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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2008 9:40:14 GMT -8
I read in the Times-Colonist that her propeller had hit a log, that's why she needs repairs done.
Just so that everybody knows the reason why it is taking her so long to get her into the dry dock.
When the Coastal Celebration left, they had to close the cassion and pump out the water. Blocks had to be reset for the SOBC. The Coastal ships and the Spirit Ships have different hulls, so they need to have different block configurations. Water gets pumped in again and the cassion is opened. The Spirit boat gets docked and the cassion is closed. The water gets pumped out, then repairs are made. When the repairs are done, water gets pumped back in, the cassion is opened and off she sails. The most time consuming element to all of this is the pumping in and out of the water. It takes longer to fill up or empty a drydock with no boats in it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2008 16:08:20 GMT -8
oh darn logs strikes strike again! ;D
i have heard about them making special props that are made to with stand log strikes? what about that.
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Post by Hardy on Aug 24, 2008 0:20:26 GMT -8
oh darn logs strikes strike again! ;D i have heard about them making special props that are made to with stand log strikes? what about that. You can only make them practically so tough, and then it becomes silly trying to "armour" them anymore - it becomes too much of a tradeoff. Besides, the best way to avoid damaging the prop with log strikes is to AVOID the logs in the first place! Just like anything, they will withstand a certain degree of impact before it causes significant damage; I imagine that a big enough log would either snap off or severely bend a prop blade, and that a really large one could damage the shaft and seal. |
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Post by CFG on Aug 24, 2008 9:08:23 GMT -8
SoBC is now docked at Swartz Bay in berth 1, and has been for a while. She was just going past Stuart Island when looked out the window this morning around 8:30. I would guess she docked shortly after 9.
I checked Siitech just after I saw her and she was making about 15.5kn, which doesn't really seem like she was in a hurry to get back into service.... if she goes into service today at all.
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Post by Canucks on Aug 24, 2008 10:33:15 GMT -8
She is now scheduled for service today. www.bcferries.com/bcfservicenotice?id=51740Posted Sunday, August 24, 2008 Print Version Updated August 24th @ 10:45 am We are please to advised that the Spirit of British Columbia's repairs have been completed ahead of schedule and the ship will be back in service this afternoon at 3:00 pm from Tsawwassen. We have added additional sailings this evening to assist with the anticipated heavy traffic volumes: Departing at 11:00 pm from Swartz Bay (Victoria) Departing at 11:00 pm from Tsawwassen (Vancouver) Please note that the 10:00 pm sailing of the Queen of Saanich from Tsawwassen has been cancelled. For updated sailing information please check our Current Conditions webpage or call toll free 1-888-BC FERRY (223-3779). We apologize for any inconvenience experienced as a result of these sailing cancellations. |
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Post by Mill Bay on Aug 24, 2008 21:53:34 GMT -8
oh darn logs strikes strike again! ;D i have heard about them making special props that are made to with stand log strikes? what about that. You can only make them practically so tough, and then it becomes silly trying to "armour" them anymore - it becomes too much of a tradeoff. Besides, the best way to avoid damaging the prop with log strikes is to AVOID the logs in the first place! Just like anything, they will withstand a certain degree of impact before it causes significant damage; I imagine that a big enough log would either snap off or severely bend a prop blade, and that a really large one could damage the shaft and seal. You just have to make them tough enough... ha-ha-ha. This is just based on a BC Ferries legend that relates how when the Sunshine Coast Queen arrived in Deas Lagoon for the first time, her propellers caught on some debris from the tunnel excavations nearby and apparently threw up boulders the size of volkswagons. Afterwards, there was apparently no noticeable damage to the propeller blades. The Susy-Q probably would have made tooth-picks out of any logs. |
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Post by Douglas on Aug 24, 2008 22:48:28 GMT -8
Lots of debris floating around this week so I'am not surprised one of the ships hit a log.
