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Post by ruddernut on Jan 7, 2008 21:06:00 GMT -8
Alcohol free? Open your eyes when you are travelling on the ferries on a friday afternoon of a long weekend in the summer. Beer fumes? From my experiences you can't really smell beer unless it is spilled or you are sitting right on top of the can or bottle. Just sit right next to a drunk guy and listen to him for an hour and thirty-five minutes plus and you will want to have someone deal with him within ten minutes. The problem with that would not be with the drinks that they sell on board, but the stuff that the drunks sneak on.
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Post by kylefossett on Jan 7, 2008 21:59:36 GMT -8
I have two working feet and legs. I can get up and move away from him. If he is drunk at the start of the trip then he probably wasn't drinking onboard. Likely drinking before boarding.
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Post by Neil on Jan 7, 2008 22:42:38 GMT -8
I don't really have strong feelings on this, but I more or less agree with Chris. There are enough opportunities for people to drink without introducing more. You talk like we're selling alcohol to children. And beer fumes in the seating areas is something that I could personally do without. You could stay out of the designated drinking areas. No, I don't "talk like we're selling alcohol to children". I merely stated that I didn't think there was any need to expand the sale of liquor. Please don't twist what was a fairly innocuous opinion, which I think I'm entitled to hold. Kyle- I'm well aware that alcohol is consumed on the ferries without being sold on the ferries. I have a tad of experience at imbibing as well, and I would suggest that the only people who can't smell beer fumes are those who've had at least as much as the drinker sitting next to them. Is it just my imagination, or are the drinkers getting a bit touchy that someone is even questioning the universal quaffing of grog? I won't complain if they do start selling it- I just don't think it's necessary.
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Post by ruddernut on Jan 7, 2008 23:04:42 GMT -8
You talk like we're selling alcohol to children. You could stay out of the designated drinking areas. No, I don't "talk like we're selling alcohol to children". I merely stated that I didn't think there was any need to expand the sale of liquor. Please don't twist what was a fairly innocuous opinion, which I think I'm entitled to hold. Sorry, I guess I got the misconception from your use of the word "introduce". It sounded like it was introducing the people to alcohol. Anyways, I wouldn't call myself so much of a drinker as I am an advocate of making the ferry sailing the complete package. I probably wouldn't buy any overpriced booze on the ferry, except in special circumstances anyways.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2008 18:28:16 GMT -8
Posted by kyle fossett on Jan 7, 2008, 8:32pm Jan 7, 2008, 8:17pm, Neil wrote:I The southern routes have been alcohol free for 47 years- is there any compelling reason to change that, other than to make money? And beer fumes in the seating areas is something that I could personally do without. Alcohol free? Open your eyes when you are travelling on the ferries on a friday afternoon of a long weekend in the summer. Beer fumes? From my experiences you can't really smell beer unless it is spilled or you are sitting right on top of the can or bottle. ---------------------------------------------------------------- I find this extremely funny. For the first few years(early sixites and part of the seventies), I didn't think that alcohol was allowed on the ferries. This was way before the don't drive and drink slogans and MADD were commonplace. Then some acquaintances, told me that they used to get drunk on the ferry. They said, "What do you think The State Rooms are for?" I must have led a sheltered life, back then. Now as I think of it, they would have driven their vehicle on the ferry and took the drinks upstairs in their backpacks or brief cases. Rented a state room and tossed back a few. Later, these people would have been following someone down the highway to their destination.
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Post by kylefossett on Jan 28, 2008 19:11:15 GMT -8
Staterooms, I am cheap I just went to the cafeteria and grabbed a coke cup and then went and sat out in the sunshine on the deck and quenched my thirst
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Post by kerryssi on Feb 12, 2008 10:05:02 GMT -8
I agree that a small wine/beer tasting area would be nice. Unfortunately there are a number of people on just about every route who bring their own booze on board or who are already half drunk when they board. Any shipboard facility would take the blame for these people. The smoking issue is also a safety issue. There is no smoking on the car deck for very good reasons, gas and oil leaks being two. Unfortunately nearly all smokers have the habit of throwing their butts away rather than using ashtrays. When ashtrays were on the outer decks there would be one or two butts in the tray and dozens on the deck around them. When people throw their butts overboart the wind frequently sucks them back onto the car deck or into machinery spaces. The resulting fire could be serious. Butts tossed onto the creosoted pilings in dock have caused the occasional fire.
