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Post by lmtengs on Sept 13, 2010 23:04:30 GMT -8
Would she be of any use to BC Ferries, or are they totally, surely, 100% done with her? It would be nice having a surplus boat around. Just give her a big huge refit similar to that last one on the 'New West, and BOWM! We've got ourselves a pretty-much-almost-or-maybe-not-so-much new ferry! She'd be great running in these kinds of situations where we're putting the 'wack right now. Or, she could replace the Bowen Queen on 9a, and the Bowen Queen could go to surplus/retirement/something similar. I feel slightly chipper tonight....  |
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Post by fargowolf on Sept 14, 2010 6:59:17 GMT -8
"If" she was to be purchased with the intention of being used as a ferry again, The amount of capital require to get her up and running alone, not to mention upgrading her to current safety requirements would be astronomical.  On paper, it simply wouldn't be worth it finance wise. Out in the field of course, there would be routes that she would be a great fit for.  |
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Post by mrdot on Sept 14, 2010 9:07:30 GMT -8
I remember doing up a drawing of our Q of Tsawwassen when Graham's mom was our mayor, and resurecting it would be as difficult as bringing back the council of that day, or bringing back the dogwood, for that mater. It seems incredible that all of these first generation ferries of bc ferries are gone but the ferries of the same vintage are operating in Alaska, and the forerunner, mv Coho still runs to Pt. Angeles. mr,dot.
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Post by Neil on Sept 14, 2010 9:52:28 GMT -8
I remember doing up a drawing of our Q of Tsawwassen when Graham's mom was our mayor, and resurecting it would be as difficult as bringing back the council of that day, or bringing back the dogwood, for that mater. It seems incredible that all of these first generation ferries of bc ferries are gone but the ferries of the same vintage are operating in Alaska, and the forerunner, mv Coho still runs to Pt. Angeles. mr,dot. Six of the fourteen or so vessels built for BC Ferries between 1960 and 1965 are still in service. I'd say that's a pretty good record for longevity, especially when you consider that most of the departed ones are pretty recent retirees. I'm not sure that we should be overly proud of keeping ancient vessels in service, when you look at the Europeans with their stricter adherence to modern marine safety standards, and their vastly newer fleets. We seem to be more in line with the Asian and African nations, namely, run the boats until they're so old they're falling apart. Keeps the fans happy, if nothing else. Maybe one of the reasons for the extremely high subsidy Alaska gives AMH- relative to the passengers they carry- is the cost of maintaining old vessels. And I suspect the trust that runs the Coho keeps her in such good condition mainly because they can't afford the outlay for a newer, more efficient vessel. CV, as for your 'chipper' notion of BC Ferries buying back the ' Tsawwassen; maybe you should get together with those nostalgic souls who are musing about putting the remains of the Klickitat back together down in Mexico as an antidote to the Chetzemoka's woes. |
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Post by mrdot on Sept 14, 2010 10:12:31 GMT -8
yes mr neil, I wax nostalgic for my old Bennett;s navy, and you are quite rite when you say the maintenence costs of running these old generation ferries is steep, but dumping all our old heritage is not a good option as well. Some of this new stuff is not all that much of an improvement, ie. the nearly new norad, which is in worse condition than my old Rupert! mr.dot. At least our frends in Washington still have the green, and the black ball!
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 27, 2010 13:24:15 GMT -8
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Post by Mike on Nov 28, 2010 11:33:09 GMT -8
In honor of the Tsawwassen's 51st birthday, here are two postards. This one is interesting because they've cut down the steel at the bow, but have yet to install the railing.  Here's a later view, looks like they've removed a couple of portholes, and added a few openings for added ventilation on the cardeck.  I always thought this was a neat little ship. Seeing the variety of assignments she got, I see now how her smaller size made her quite versatile, and helped make her a valuable asset in later years, even after she had been bumped off other routes by larger, newer ships. |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 28, 2010 14:42:25 GMT -8
You've got to laugh at the postcards that can't even spell the ship's name correctly.  |
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Post by Mike on Nov 28, 2010 16:17:54 GMT -8
You've got to laugh at the postcards that can't even spell the ship's name correctly. I hadn't even noticed that they misspelled it. |
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Post by mrdot on Nov 28, 2010 16:46:21 GMT -8
:)one of the benifits of having lived more than half of my adult life here in Tswawwassen, is having learned to spell it! however I have not relied on spellcheck so many mistakes and typos are present in my posts, so please forgive that, and any other transgressions.mrdot. |
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Post by Mike on Nov 28, 2010 17:04:51 GMT -8
:)one of the benifits of having lived more than half of my adult life here in Tswawwassen, is having learned to spell it! however I have not relied on spellcheck so many mistakes and typos are present in my posts, so please forgive that, and any other transgressions.mrdot. Spellcheck thinks the correct spelling of Tsawwassen is incorrect anyway.  It thinks it should be corrected to "Wassermann" |
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Post by WettCoast on Nov 28, 2010 19:47:26 GMT -8
