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Post by Dane on Apr 7, 2006 13:04:58 GMT -8
For some companies the government essentially made it impossible for them to operate, and then bought out there assets. Others recieved fair deals from the government, and others yet had so muich competition from BC Ferries (CPR) that they had no real option but to fold as they weren't interested in upgrading their facilities and vessels to compete with BC Ferries' modern, efficient service.
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Post by Neil on Apr 7, 2006 14:21:37 GMT -8
Cascade, I appreciate the time you took for that overview of coastal shipping history- I'm still curious, though, about the actual names of the companies which were unfairly dealt with in the setting up of BC Ferries. There probably isn't a need for a separate thread with tons of info- sometimes people can be trusted to do their own research, and anyway, a lot of us are pretty familiar with the history of shipping here on the coast, but to help us understand the particular situation you've brought up, some company names would really be helpful. Thanks again.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Apr 7, 2006 17:30:23 GMT -8
Thanks for your great post Mr. Cascade.
very informative, much appreciated.
I did some google-research, and the only company that I found was the good old "Gulf Islands Ferry Company".
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Post by Neil on Apr 8, 2006 10:18:36 GMT -8
Rather than look through what sounds like a mountain of family documents, wouldn't it be easier if we could just get some names and places? You mentioned operations on the Sunshine Coast and Gulf Islands, and some new government service in 1977. What were those? And, also, I'm curious about the routes which you say most people wouldn't be aware of nowadays. More specific? I know that some families operated island services before BC Ferries or Dept of Highways came along, such as the Savoies on Hornby, are you refering to any of those? If so, which ones? There are sources of research other than google searches, and I'm quite interested in pre-BC Ferries transportation; surely we could get a bit of clarification on what situations you're refering to without having to do a museum search.
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Post by BrianWilliams on Apr 11, 2006 17:55:24 GMT -8
To Cascade and the others in the late part of this thread:
Yes! I would like to see an historical review of south coast service before 1960, from a first-hand source. There is far too little published information on inter-island ferries and small coastal operators.
CP, Black Ball and Union Steamships are well-recorded because of their broad nostalgic appeal. Some small operators like Cates and Sannie to Bowen Island are also easy to find; so are the early Fraser River carriers and cross-Burrard Inlet services.
Trivia question: "Canadian Pacific Navigation" was an arm of the railway company when established under that name? Y or N?
Answer: No.
CP Navigation (est. in New Westminster 1871) pre-dated the railway by 14 years. The Irving family operated riverboats from New Westminster to upriver points for years, with some sea crossings to Vancouver Island as well. William Irving's son John sold the thriving enterprise to the unrelated CP Railway in the 1890's ... and that was the foundation of CPR's BC coastal ships.
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Post by Curtis on Oct 21, 2006 23:18:31 GMT -8
I'm presuming this is a type of Spam. Mod Squad if you Please.
EDIT:(Spam has been Deleted)
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Post by Low Light Mike on Oct 22, 2006 7:37:31 GMT -8
I'm presuming this is a type of Spam. Mod Squad if you Please. We'd remove this, even if you didn't ask Curtis. But your wish is our command, and so it has been made so. Very nice spam, don't you think? |
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Post by DENelson83 on Apr 21, 2008 18:04:28 GMT -8
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Post by BreannaF on Apr 23, 2008 23:41:49 GMT -8
I dunno, I think flounders is dim fishies out there. But my Poppy says that he thinks you meant Flanders.  But seriously, I think this story really puts an exclamation point on how difficult it is to compete with government subsidized public transit, even if you offer a superior product. We certainly need public transit (buses, trains, ferries, etc.) as a societal benefit, whether operated publicly or privately. And at the moment, we need that public subsidy to get enough people riding to meet the needs of the public at large, such as getting people out of cars for environmental purposes and avoiding the costs of catering to a larger number of vehicles on a limited number of roads. There will be a demand at some point for a Naniamo to Vancouver service, and likely Van to Victoria, too. That point will get here when some combination of fuel costs and population growth on the Island move people to public transportation. Clearly, for this route, we are just barely at that borderline now. As one who is a fan of these various forms of transportation, I can dream all day that we have fleets of boats going all over the place, and a proliferation of bus routes and trains to connect to them. But until it makes economic sense for people like Ed Life to put a deal together, we are still not quite there. Sadly. |
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Post by Neil on Mar 5, 2009 11:12:30 GMT -8
Hey... if they win this case, they can take the money and go in with Ihab Shaker on his plans for a new service to Nanaimo...