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Post by Balfour on Oct 16, 2007 19:23:40 GMT -8
www.bcferries.com/news/files/07-069bcfexpandsdesignatedsmokingareas.pdfBC FERRIES EXTENDS DESIGNATED SMOKING AREA POLICY ACROSS ENTIRE FLEET VICTORIA – BC Ferries announced today that as of October 15, 2007, the Company’s designated smoking area policy will be expanded throughout the fleet. Eight of BC Ferries’ smaller vessels on the shorter routes are designated 100% non-smoking and will remain smoke-free. For the remaining 28 vessels, smoking on the outer decks will be permitted in designated areas only. “During the summer, we implemented designated smoking areas on our major routes between Vancouver Island – Lower Mainland – Sunshine Coast and this change was well received by our customers,” said Mike Corrigan, BC Ferries’ Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer. “At that time, we made a commitment to our passengers that we would extend this policy to the rest of the fleet to help reduce exposure to second hand smoke for everyone enjoying the outer decks.” New signage is currently being installed to identify the designated smoking areas. Smoking is not permitted in the interior areas or on the vehicle decks of any BC Ferries vessels. Personally I'm glad to see this. As a non-smoker I don't like to have smoke blown into my face while I'm trying to enjoy the wind in my face while enjoying the scenery.
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Post by Mill Bay on Oct 16, 2007 20:35:11 GMT -8
In reference to this: My parents rode the Nor-Ad up the passage during August and they found that the designated area is not very well placed.
It's apparently on the upper passenger deck at the very stern (i think this would be outside the lighthouse cafe), and they said that whenever people were out there smoking, a large amount of the smoke would float down onto the lower deck making it a little bit unpleasant to sit out in the lounge there.
Anyway, maybe someone can correct me on the actual arrangement, but they just basically thought the smoking should be moved somewhere else.... like to the top between the funnels.
They were also a little disappointed with the lack of forward lounge viewing, and the fact you couldn't go farther forward on the top deck, then the seating area between the funnels, if you wanted to get a view of the ship.
My question on this is I wonder if they'll ever end up with enclosed, air-sealed smoking rooms like some people have done in restaurants and bars.
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Post by Dane on Oct 18, 2007 21:36:49 GMT -8
My question on this is I wonder if they'll ever end up with enclosed, air-sealed smoking rooms like some people have done in restaurants and bars. They should just get rid of smoking all together; it's not people's right to smoke; rather, the opposite is true.
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Post by Nick on Oct 18, 2007 21:48:23 GMT -8
My question on this is I wonder if they'll ever end up with enclosed, air-sealed smoking rooms like some people have done in restaurants and bars. They should just get rid of smoking all together; it's not people's right to smoke; rather, the opposite is true. And kiss goodbye to all the tax revenue? I don't think so. I think it's just a matter of time before pot is sold the same way. And I know someone is going to say "what about the health costs?" Considering that out of the the $8.00 or whatever a pack of cigarettes costs, about 40-50% is taxes. I think that the government makes more on them than is spent on the associated health costs. This may seem rather cynical to some people, but I have very little faith in the "establishment".
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Post by Retrovision on Oct 18, 2007 23:05:44 GMT -8
I think it's just a matter of time before pot is sold the same way. I wouldn't hold your breath, that idea died with the federal Liberal government's hold on power. As long as the Conservatives are in power federally, Canada can be counted as the 51st state, and as long as the impossibly stubborn war on drugs persists, marijuana laws can only be expected to strengthen.
