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Post by WettCoast on May 16, 2007 20:52:56 GMT -8
More photos scanned from the DOT collection... The first four feature more views of the Alberni from before the time it had the upper car deck added up to the early 1990's.  Queen of Alberni arriving at Swartz Bay - c1980
photo © Mr. DOT by Wett Coast, on Flickr [/size]  Q of Alberni just off of Tsawwassen during trials following lifting - 18 June 1984 - photo by INFocus (J Barber) DOT Collection Q of Alberni just off of Tsawwassen during trials following lifting #2 - 18 June 1984 - photo by INFocus (J Barber) DOT Collection. Clearly the vessel was not fitted with main car deck doors at that time. Does the Dogwood blue colour look good, or what? Q of Alberni @ Tsawwassen ~ 1995 [photo by DOT] Q of Tsawwassen in Active Pass - winter sometime in the 1990's [DOT photo] |
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Post by WettCoast on Jun 10, 2007 22:11:22 GMT -8
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Post by WettCoast on Sept 6, 2007 17:29:11 GMT -8
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Post by Balfour on Sept 6, 2007 17:34:59 GMT -8
That's a rare find right there. The Alberni Freshly painted into Expo colours and the 'North in transition. The 'Vancouver looking glorious in the old Pastel Blue as well. And what I think is the Bowen Queen all white before being re-painted.
Great find!
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Post by queenofcowichan on Oct 27, 2007 17:47:37 GMT -8
What was the Alberni doing in Tsawwassen in 1987? The Nanaimo to Tsawwassen run did not start up untill May of 1990. I know when she was lifted they wanted to put her on the Langdale run and she was for a while, then she was put on the Horseshoe Bay to Departure Bay run. During Expo 86 the Alberni was scheduald to depart HB at Midnite instead of a 10pm sailing to allow people to come home after spending the day at expo.
I remember riding her a few times when she was first lifted. Note the Location of the front windows of the Passenger lounge. She was taken to a shipyard along River Road and had her passenger deck stretched again. I have seen her at this shipyard. (The same place where the Spirit ship's Superstructure was attatched to the Hull.
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Post by CN2972South on Oct 27, 2007 18:07:03 GMT -8
What was the Alberni doing in Tsawwassen in 1987? The Nanaimo to Tsawwassen run did not start up untill May of 1990. Storage? Or was she working Swartz Bay-Tsawwassen? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2007 18:10:43 GMT -8
Queen of Alberni did work on the Swartz Bay-Tsawwassen Route for awhile. I rode on her when she did the route in the 70's.
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Post by queenofcowichan on Oct 27, 2007 18:55:09 GMT -8
I AM unaware of the Alberni working route 1 with the upper car deck, or after 1984 to present but I could be wrong.
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Post by pscurr on Jan 14, 2008 20:28:42 GMT -8
Queen of Alberni  photo from Galiano Archives. |
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Post by Mill Bay on Jan 15, 2008 10:54:46 GMT -8
Every time I see a new picture of the Alberni aground in Active Pass, I'm always amazed that she didn't actually roll over. There must have been something about the shape of the reef that help to hold her up even at that angle.
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Post by physicist on Jan 15, 2008 12:47:51 GMT -8
How exactly was the Alberni removed from the reef, given the angle she was resting at?
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Post by Kam on Jan 15, 2008 14:08:32 GMT -8
Every time I see a new picture of the Alberni aground in Active Pass, I'm always amazed that she didn't actually roll over. There must have been something about the shape of the reef that help to hold her up even at that angle. Another thing that comes to mind.. How would you launch a rescue boat with that much of a list? In that picture you can see the are extended out on the high side of the ship. But I'm wondering about the boat on the low side, it would be on a good angle in its cradle and even with the line attached as soon as you would release the straps holding it down the boat could slide across the deck.. |
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Post by Nick on Jan 15, 2008 16:36:55 GMT -8
That picture was probably taken at low tide, so it would have risen a lot and made the angle less. I think I remember reading that she was hauled off the rocks late at night, which was probably to time it right for the high tide.
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Post by markkarj on Jan 15, 2008 18:55:22 GMT -8
Every time I see a new picture of the Alberni aground in Active Pass, I'm always amazed that she didn't actually roll over. There must have been something about the shape of the reef that help to hold her up even at that angle. I wonder if it would have rolled if it had been one of the other C class ships with an upper car deck, or even the lifted Alberni. I understand the B and V class ships have flatter bottoms. |
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Post by pscurr on Jan 15, 2008 19:00:06 GMT -8
The Alberni photo was taken I think from the Galiano Cemetery. If is a beautiful setting with a wonderful over the pass.