Sound like a good plan, landlocked?  -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- $2M HarbourLynx lawsuit proceeds Defunct company blames firm for engine failure Daily NewsMarch 5, 2009 A $2-million lawsuit launched by the former Nanaimo-based HarbourLynx passenger ferry service will continue after a B.C. Supreme Court decision. HarbourLynx is suing Cullen Diesel Power, which was contracted to overhaul the engines for the vessel in February 2003 through its Nanaimo branch. On Feb. 1, 2006, an engine failed and HarbourLynx ended the venture. "The plaintiff claims that Cullen Diesel failed to adequately perform the overhaul of the engines and the plaintiff or (Nanaimo Harbour Link Corporation) or both of them have suffered damages, expenses, and losses because of the failure of the starboard engine. The amount of the claim has not been quantified but is estimated to be in the $2-million range," stated Justice Jane Dardi. Cullen made several arguments seeking to have the case dismissed, including that under contract law HarbourLynx is barred from seeking damages. They also claimed there was no evidence HarbourLynx could dispute. But Dardi agreed with HarbourLynx that even if Cullen was right about the contract law and a duty of care issue, they had yet to determine what evidence could be disputed since Cullen had not disclosed any documents or testified in discovery hearings. The suit was brought by HarbourLynx in April 2007, and Cullen had sought a summary trial without disclosing its documents. Part of Dardi's legal analysis over the last year has centred around the legal meaning of the word "equipment" in dismissing the application for the summary trial. She granted HarbourLynx the right to examine evidence from Cullen. © Copyright (c) Canwest News Service
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Post by landlocked on Mar 5, 2009 13:42:49 GMT -8
I am not in any way professing that I am a marine engineer. What I do know is that, after the engine failed, by describing to an MTU workshop in Holland, what items appeared not have been replaced/serviced, they told us where the engine failed. They were absolutely correct. The sad part of the whole situation is that the other engine appeared not to have had the prescribed servicing/replacement parts, so how would you want to send her to work like that.
As far as getting into a relationship with Ihab, that would have to be up to them. I think at this juncture, they have no appetite.
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Post by Neil on Mar 5, 2009 15:34:06 GMT -8
As far as getting into a relationship with Ihab, that would have to be up to them. I think at this juncture, they have no appetite. Interesting. I was just being facetious, but I take your reply to mean that you would not (speaking purely hypothetically, of course) necessarily rule out a venture with Ihab Shaker if the situation was promising enough. |
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Post by landlocked on Mar 5, 2009 15:52:09 GMT -8
Neil,
I was/am not in any way speaking for anyone. What I meant was that I don't see the people involved in the suit having any appetite to get into the ferry business. One would assume that the operating company went broke and the party currently in the suit would be the folks who picked up the assets of the company. Rightly or wrongly, I will assume that Ed Life may well be one of them.
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Post by Neil on Mar 5, 2009 16:41:18 GMT -8
Neil, I was/am not in any way speaking for anyone. What I meant was that I don't see the people involved in the suit having any appetite to get into the ferry business. One would assume that the operating company went broke and the party currently in the suit would be the folks who picked up the assets of the company. Rightly or wrongly, I will assume that Ed Life may well be one of them. Fair enough. I misunderstood. |
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Post by landlocked on Feb 26, 2010 17:30:47 GMT -8
It appears an 'old friend' has resurfaced finally. The actual name on the vessel is "Flying Viking III", not "111" as stated in this ad. I would suggest it's fairly dated as it may well be a previous page on the website. It does not appear on the website currently, but I understand she may well be serving an Italy to Albania run this summer. www.j-gran.no/en/sale---purchase/passenger-vessels/boats/mv-_flying-viking-111_/ |
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Post by lmtengs on Mar 7, 2010 20:46:12 GMT -8
So she's based out of Bergen then is it? I might just be able to get a photo of the Flying Viking in 2011, when I'm there on vacation.