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Post by Dane on Oct 20, 2007 19:37:19 GMT -8
They should just get rid of smoking all together; it's not people's right to smoke; rather, the opposite is true. And kiss goodbye to all the tax revenue? I don't think so. I think it's just a matter of time before pot is sold the same way. And I know someone is going to say "what about the health costs?" Considering that out of the the $8.00 or whatever a pack of cigarettes costs, about 40-50% is taxes. I think that the government makes more on them than is spent on the associated health costs. This may seem rather cynical to some people, but I have very little faith in the "establishment". I mean on the ferries.
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Post by Scott on Oct 20, 2007 19:49:54 GMT -8
What about the environmental impacts of smoking?? Maybe a carbon tax would be a good idea! I'm going to start a new thread on this in the non-ferry discussion so it doesn't take this thread off topic:)
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Post by Curtis on Oct 20, 2007 22:40:25 GMT -8
What about the environmental impacts of smoking?? Maybe a carbon tax would be a good idea! I'm going to start a new thread on this in the non-ferry discussion so it doesn't take this thread off topic:) And suddenly I think...That's a great idea. Except it wouldn't stop many people it would just take more money from their pockets.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Oct 22, 2011 6:53:01 GMT -8
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Post by WettCoast on Oct 22, 2011 10:12:04 GMT -8
What do people think about this statement. Is it fair?
I frequently observe smokers partaking in areas designated as 'non-smoking'. I have even seen what I will call 'idiots' smoking on the car decks, though that is not common.
BCFS could do a much better job of enforcing the requirements. Perhaps it is time to just ban smoking entirely on all routes except the longer northern ones.
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Post by ferryfanyvr on Oct 22, 2011 10:37:16 GMT -8
What do people think about this statement. Is it fair? I frequently observe smokers partaking in areas designated as 'non-smoking'. I have even seen what I will call 'idiots' smoking on the car decks, though that is not common. BCFS could do a much better job of enforcing the requirements. Perhaps it is time to just ban smoking entirely on all routes except the longer northern ones. More than once I've seen a deckhand walk right by someone smoking in a non-smoking area and not say a word. I'm usually the one who gently reminds such smokers that they have their designated area and have been told to mind my own business (one of the milder comebacks.) I am 100% in favour of a total smoking ban on the ferries, except MAYBE on the northern routes.. However one problem with this is such a ban would also, I believe, have to apply to crew members. Can you imagine BCF workers not being able to smoke for 8 to 10 hours at a time, even on their breaks? There would probably be a huge uproar about it.
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Post by mrdot on Oct 22, 2011 11:53:33 GMT -8
:)every place we go is lax in inforcing laws or bylaws on smoking or cell phone use, or drinking & driving, or many other restrictions! there is a law or bylaw being broken everywhere I go in my day, for example my front yard is littered by neigbours dog doo, someone is alway passing while yaking on their cellphone, people lite up every where they aren't allowed lawfully, everyone thinks laws are created for the other guy! :omrdot.
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Post by lmtengs on Oct 23, 2011 20:20:15 GMT -8
I'll confess to being the kid who used to 'patrol' the outside decks and tell a crew member whenever I saw someone smoking outside the smoking area. ;D
I must've reported a few hundred by the time I turned ten...
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Post by Neil on Oct 23, 2011 21:06:54 GMT -8
I'll confess to being the kid who used to 'patrol' the outside decks and tell a crew member whenever I saw someone smoking outside the smoking area. ;D I must've reported a few hundred by the time I turned ten... Well, I guess now I understand the apostrophe lectures a little better. If I ever run into you on a ferry outing I'll be sure not to spit out any gum anywhere...
