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Post by Retrovision on Jul 31, 2006 23:42:25 GMT -8
If this was a barge slip, then where was the primary BCCSS terminal in Nanaimo? Sorry, got it confused with the Wellcox Barge Slip. Thanks for the Clarification; good to know.
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Post by Retrovision on Aug 1, 2006 0:09:19 GMT -8
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Post by Low Light Mike on Aug 1, 2006 18:19:51 GMT -8
I took this photo at Nanaimo's Dragon-Boat festival, in mid July. There's way too much sky in my shot....but the ships are nice...
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Post by Retrovision on Aug 1, 2006 22:00:20 GMT -8
Great Shot, HMCS Nanaimo, even from so far away. That Seaspan vessel at left is the Princess Superior, formerly the Incan Superior of Lake Superior, operated by Incan Marine, a subsidiary of Canadian Pacific, on a route between Thunder Bay and Superior. During her days back east, she operated without bow-loading capability, and actually had a shaped bow. During her 18 years of service between Superior and Thunder Bay, the Incan Superior was frequently the port’s first and last ship of the navigation season. She’s shown here arriving in the ice-clogged Duluth Ship Canal on March 24, 1983. (Lake Superior Marine Museum Association Archives, Lake Superior Maritime Center at University of Wisconsin-Superior, Duluth News-Tribune Photo by Charles Curtis)(From: www.duluthport.com/pride/incan.html) " The motorship Incan Superior made its last run between Thunder Bay and Superior in the fall of 1992. After making more than 2,400 round trips between 1974 and 1992, the Incan Superior slipped her moorings, sailed down the St. Lawrence Seaway to the Atlantic Ocean, south to the Panama Canal and then north to her new home port of North Vancouver, British Columbia. ... Built by the Burrard Drydock Company at Vancouver, the Incan Superior and a sister ship were destined for service on Lake Superior and the St. Lawrence River. Innovative roll on/roll off (RoRo) vessels, the Incan Superior and Incan St. Laurent were launched in the spring of 1974. The two vessels were built for Incan Ships Ltd., a subsidiary of the Canadian Pacific Railway. Built at a cost of $5.2 million apiece, the two ships were designed to carry rail cars of paper products, including paper and pulpwood.
At just over 385 feet in length, the Incan Superior had a rakish look to her. Up to 32 40-foot rail cars could be carried on her deck, and the pilothouse and bridge straddled her car deck. Her twin 12-cylinder diesel engines allowed the Incan Superior to cruise at 14 knots on the open waters of Lake Superior, and she could make the 200-mile trip between the two ports in 13 hours. ... The vessel was far from done with her useful life, however. She packed up and left her dock on the Kaministiquia River in Thunder Bay Thanksgiving week of 1992, crossed the Great Lakes and retraced her voyage of 18 years before. When she arrived at the shipyard on Vancouver Island, the Incan Superior was extensively renovated, including the reconfiguration of her bow to allow bow loading of semi-trailer trucks. Re-christened the Princess Superior, she was placed in service as a truck and rail ferry between Vancouver and Vancouver Island. She is still out there sailing the waters of the Straits of Georgia. And Twin Ports boatwatchers still miss her."
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Post by WettCoast on Aug 1, 2006 22:49:22 GMT -8
Graham, Here is a summer 1980 schedule that you might want to add to your documentation album [credit JST - wetcoastkid]. This is from the BCFC Passage newsletter [volume one - number three], which was given away on BCF ships at that time. Note 20 sailings daily during the summer on route 1 with a capacity of ~3700 vehicles daily. Today, in the summer of 2006, they are running 14 to 16 sailings daily, with a capacity of ~6000 vehicles daily. In that they don't seem to use the main car deck ramps much, if at all, these days, actual capacity today may be more like 5000 vs 3000 in 1980. Considering the growth in traffic since then has service improved?
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Post by Retrovision on Aug 1, 2006 23:26:04 GMT -8
Thank you muchly, JST. I will add the pic (and credit) to my fotopic site.
Surprising statistics; it will be interesting to look back similarly in 20 or so years.
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Post by Retrovision on Aug 2, 2006 6:01:15 GMT -8
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Post by Retrovision on Aug 2, 2006 8:38:36 GMT -8
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Post by Koastal Karl on Aug 2, 2006 9:17:01 GMT -8
So how many ships did they have on route 1 then?? 5 I would assume by looking at that schedule!
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Post by Mike C on Aug 2, 2006 9:22:49 GMT -8
The four V's and the Alberni. The Tsawwassen on Earls Cove-Saltery Bay, three C's and a B on route 2, and one C and a B on route 3? Oui?
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Post by Balfour on Aug 2, 2006 10:41:25 GMT -8
The four V's and the Alberni. The Tsawwassen on Earls Cove-Saltery Bay, three C's and a B on route 2, and one C and a B on route 3? Oui? Actually the Powell River Queen would have been on the Earls Cove-Saltery Bay run that year.
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Post by Ferryman on Aug 2, 2006 10:52:14 GMT -8
Which ship would have been running with the Cowichan on route 3? One of the now retired ships? I can't see the Burnaby or single decked New West on that route...
