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Post by Esquimalt Queen on Nov 24, 2008 11:03:50 GMT -8
Hah, Cathy and I were the first footies aboard. We just wandered on via the car deck after the ribbon cutting. No one gave us any trouble, and we explored the empty ferry for a good 40 minutes before they let anyone else aboard, and got a short tour of the bridge  . Good on you! I was wondering where you two ran off to, maybe I should have followed. How was it on the bridge? Was Cap'n James Pomphrey up there? |
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on Nov 26, 2008 12:54:04 GMT -8
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Post by Kam on Nov 26, 2008 13:47:53 GMT -8
Nice set of photos Scott!
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Post by Northern Exploration on Nov 26, 2008 15:05:48 GMT -8
Great seeing a Coastal go through Active Pass. Great pics Scott.
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Post by Esquimalt Queen on Nov 27, 2008 23:08:04 GMT -8
Wow, Scott, those photos are soo beautiful!!
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Post by Mirrlees on Nov 28, 2008 1:14:29 GMT -8
Nice photos, thanks for sharing those Scott..!!  |
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Post by Koastal Karl on Nov 28, 2008 13:11:30 GMT -8
Coastal Celebration 12:00 PM 12:09 PM ETA: 1:09 PM 1hr crossing? This is a mistake though as of 1:10pm she is exiting active pass.
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Post by corporalrabbinoff on Nov 28, 2008 14:25:06 GMT -8
Is it me or is the ship very close to Mary Anne Point? Nice picts Scott.
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Post by Koastal Karl on Nov 29, 2008 10:23:26 GMT -8
The Coastal Celebration is replacing the SOVI for two roundtrips today. 11am and 3pm from Swartz Bay and 1pm and 5pm from Tsawwassen. I wonder what is up with the SOVI?? I know previous years around this time on a Saturday they would pull a Spirit out for a roundtrip or two to do some work.
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Post by DENelson83 on Nov 29, 2008 15:05:54 GMT -8
The CC should replace the SOBC for the time period required for the SOBC to go down to Esquimalt Drydock to get her fourth engine fixed or replaced.
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Post by ferrytraveller on Nov 29, 2008 15:28:27 GMT -8
Firstly no Tsawwassen crew are trained on the CC, so we would need the SOVI to replace the SOBC and the CC could replace the SOVI. Also they are waiting on a custom build crank shaft to the SOBC to be made and delivered before she can go in for repairs.
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Post by DENelson83 on Nov 29, 2008 15:31:39 GMT -8
Ah, that makes sense. And the end result is the same as what I'm calling for.
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Post by ferrytraveller on Nov 29, 2008 15:40:15 GMT -8
true ttrue
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Post by Dane on Nov 30, 2008 10:48:30 GMT -8
The Coastal Celebration is replacing the SOVI for two roundtrips today. 11am and 3pm from Swartz Bay and 1pm and 5pm from Tsawwassen. I wonder what is up with the SOVI?? I know previous years around this time on a Saturday they would pull a Spirit out for a roundtrip or two to do some work. Nothing wrong with the SoVI, crew drills were held by both watches while the CC was in service. The CC runs were for familiarization. Docking appears to still be challenging! I was on the 9am from Tsa and the 7pm from Swartz so got to watch all the action. When we arrived at Swartz the SoBC was in Berth 2 unloading, and more or less as soon as she was done the CC arrived (keep in mind the SoVI is sitting in Berth 1) and tehe SoBC pulled out into the harbour area. The CC then arrived at Berth 2, while the SoVI started loading to leave on time as the 7. Add into this the cross traffic of the Mayne Queen and Skeena Queen and you had a whole of of ferries. |
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Post by Coastal Canuck on Nov 30, 2008 15:28:23 GMT -8
what berth does the CC use at Tsawwassen?
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Post by DENelson83 on Nov 30, 2008 15:33:10 GMT -8
She's using berth 5.
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Post by WettCoast on Nov 30, 2008 19:28:46 GMT -8
Speaking of 'which dock does she use' - I assume that the CCel uses berth 1 at SWB while she is in service. I know that berth 2 is where she 'sleeps'. Can someone confirm this?
I mean, of course, that for the 4:00 pm sailing on Friday and Sunday she will be berthed in dock 1. At that time she has already completed one round trip and is about to begin a second. When she returns to SWB at 7:30 pm she will use berth 2 because she is at the end of her service day,and is about to be put to bed.
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Post by Nick on Nov 30, 2008 19:40:49 GMT -8
That was the original plan, but there have been numerous noise complaints from the neighbours along Lands End. So, for now she has been using berth 2 for all her operations at Swartz Bay. Whether this will change in the next little while, I don't know.