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Post by landlocked on Mar 7, 2010 22:28:27 GMT -8
The only reports I have are that she was in layup status at Fjellstrand's yard. I don't even know if the advertisement is active as it seems to be buried in the website, perhaps in an archive. If you go in through the front door through the home page you won't find it.
I understand she will be going on a 6 month charter, expecting to be starting soon from Italy to Albania. They must have got a real cheap charter rate to go through all the trouble to start up for only a six month comittment.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Feb 27, 2012 22:27:37 GMT -8
I've moved this thread into the historical-section of the forum, since the company is history, and the ship is unlikely to work in BC waters again.
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Post by landlocked on Jul 14, 2012 18:34:48 GMT -8
A couple of news stories and pictures I found today. It turns out our old friend, notwithstanding her cruise to Norway on the back of a couple of carriers, it turns out she hasn't had a revenue day since February 2, 2006. Sad, but better than one of the Pacificat triplets, I suppose... NAMA MEMBER FORMER DIRECTOR OF GALWAY FIRM IN RECEIVERSHIP January 31, 2012 - 11:53am NAMA MEMBER FORMER DIRECTOR OF GALWAY FIRM IN RECEIVERSHIP A NAMA board member is a former director of Galway ferry company Aran Link, which has been taken into receivership. The Irish Independent reports receivers were appointed when the firm was unable to meet bills for work on a 300 seater vessel at a boatyard in Norway. The Aran Princess vessel was intended to provide a new ferry passenger service between Galway and Kilronan on Inis Mór. The catamaran is now to be auctioned off in an effort to repay debts. Limerick based accountant Brian McEnery and a NAMA director was also listed as one of the directors of Aran Link until the receivers took over. 2nd Article NAMA board member is a director of troubled Aran Link A NAMA board member is among the directors of troubled Galway ferry business, Aran Link, which has been taken into receivership over unpaid debts. Receivers have taken control of the Galway-based company after it was unable to meet bills for work done on the 300-seater vessel 'Aran Princess' at a boat-yard in Norway. Accountants Michael McAteer and Aengus Burns of Grant Thornton have now been appointed as receivers by Czech-based Dieselworx s.r.o. The Dieselworx engineering business had a fixed charge over the vessel, giving it the right to take control of the asset. The Aran Princess was supposed to be at the heart of a new fast passenger ferry service between Galway and Kilronan on Inishmore. The high-speed catamaran was bought in the US in 2008 and shipped to Norway to be refitted but it never made it Galway and will now be auctioned off to help settle debts. Receivers were appointed after an earlier effort to rescue the business was unable to turn things around. Insolvency Limerick-based accountant Brian McEnery, a director of NAMA, was listed as a director of Aran Link, until receivers took control of the business. As well as his role overseeing toxic debt agency NAMA, Mr McEnery is a partner at Horwath Bastow Charleton. He is a specialist in insolvency and acts as a liquidator in his own right. He is understood to have been appointed to the board of Aran Link by a group of investors only after things started to go wrong at the business. Mr McEnery, Con Quigley and Ger Blake, all of Horwath Bastow Charlton, were appointed to the board of Aran Link in May 2011. This latest news is bad news for tourism in the west. Aran Link is the second Aran ferry company to go into receivership in just two years following the collapse of Aran Direct in 2010. In March last year, Aran Direct's receivers sold two modern passenger vessels -- the Clann Eagle I and Clann na nOileáin -- that had been in service on routes between Galway and the Aran Islands. The boats were sold for more than €1m to an operator based in Mauritius, the high-end tourism destination in the Indian Ocean. Both vessels have now been shipped to Mauritius. Added BONUS, a couple of pix. I suspect in Norway... Attachments:
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Post by landlocked on Jul 14, 2012 18:35:51 GMT -8
2nd picture.... Attachments:
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on Jul 14, 2012 20:53:48 GMT -8
Thanks for the update, landlocked!  |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 10, 2014 20:24:34 GMT -8
I chatted with Mayor McKay today, and he mentioned that the old Harbourlynx ship is now in Turkey. DATA HERENow named HUDAVENDIGAR |
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Post by NMcKay on Jan 2, 2015 8:18:34 GMT -8
He said he had a good time chatting with you.
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