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Post by Northern Exploration on Aug 25, 2008 6:56:36 GMT -8
Logs and deadheads used to be even more of a problem then they are now. When we used to go to Long Beach there was up to 30 to 40 feet of driftwood on the beach every spring. The cabin owners would have to take chain saws and cut a path to get down onto the open beach. Made for amazing "forts" in the logs. The hippies would decorate and party in the larger voids that the helter skelter logs would make.
I think the props and hulls then were made for that sort of abuse and treatment because they had to be. Efficiency wasn't high on the priority list then so they weren't worried about how much fuel was sucked up. Mind you boat sinking wasn't a rare occurance either due to collisions, reefs and other accidents. Family friends lost a fishing boat and crew to a log strike in a storm.
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Post by kerryssi on Aug 25, 2008 9:32:34 GMT -8
They used to have "catchers" in the Fraser river to snag a lot of the logs before they got to the ocean. Since they got rid of them the number of logs and deadheads has increased considerably. A friend lost his 45 foot sailboat to a deadhead one night. It was gone in less than 3 minutes.
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Post by chinook2 on Aug 25, 2008 14:02:46 GMT -8
Was offline for the weekend, so wasn't keeping close track of these events, so I have a question.
The evening schedule manouvre on Sunday was unique--holding back the Vancouver and Saanich to 11pm. Any one know if those 11pm sailings were scheduled prior to the SoBC returning?? The only reason I could see for doing that, especially if reservations had been sold.
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Post by CFG on Aug 25, 2008 15:46:03 GMT -8
Yes, they were scheduled either Friday or Saturday. Originally the SoVI from Swartz at 2300 with a deadhead back, they changed it to be the Vancouver when the SoBC came back.
By the way, kudos to BC Ferries and the crew working at the Esquimalt drydock for getting her back early. There seems to be a lot of complaining on the forum and in the media when she went out do to an uncontrollable incident but, not even mention when she comes back nearly a full day early. BC Ferries also brought in a live band 'The Time Benders' at Swartz Bay to entertain people for the two or so extra hours that they maybe had to wait on Friday.
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Post by Scott on Aug 25, 2008 16:11:02 GMT -8
Did she come back a day early or did they just overestimate the repair time so they could say it came back early?  |
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Post by Douglas on Aug 25, 2008 16:34:45 GMT -8
It is all the super high tides we have been seeing is floating debris off the beaches. BCF was lucky to get the ship out of the water this quick.
BCF could have hung the 9.9 kicker off the back of the ship ;D
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Post by CFG on Aug 25, 2008 16:54:25 GMT -8
It's BC Ferries, do you really think that they work with that much forethought.... |
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Post by Gordon on Aug 28, 2008 9:47:28 GMT -8
When the Spirit Of B.C. was taken out of service last Thursday, Why could B.C. Ferries have taken the Queen of Coquitlam from the Langdale Route & moved it to Route 30 & swtched th CI to Route #1
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Post by Canucks on Aug 28, 2008 9:57:35 GMT -8
When the Spirit Of B.C. was taken out of service last Thursday, Why could B.C. Ferries have taken the Queen of Coquitlam from the Langdale Route & moved it to Route 30 & swtched th CI to Route #1 I don't think the crews on route 1 are trained for a Coastal. |
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Post by Hardy on Aug 28, 2008 18:31:11 GMT -8
I don't think the crews on route 1 are trained for a Coastal. Correct -- yet. Soon to be fixed. However, why is the New West still in refit? She would have been the easy fix to this entire problem. |
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Post by CN2972South on Sept 3, 2008 13:30:21 GMT -8
Heard on CFAX this morning that the Spirit of BC is having more mechanical troubles.
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Post by Hardy on Sept 3, 2008 15:04:54 GMT -8
SoBC missed one round trip today after being late on her first rounder. Back in service now, but there were some delays. Cappie was also one sailing short today with mech issues.
