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Post by EGfleet on Apr 12, 2015 7:16:13 GMT -8
I'm putting this one here as they pass either the Queen of Sidney or Tsawwassen--not sure which, nor do I know what ferry it is being filmed from. Whoever filmed it did not identify the boat.
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Post by westernflyer on May 27, 2015 10:27:24 GMT -8
I'm putting this one here as they pass either the Queen of Sidney or Tsawwassen--not sure which, nor do I know what ferry it is being filmed from. Whoever filmed it did not identify the boat. Just a side note... I believe the Seiner in view at 0:49 is the Skidegate, once one of the prettiest and best kept classic fishing vessels on the BC coast. She was owned by Canfisco until the late nineties when she was disposed of along with several other wooden boats including the Cape Dorset and Cape Churchill. |
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Post by FNS on May 27, 2015 12:29:09 GMT -8
I'm putting this one here as they pass either the Queen of Sidney or Tsawwassen--not sure which, nor do I know what ferry it is being filmed from. Whoever filmed it did not identify the boat. If you notice the face of the mechanical space ahead of the funnel, it was curved. The QUEEN OF ESQUIMALT and QUEEN OF SAANICH had this as well as the BURNABY trio. On the QUEEN OF VANCOUVER and QUEEN OF VICTORIA, on the other hand, the face was flat with the mast ahead of it. When the VAN and VIC were stretched, triangular pieces of steel were welded at each side of the flat face to give it a more streamlined look when viewed at the side. All of this was changed when the four vessels were "lifted" in the early 1980s. It would have been good if the passing ferry showed more detail. If this had a triangular piece of steel in the transitional area of deckhouse height levels below the forward part of the funnel, this would have been the QUEEN OF SIDNEY. This piece of steel had a curve and a notch on the QUEEN OF TSAWWASSEN. Nice scene from, most likely, the 1970s!  |
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Post by WettCoast on May 27, 2015 17:27:58 GMT -8
Near the beginning of the film, you can see what appears to be the start of construction on berths 3 & 4. That took place in 1974 - 75 I gather so that provides a better determination of the date.
Later in the video there are shots through the wheelhouse windows. As there are no lowered windows evident, that indicates that this is either the Esquimalt or the Saanich (the B-class vessels worked route 2 only).
As for the '1960 original', it is very likely the Sidney working route 9. At that time she was a regular on that route. The Tsawwassen was still working route 2 as a regular until the Queen of Surrey I (the North) came along in the summer of 74. Where she was re-assigned I don't know.
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Post by WettCoast on Aug 2, 2015 11:21:04 GMT -8
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Post by Variable Pitch on Aug 2, 2015 11:46:40 GMT -8
It's either the Saanich or Esquimalt. The giveaway are the bridge windows and funnel. The V's had the extra structure aft of the funnel (which this one has), where the B's had the funnel go straight down to the lounge. The bridge windows are the same straight across. The Vic and Van had square windows, with the center three lower at the bridge controls. Since these windows are taller and uniform, it's either the Saanich or Esquimalt. The silhouetted ship she passes is either Sidney or Tsawwassen.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 12:24:08 GMT -8
It's the Sidney (length of the name). The raised forward lounge is the giveaway.
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Post by Mike C on Aug 2, 2015 13:45:17 GMT -8
Looks to me like Swartz Bay, Berth 4/5... |
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Post by mylesrs on Aug 3, 2015 12:21:08 GMT -8
What are the chances of getting aboard the vessel for a tour? Is the owner friendly? I was down there last night for a look but nobody was present.
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Post by mylesrs on Aug 3, 2015 13:00:33 GMT -8
Does anybody have a link for the Canadian puckers episode on the queen of Sidney? Also are there any other derelict vessels nearby I have already checked out the old mc Donald's barge from expo 86.
Yours sincerely a keen explorer. I would love to see inside this old ship!!
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Post by Mike C on Aug 4, 2015 10:46:36 GMT -8
What are the chances of getting aboard the vessel for a tour? Is the owner friendly? I was down there last night for a look but nobody was present. The short answer is not likely. Even if the owner of the vessel did grant you permission to be aboard, I think most of us would advise you not to go, due to the biohazards and many, many safety-related issues on board. Your best bet is to observe from a distance. |
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Post by gulfislandkayaker on Aug 5, 2015 17:41:35 GMT -8
I really miss the Tsawwassen/Sidney twins. The way you had to hold on to your food in the shaking cafeteria when they were backing out of port. The great outdoor area at the stern...which was a great place to play as kids. Especially since they vented the galley smells back there... These were truly the ships of my youth...the new ICF's will be the ferries I will enter "old age" while riding.  |
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Post by WettCoast on Aug 5, 2015 18:15:07 GMT -8
The great outdoor area at the stern...which was a great place to play as kids. Especially since they vented the galley smells back there... All seven of the 'Seven Sisters' originally had the same outdoor space and cafeteria ventilators distributing food odours at the stern. When they were stretched that was unfortunately lost. |
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Post by EGfleet on Aug 10, 2015 4:49:50 GMT -8
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Post by WettCoast on Aug 10, 2015 10:00:48 GMT -8
With regard to EGF's post above: The photo on the left is from the prom deck mid-ship lounge; the other photo is from the forward lounge. You can see one of those 'trade-mark' curved windows that were found on the Sidney twins & can still be seen on the Coho.  see the window directly under the mast ... It is always interesting to see photos of the ship's interiors from 'way back when'. Thanks EGF. |
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Post by westernflyer on Oct 3, 2015 20:26:52 GMT -8
  Launching of the 'Sidney', later Queen of Sidney. Scanned from a faded and slightly damaged print found at a garage sale. Photo by Jorgen V. Svendsen |
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Post by WettCoast on Jan 15, 2016 16:13:26 GMT -8
From my brother David's camera (aka Mr. DOT), summer 1970. David was then a crew member aboard the Sidney... Life Boat Drill, Queen of Sidney @ berth 3 (today's berth 4), Swartz Bay Terminal - Summer 1970. There is plenty of detail in this photo for a ferry nerd to look & compare the BC Ferries of old, with what we see today. One such item was something unique about the original two new builds (the Sidney twins) that they had, but the boats built later did not have. The feature I am thinking about is evident in this photo. David took this pic on a Kodak Instamatic, not quite measuring up to today's Nikon D5. 