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Post by gordon on Nov 30, 2008 19:46:52 GMT -8
I thought they were going to put mufflers on her like they did with The CR & I assume the CI.
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Post by DENelson83 on Nov 30, 2008 19:46:57 GMT -8
They already have.
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Post by WettCoast on Nov 30, 2008 20:47:08 GMT -8
Thanks for the answer Nick. Is one to conclude that the Coastal class noise controls have not produced the expected results?
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Post by Canucks on Nov 30, 2008 21:50:33 GMT -8
That was the original plan, but there have been numerous noise complaints from the neighbours along Lands End. So, for now she has been using berth 2 for all her operations at Swartz Bay. Whether this will change in the next little while, I don't know. My answer to this situation is; what was there first, the ferry dock or your house? If the answer was the ferry dock and you knowingly bought a house near it then I don't think they have reason to complain especially if BCF has attempted to stop the noise. I know a lot of people won't agree but that is just my opinion. |
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Post by Nick on Nov 30, 2008 22:37:50 GMT -8
From what I have heard, the noise isn't so much from the exhaust, as it is from the propellers. Apparently, the way the ship sits in berth 1 tends to amplify the "helicopter" noise that was ailing the Coastals earlier. I'm not sure what could be causing this, but it's what I've been told. The noise is a low frequency, and is causing damage to windows of neighbouring houses.
As far as the "ferry terminal was here first" argument goes, I agree that when you purchase a house nearby, you acknowledge there will be a certain amount of noise. I don't think you need to acknowledge, or accept, that the presence of the ferry terminal, and their expansion, will cause damage to your house or property.
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Post by Neil on Nov 30, 2008 22:56:51 GMT -8
As far as the "ferry terminal was here first" argument goes, I agree that when you purchase a house nearby, you acknowledge there will be a certain amount of noise. I don't think you need to acknowledge, or accept, that the presence of the ferry terminal, and their expansion, will cause damage to your house or property. Good answer, Nick. Hopefully we're not so callous a society that we automatically expect neighborhoods to forfeit their quality of life every time someone comes up with a new notion of 'progress'... in this case, noisier ferries. At least BC Ferries seems to be paying attention. |
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Post by Northern Exploration on Dec 1, 2008 8:48:28 GMT -8
That was the original plan, but there have been numerous noise complaints from the neighbours along Lands End. So, for now she has been using berth 2 for all her operations at Swartz Bay. Whether this will change in the next little while, I don't know. My answer to this situation is; what was there first, the ferry dock or your house? If the answer was the ferry dock and you knowingly bought a house near it then I don't think they have reason to complain especially if BCF has attempted to stop the noise. I know a lot of people won't agree but that is just my opinion. I tend to agree that within reason the home owners knew they were buying into an area that could have noise. Unless of course they bought before 1960ish  . I have cited the two examples from here before. The Toronto waterfront is lined with expensive Condos with a few lower income cooperatives and rentals thrown in. The Toronto City Centre Airport TCCA has been there forever. These owners have been involved with a constant fight to have the airport restricted and eventually closed. It has had jet aircraft restricted for many years with the exception of the odd air ambulance Learjet. Ironically the noisiest uses of the airport seems to be the air ambulance Sikorsky helicopters. The Toronto mayor had as one of his election stands the blocking of the bridge that was to be built to the airport across the narrow ship canal leading to the harbour. I think in the end the airport won some kind of settlement from the city over it. On Friday nights a handful of fools stand around a drum making noise with some placards, on the land side of the crossing to "fight" the airport. Porter airlines is now at the airport and doing a very good business with direct flights to Newark, Montreal, Ottawa and now Chicago and a few other locations. They use the Q400 model of the Dash 8. Mayor Hurricane Hazel in Mississauga was smart enough to insist that any developments in Mississauga that could be impacted by noise from the arrival and departure routes to Pearson Airport, have signs (at the developers cost) at every entrance to a subdivision that aircraft noise could be heard in this area. Now when they call city hall to complain they don't have a leg to stand on. Of course the airport has to satisfy noise restrictions as to operating hours and there are defined noise abatement departure routes and standards. For example aircraft are restricted to 3,000 feet while over populated areas on departure during certain hours. For example on one route all the overseas jets climb to 3,000 feet and then pull their throttles back creating much less noise and then climb out further once they are over Lake Ontario. I believe that BC Ferries should do all they can within reason to minimize the noise, they could take a page from the airports noise book. Airports have paid to upgrade windows on housing (good for energy savings) to minimize the impact of noise. They could errect signs at the entrance to streets cautioning about ferry terminal operations (people will object because they fear their property values will suffer once the terminal is highlighted). It could be that a noise blocking/absorbing wall like they build for freeways at an appropriate distance around the terminal end of the ferry to deaden some of the sound would help. |
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