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Post by Ferryman on Sept 4, 2008 22:00:23 GMT -8
Here's an interesting video. Someone just happened to document a sailing onboard the SOBC a couple of days ago, when she had to sail to Tsawwassen at 13 knots, and going via Boundary Pass. The person docementing the sailing with video phoned into CKNW news to keep them afloat on the situation, and has added those audio clips to the video. Pretty much enough said right there, as it the video does the explaining...over, and over again. Enjoy!
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Post by Ferryman on Sept 5, 2008 21:23:24 GMT -8
Well, it now looks as if the "Ferrymans Theory", as I will call it now, seems to work for almost every class (the Major Classes anyway). Let me explain:
Most of us know the ship Class's pretty good, and the order that each sister was built in. My theory (well I know it's not mine, but for this post it is) is that the first sister ship built in each class is always the abused sister. For example: The Queens of Sidney, Victoria, Coquitlam, Capilano and also the SOBC and it won't be long for the CR. Those ships right there explain it all, as two of them are no longer in the fleet, and the others show the most obvious abuse.
Where am I going with this?
Well, lately the SOBC has been having chronic mechanical problems lately. But not necessarily do to lack of Maintenance down in the engine room. But even just looking at her in comparison to the SOVI, she's the more shabby looking one in most cases. I remember at one point, the railings at the stern on the Sundeck had pieces of plywood along the railing where the screens were. Now the latest form of abuse that has recently popped up....
Her platform decks are now Condemned by TC, leaving the SOVI as the only one with operable platform decks. The reasoning behind this, is due to lack of maintenance on the cables that hold the decks. Apparently there is no plans to fix this yet, so I'd imagine it will be only a matter of time until the SOVI has hers condemned as well.
Thumbs down on this one. The SOBC is in some ways the flagship of the fleet, seeming she's most photographed (aside from QoTN).
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Post by Mill Bay on Sept 5, 2008 21:33:17 GMT -8
Well, it now looks as if the "Ferrymans Theory", as I will call it now, seems to work for almost every class (the Major Classes anyway). Let me explain: Most of us know the ship Class's pretty good, and the order that each sister was built in. My theory (well I know it's not mine, but for this post it is) is that the first sister ship built in each class is always the abused sister. For example: The Queens of Sidney, Victoria, Coquitlam, Capilano and also the SOBC and it won't be long for the CR. Those ships right there explain it all, as two of them are no longer in the fleet, and the others show the most obvious abuse. Chris, would the former Queen of Esquimalt also happen to have been the older sister of that particular duo of Esquimalt and Saanich...? Because that would fit in very well with the theory. In that case, no. The Esquimalt is the younger one in that scenario. But she was the last V-Class to be built. So the theory is inversed in that case, but doesn't seem to be an issue among other vessels. |
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Post by Dane on Sept 6, 2008 0:13:32 GMT -8
The first in the class also tend to be inferior to the second, third etc... This doesn't hold as true for some of the vessels that were built simaltaneously though.
I didn't know the SoBC had lost use of her platform decks, when did that happen? TC must really not like these things, OR BC Ferries must not put effort into keeping them operable.
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Post by Mac Write on Sept 6, 2008 17:55:22 GMT -8
good way to make someone yell out "WHAT" by saying the SOBC's platform decks are condemned on TC. A real shocker.
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Post by Hardy on Sept 6, 2008 18:02:50 GMT -8
Re: platform decks -- just as anything else that is not used regularly and is rather in-accessible, maintenance tends to go awry. I would imagine that replacing the "deteriorated" parts (cables mainly, probably some pulleys) would require considerable out of service time, which currently is not planned. Seeing as Hahn claims that C's cannot due Rte-1, this again leaves no available spares until later on in the season.
For proper maintenace of the cables of the platform decks, it is something that either the first or last sailing of the day should deploy and test on a daily basis to ensure that things are kept moving.
Just my couple of cents worth on this.
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