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Post by Scott on Jan 15, 2008 23:44:01 GMT -8
From what I remember, the ship was evacuated before the list got as bad as it is in that photo. When the tide lowered, her list got worse and at the time they were worried that she would roll over, but "everyone" was off by then.
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Post by WettCoast on Jan 16, 2008 18:58:27 GMT -8
More on the Queen of Alberni 1979 Active Pass grounding...  9 Aug 1979 - Victoria Times photo (B Halkett photographer) DOT collectionA close look at the photo reveals that the other end of the ferry was almost 'on shore' at the foot of the Galiano cemetery. Another article which I believe I posted on another thread some time ago.  Vancouver Province 16 Sept 1979 article |
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Post by pscurr on Jan 16, 2008 19:02:00 GMT -8
not much space between the reef and the cemetery at the best of times. again great information and photos .
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 16, 2008 20:13:40 GMT -8
A few comments re Wet Coast Kid's post of the Q-Alberni newspaper articles:
- off topic: but I was surprised to see that the newspaper "Victoria Times" was still a separate entity in 1979, and had not yet merged with the "Colonist" paper.
- I can't remember what happened with the Alberni's master Mr. Bahry. Did he return to active service at BC Ferries?
- The "collision avoidance" theme is interesting, and it's too bad that there wasn't GPS history back in that day.
- I've only now (after all these years) finally figured out where the Collinson Reef is: it's the seal-sunning rock with the beacon-marker, just in front of the Cemetery. I know that place !
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Post by Nick on Jan 16, 2008 20:42:14 GMT -8
It is interesting that they say that Bahry was very familiar with the vessel. According to the Bannerman book "Ships of British Columbia", it was his first time sailing her.
"The unhappy circumstance was in August 1979 when he took command of Queen of Alberni for the first time, a far different ship from the traditional vessels of BC Ferries. ... But a more important difference in this instance was that the jumbo "double enders" have a deep V shaped hull configuration, unlike the shallow and flat bottoms he was used to on the rest of the fleet. The 7 am sailing on August 9 was Bahry's first crossing of Active pass in this new class of ship. Midway through the pass, he heard the terrifying crunch of Collinson Reef against the hull of his ship."
Also from Bannerman:
"The tribunal ruled that Bahry had committed "an error of judgement" (the mildest form of rebuke) and he was quickly reinstated by BC Ferries to full command."
The above quotes are from pages 102-103.
I find it interesting also, that the Bannerman book doesn't mention that the Queen of Tsawwassen was anywhere nearby.
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Post by kylefossett on Jan 16, 2008 20:52:11 GMT -8
the queen of tsawwassen was nowhere at all near the scene. the queen of sidney was the route 9 vessel on this day. as i have posted before in other threads. the queen of sidney held off village bay area eventually cruising up trincomli channel to porlier pass and on to tsawwassen.
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Post by Nick on Jan 16, 2008 21:10:09 GMT -8
Well, it is mentioned in the article that was posted on the previous page in the thread that the Tsawwassen was in the pass at the time, and it was avoiding her that the Alberni ran up on the rocks.
I am not saying you are not correct Kyle, as the media has always been known to be somewhat innacurate in the area of Ferry Facts, but I am defending myself saying that she was reported to be in the pass at the time.
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Post by Mill Bay on Jan 16, 2008 21:47:03 GMT -8
From what I remember, the ship was evacuated before the list got as bad as it is in that photo. When the tide lowered, her list got worse and at the time they were worried that she would roll over, but "everyone" was off by then. Do we know in what fashion the evacuation proceeded in terms of how many passengers used lifeboats vs the chute, or how many were willing to use the evacuation chute? Also, whether or not the mention of Queen of Tsawwassen was correct, we do know from numerous accounts that there was another ferry there at the time. Sounds like the media need to be a little more faithful to writing the correct details in their little black notebooks sometimes, but just because they didn't we don't need to start hair-splitting each other as well. |
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Post by Curtis on Jan 16, 2008 22:01:20 GMT -8
When you think about it it could have been either one. Anyone have information on where the Two Sidney Class Vessels were located at that time? By the way, what way was the Alberni going? To Tsawwassen or Swartz Bay? The Direction she was going might solve if it was the Sidney or Tsawwassen. [edit]Then Again They Both Could have both been involved[/edit]
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Post by WettCoast on Jan 16, 2008 22:13:11 GMT -8
the queen of tsawwassen was nowhere at all near the scene. the queen of sidney was the route 9 vessel on this day. as i have posted before in other threads. the queen of sidney held off village bay area eventually cruising up trincomli channel to porlier pass and on to tsawwassen. The newspaper accounts from the time all say that the Tsawwassen was there. Are you saying that they and the investigators are wrong?  The Province - 10 Aug 1979 (DOT collection) |
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