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Post by Curtis on Aug 2, 2006 10:56:04 GMT -8
The Powell River Queen was on the Saltery Bay-Earls Cove Route from her launch in 1965 to her move to Campbell River-Quadra in 1991. I think there also would have been a C Class on route 1 since the V Class weren't all lifted yet.
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Post by CN2972South on Aug 2, 2006 11:47:10 GMT -8
tsawwassenterminal, the slip there at the Seaspan terminal in Nanaimo is also the E&N Railway's, sorry Southern Railway of Vancouver Island, ferry terminal.
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Post by Ferryman on Aug 2, 2006 12:22:31 GMT -8
Which ship would have been running with the Cowichan on route 3? One of the now retired ships? I can't see the Burnaby or single decked New West on that route... Oh, d'oh!... The Surrey and Oak Bay weren't even around in the summer of 1980. The Cowichan and Coquitlam would be on Route 2 with the Burnaby. Four V's plus a B would be on Route 1. Then the Sunshine Coast Queen and Langdale Queen would probably be on Route 3, or was it Queen of the Islands? Where would the Sidney and Tsawwassen have been running at that time?
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Post by Retrovision on Aug 2, 2006 12:33:42 GMT -8
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Post by Biff Fisticuffs on Aug 2, 2006 12:50:03 GMT -8
"Which ship would have been running with the Cowichan on route 3? One of the now retired ships? I can't see the Burnaby or single decked New West on that route... "
- Actually, in the summer of 1980, the Queen of New Westminster (pre lifted) was doing rte #3. She had replaced the Langdale Queen in 1976, when the Cow & Coke entered svc. The Suzy Q retired the next year. As for rt #2, Yes, the Cow & Coke were the primary ships, with the Burnaby as the #3 vessell & the Nanny was the overload vessell & was berthed in D.B. It was quite a time then.
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Post by Mike C on Aug 2, 2006 12:58:37 GMT -8
Oh, hey Biff, long time no see...
Sorry to cause so much chaos here, I do lack memory cells, talking about the PRQ on Route 7, and 2 C's not even in existence. Correct me wherever.
Cheers, and I apologize.
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Post by Doug on Aug 2, 2006 23:22:17 GMT -8
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Post by Curtis on Aug 3, 2006 10:38:35 GMT -8
Which ship would have been running with the Cowichan on route 3? One of the now retired ships? I can't see the Burnaby or single decked New West on that route... Oh, d'oh!... The Surrey and Oak Bay weren't even around in the summer of 1980. The Cowichan and Coquitlam would be on Route 2 with the Burnaby. Four V's plus a B would be on Route 1. Then the Sunshine Coast Queen and Langdale Queen would probably be on Route 3, or was it Queen of the Islands? Where would the Sidney and Tsawwassen have been running at that time? Hold It The Langdale Queen and Sunshine Coast Queen were Retired in 1976 so It would probably be something like this One "C" Class and two "B" Class on the Departure Bay route. One "C" Class and one "B" Class on the Langdale Route. Three Pre-Lifted "V" Class and the Queen of Alberni on Tsawwassen-Swartz Bay. Probably a "V" Class would be in the process of lifting cause that Schedule doesn't look like there's five sailings per hour and a half. Continuing Now the Queen of Sidney was on Tsawwassen-SGI. The Saltspring and Vesuvius Queen were on Fulford-Swartz and Crofton-Vesuvius. The Bowen and Mayne Queen was on Swartz Bay-SGI. The Powell River Queen was on Jervis Inlet. The Howe Sound Queen was on the Bowen Island Route. The Queen of the North was on the Inside Passage. The Queen of Tsawwassen Would be a Relief Vessel That's probably all the Vessel Assignments for Summer 1980
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Post by Mike C on Aug 3, 2006 10:52:30 GMT -8
Hold up, what ferry was on Swartz Bay-SSI, Curtis? The Queen of Tsawwassen? Spill the beans already.
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Post by Curtis on Aug 3, 2006 11:24:24 GMT -8
The Saltspring Queen would be on Fulford Harbour(SSI)-Swartz Bay
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Post by Mike C on Aug 3, 2006 11:31:48 GMT -8
Ah, point taken. The Queen of the Islands would be on Powell River-Comox, and the Tachek would be on PR-Texada, etc.
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Post by Curtis on Aug 3, 2006 11:41:16 GMT -8
The Tachek and many other Ferries and routes including the Powell River Texada and Comox Routes weren't part of BC Ferries till 1985 when the Ministry of Highways Saltwater Ferries Merged into BC Ferries. I guess I might have Missed a few routes and Ferries as well The Dogwood Princess II was on the Langdale-Gambier Island-Keats Island route. The Queen of the Islands was Probably Relief Hmmm...I think I have everything correct now
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Post by Ferryman on Aug 3, 2006 16:32:22 GMT -8
Queen of the Islands also spent some time on Route 3. It's hard to pinpoint where exactly every ferry was during certain years. It seems like it was slightly changed every year.
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