© Mr DOT by mrdot., on Flickr |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 15, 2016 21:46:41 GMT -8
One such item was something unique about the original two new builds (the Sidney twins) that they had, but the boats built later did not have. The feature I am thinking about is evident in this photo. I loved that special feature on the Sidney/Tsawwassen. Queen of the North had it too. |
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Post by Kahloke on Jan 16, 2016 7:21:00 GMT -8
One such item was something unique about the original two new builds (the Sidney twins) that they had, but the boats built later did not have. The feature I am thinking about is evident in this photo. I loved that special feature on the Sidney/Tsawwassen. Queen of the North had it too. If it's the item I think you are alluding to, when did Sidney/Tsawwassen lose that particular nice feature? Queen of Tsawwassen in 2008  |
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Post by minstrel on Jan 16, 2016 9:21:35 GMT -8
The feature which MV Sidney and Tsawwassen had along with the MV Coho is the Raised forward Viewing Lounge
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 16, 2016 9:35:33 GMT -8
The feature which MV Sidney and Tsawwassen had along with the MV Coho is the Raised forward Viewing Lounge I was going for the wooden handrails. But yes, I missed the obvious raised forward lounge. I loved that feature, although it was obviously from an earlier era when accessibility wasn't a mainstream concern. |
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Post by Ferryman on Jan 16, 2016 12:07:46 GMT -8
As far as I know, even with reference to the "Queens of British Columbia" book, is that the Sidney was built with the teak handrails on the outer decks. The Tsawwassen however, did not have the teak handrails ever. Needless to say, teak handrails are becoming a thing of the past. The Cruise ship I worked on that was built in 2002 has teak handrails. However, I had a tour of a brand new cruise ship, the Anthem of the Seas, and the handrails are a false teak that is a plastic derivative. As nice as the teak handrails are, they can be fairly high maintenance. If they're not maintained very well, it will show immediately. Plenty of sanding and varnishing required |
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Post by WettCoast on Jan 16, 2016 16:53:38 GMT -8
As far as I know, even with reference to the "Queens of British Columbia" book, is that the Sidney was built with the teak handrails on the outer decks. The Tsawwassen however, did not have the teak handrails ever. Chris, I can't say for sure, but I believe that the Sidney's twin sister did have the wooden railing in the beginning. Have a look at this photo showing the Tsawwassen in Horseshoe Bay in June 1969 when she was one of the route 2 regulars ... Perhaps they were not teak? Edit: Have a look also at this Rick Horne photo from March 1974 ... Both ships had wooden railings on the prom deck. The sun deck had metal top railings from 1960. Why did the Tsawwassen loose the wooden railings while the Sidney 'still' has them? I have no idea. The Tsawwassen's railings were all metal by Expo year (1986).
It was the railings that I was referring to. But there were other aspects of the original two that were unique to them (among BCF new builds) such as having three life boats aside, & having the raised forward lounges (like their cousins the Coho & Alaska's 'Blue Canoes'). Another thing that they kept, as compared to their heavily modified 'cousins' (the Seven Sisters) was the abundance of outside deck space which was lost on the 'Sisters' when they were stretched. My brother's photo also gives a good look at a bit of how the Swartz Bay Terminal looked 45 years ago. The Sidney is docked in berth 3 (today's berth 4) which remained looking much the same until they were completely rebuilt just a couple of years ago. Also, look at the people in the life boat. Some appear to be women in 'street clothes', so are they passengers? Are drills ever done nowadays with passengers? |
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Post by mrdot on Jan 16, 2016 20:18:42 GMT -8
always remember the added wood to her outer rails as an added touch of the VMD quality build from my summer working days and as a regular on the Swartz Bay spare board during my Uvic study years, and it galls me to think of the dignity she has endured up the creek from my retirement world here in Tsawwassen! mr.dot.
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Post by paulvanb on Jan 16, 2016 22:15:06 GMT -8
The Sidney and Tsawwassen also had three davits on each side! The others only had two.
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