In honor of the Tsawwassen's 51st birthday, here are two postards. This one is interesting because they've cut down the steel at the bow, but have yet to install the railing. I am looking at this photo and am thinking that 'yes, they have installed the railing'. This photo had to have been taken in 1965 at the earliest. If you look at the stern you will see that she is flying the Maple-leaf Flag which did not become Canada's official flag until the 15th of February, 1965. She is also clearly named Queen of Tsw... . The 'Queen of' prefix did not come about until 1963. The steel plate railing at the bow was removed very early in her life, even before the expanded restaurant was added. The same goes for her sister ship. BTW, the Tsawwassen does look pretty spiffy in this view. |
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Post by Mike on Nov 28, 2010 21:23:26 GMT -8
In honor of the Tsawwassen's 51st birthday, here are two postards. This one is interesting because they've cut down the steel at the bow, but have yet to install the railing. I am looking at this photo and am thinking that 'yes, they have installed the railing'. This photo had to have been taken in 1965 at the earliest. If you look at the stern you will see that she is flying the Maple-leaf Flag which did not become Canada's official flag until the 15th of February, 1965. She is also clearly named Queen of Tsw... . The 'Queen of' prefix did not come about until 1963. The steel plate railing at the bow was removed very early in her life, even before the expanded restaurant was added. The same goes for her sister ship. Thanks for filling in the details, I knew the change occurred early on, but wasn't sure if they removed the steel railing before or after the restaurant was expanded. BTW, the Tsawwassen does look pretty spiffy in this view. The annual repainting of ships back then definitely helped keep any surface rust from appearing. I also imagine that the less restrictive environmental laws at the time allowed them to do touch-ups, without having to take the ship out of service. |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 28, 2010 21:43:27 GMT -8
from a forum archived post from 2006, done by member Retro. - this is from the Beautiful BC magazine. ============ Sidney Class vessel leaving Departure Bay, Nanaimo  |
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Post by WettCoast on Nov 28, 2010 21:56:53 GMT -8
That Sidney-class vessel was most likely the Tsawwassen. She was a regular on route 2, serving as the fourth vessel along with the 3 B class for more than ten years in the 1960's and on into the 70's. In 1974 she was replaced by the 1st Queen of Surrey, and ultimately by the C-Class in 1976.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Nov 29, 2010 19:41:17 GMT -8
From a forum archived post from Nov.2006 by member Retro: - at Tsawwassen =================== Both the Spirit of British Columbia and the venerable Queen of Tsawwassen were in-port at the time we were leaving      |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 3, 2010 22:02:49 GMT -8
From an archived post from late 2007 by FerryMan: - I like the clean shot of the car-deck showing the cropped-platforms. =================  |
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Post by WettCoast on Dec 30, 2010 18:57:41 GMT -8
Here is a larger version* of the drawing of the Tsawwassen that is currently in use as Mr. DOT's sig pic. This is his original artwork.  This drawing depicts the Tsawwassen at her namesake terminal in about 1985 when the Expo livery had just replaced the original pastel blue. * An even larger version can be seen by clicking on the drawing. These are hosted on My Flickr photo site.
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Post by EGfleet on Jan 19, 2011 21:13:41 GMT -8
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Post by mrdot on Jan 19, 2011 22:07:24 GMT -8
:)thank-you for posting the tsawwassen retirement pic, I'm glad to see it is looking more prosaic than her sister, and those goasted out slugs help the picture. also appreaciated is your signature pic of Bainbridge in her winter setting! :)mrdot.
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Post by lmtengs on Jan 20, 2011 15:17:24 GMT -8
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Post by hullnumbers on Jan 20, 2011 17:42:49 GMT -8
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on Jan 20, 2011 18:46:34 GMT -8
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Post by WettCoast on Apr 3, 2011 9:39:32 GMT -8
I have displayed the following photo previously on this here forum. In fact, it can be found on page 1 of this thread. The main purpose in redisplaying it now is to introduce the second photo, the one of BC's parliament buildings from 1971.   1971 was the centennial of BC becoming a province within the federation then called the Dominion of Canada. The garish red graphic painted on the sides of BC Ferries in 1971 combines the years 1871-1971 with the '3-C' (C-C-C) graphic symbolizing the 'Centennial of Confederation with Canada'. Click on the second photo to go to a higher res photo that shows in better detail what this symbol actually looked like. Top photo is from the DOT collection; the photographer for the second photo was the late Dr. Max Edwards of Victoria. Both photos are hosted on the Wett Coast Flickr Photo Site. |
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Post by bigair on Jul 10, 2011 20:46:03 GMT -8
Long time lurker here. It is getting dark and it is off in the distance, but it appears that the Q of T is being towed northward off the southern tip of Quadra Island. It is lit and is being towed by the MV Promoter. I will endeavor to post a picture when I figure out how.
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On paper, it simply wouldn't be worth it finance wise. Out in the field of course, there would be routes that she would be a great fit for. 
