct 3, 2024 22:07:15 GMT -8
Jim, we're going off on a tangent here, I guess. The Bowen peeps are never happy when the Cap goes off for maintenance, along with summer traffic snarls. The lack of capacity with the Cumberland sometimes makes her unsuited for the Bowen run, especially on Wednesdays. I believe that BCFS should modify the Cumberland to the same configuration as the Capilano. This would reduce its capacity a little, but make it far easier to load & better able to keep the schedule on its normal run and whatever run it subs on. It would also help BCFS with their standardization goal ... Funny, I was just thinking that after posting. It would help with capacity on the Snug Cove run and keep the locals at bay. Has she had her MLU?
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Post by Neil on Oct 4, 2024 20:03:09 GMT -8
Bottom line: hoistable decks or hatches to basement decks just don't work on short runs. The Skeena Queen design, perhaps enlarged, should have been carried on through at least two more vessels.
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