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Post by FNS on Oct 23, 2011 22:59:21 GMT -8
What do people think about this statement. Is it fair? I frequently observe smokers partaking in areas designated as 'non-smoking'. I have even seen what I will call 'idiots' smoking on the car decks, though that is not common. BCFS could do a much better job of enforcing the requirements. Perhaps it is time to just ban smoking entirely on all routes except the longer northern ones. I agree for the total smoking ban on all BCF routes. There is a total smoking ban aboard all of our ferries here on our side of the Salish Sea. It frustrates me as I can't have the full enjoyment of viewing the beautiful sights of BC's inland coastlines on the Sun Deck aboard BC ferries and have to put up with second hand smoke at the same time. It was really difficult to enjoy the great aft view from the decks aboard the NORTHERN EXPEDITION on my first trip there a few years ago. Same problem. It's time to put an end to this. The only exceptions I would allow smoking would be on the open ocean outside of Port Hardy, north of Bella Bella until Cone Island, the open area between Princess Royal and Grenville channels, and a short stretch north of Grenville to Prince Rupert. Save the best scenery parts of the Inside Passage voyages for us non-smokers and kids. It's nice to see these no smoking signs aboard WSF vessels. These signs have been aboard The Staten Island Ferry vessels long before WSF implemented its total smoking ban. During the days of the wooden cabins aboard the Steel-Electrics, you had to hold your breath when walking between the Main Lounge and the Dining Room as smoking was allowed in their midships lounges (around the Fiddly). If my memory is right, there was no smoking in the Main Lounge, part of the Dining Room, and the Observatories.
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Post by EGfleet on Oct 24, 2011 7:25:56 GMT -8
I agree for the total smoking ban on all BCF routes. There is a total smoking ban aboard all of our ferries here on our side of the Salish Sea. It frustrates me as I can't have the full enjoyment of viewing the beautiful sights of BC's inland coastlines on the Sun Deck aboard BC ferries and have to put up with second hand smoke at the same time. It was really difficult to enjoy the great aft view from the decks aboard the NORTHERN EXPEDITION on my first trip there a few years ago. Same problem. It's time to put an end to this. The only exceptions I would allow smoking would be on the open ocean outside of Port Hardy, north of Bella Bella until Cone Island, the open area between Princess Royal and Grenville channels, and a short stretch north of Grenville to Prince Rupert. Save the best scenery parts of the Inside Passage voyages for us non-smokers and kids. It's nice to see these no smoking signs aboard WSF vessels. These signs have been aboard The Staten Island Ferry vessels long before WSF implemented its total smoking ban. During the days of the wooden cabins aboard the Steel-Electrics, you had to hold your breath when walking between the Main Lounge and the Dining Room as smoking was allowed in their midships lounges (around the Fiddly). If my memory is right, there was no smoking in the Main Lounge, part of the Dining Room, and the Observatories. Oh, lordy, to I well remember the days of indoor smoking on the ferries. In fact, in the collection we've got a few of the signs from either the Wally or Spokane--and if you grew up down here you probably remember them--for the "no smoking" areas. My favorite is an African American woman who is holding up a large cloth to her face and hacking away with the caption above her head "Cough cough, choke choke--This is not a place to smoke!!" The smoking "sections" on the ferries were a joke. The entire boats smelled like smoke from stem to stern. That policy finally ended in 1990, if you can believe it went on that long. Then it was smoking in the aft shelter deck--which no one paid attention to. You'd walk out to go onto the pickle fork and have to go through a cloud of smoke--very unpleasant. I was quite happy to see the full ban go into effect. The biggest difference I see between B.C. Ferries and WSF on this issue is the length of trip. I don't know how many smokers--Canadian and non-Washington residents--who were aghast that there was no smoking allowed at all on the ferry. I can say it probably reflected the national average in the US--less than 10%. They all managed it, however. I suspect if B.C. Ferries adopts a full ban, people would adapt.
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Post by WettCoast on Oct 24, 2011 8:37:26 GMT -8
EGF & Barnacle:
When smoking was completely banned on WSF did you experience an increase in desperate smokers hiding out and puffing in places like wash rooms, and 'unsafe' places like on the car decks? I assume that a certain percentage of WSF employees are puffers. Are they expected to last for 8 or 10 hours without a 'fix'?
It would be nice to have some input from our Alaskan neighbours to find out how AMHS deals with the smoking addiction on their predominantly long voyages.
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Post by mrdot on Oct 24, 2011 10:42:12 GMT -8
:)this morning I have been perusing the pages of one of my coffee table books that illustrate some of the grandest rooms ever afloat on the superliners of old, and those were the days when smokers had the penthouse of life! Of course life was full of inequeties in those years, and still are in many areas of life! :)mrdot.
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