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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2008 22:53:11 GMT -8
Tsawwassen's cracked rudder is being repaired. Other than that I have heard no other news, on what they are doing to the two ferries in the dry dock.
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Post by Retrovision on Jan 30, 2008 23:15:14 GMT -8
Tsawwassen's cracked rudder is being repaired. Other than that I have heard no other news, on what they are doing to the two ferries in the dry dock. We pretend to be so green these days, and yet our still semi-public marine highway, BCFS, has known of this rudder crack, emitting copious ammounts of toxic fluid, since the summer or earlier as we can only surmise. Then again, Ed Stelmach's Alberta won't significantly reduce greenhouse gas emissions before 2050, so who should we be to complain when our leader, Grodon Campbell, atleast attempts to question his SoCred party's targets and pull on the reigns he has access to as much as possible and makes *real* attempts to combat today's greatest enemy to our childrens' future   |
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Post by Mill Bay on Jan 30, 2008 23:38:01 GMT -8
So, if she's for sale now, what about all the fill in work she is apparently supposed to do?
Will they continue to operate her with a big 'for sale' sign in the forward lounge window?
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Post by Retrovision on Jan 30, 2008 23:39:20 GMT -8
So, if she's for sale now, what about all the fill in work she is apparently supposed to do? Will they continue to operate her with a big 'for sale' sign in the forward lounge window? I hope that's rhetorical, you know they not only can, but more to the point will  |
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Post by shipyard on Jan 31, 2008 0:11:57 GMT -8
Tsawwassen's cracked rudder is being repaired. Other than that I have heard no other news, on what they are doing to the two ferries in the dry dock. We pretend to be so green these days, and yet our still semi-public marine highway, BCFS, has known of this rudder crack, emitting copious ammounts of toxic fluid, since the summer or earlier as we can only surmise. Then again, Ed Stelmach's Alberta won't significantly reduce greenhouse gas emissions before 2050, so who should we be to complain when our leader, Grodon Campbell, atleast attempts to question his SoCred party's targets and pull on the reigns he has access to as much as possible and makes *real* attempts to combat today's greatest enemy to our childrens' future What fluid would one find inside a rudder? |
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Post by DENelson83 on Jan 31, 2008 1:26:49 GMT -8
Yeah, and it took about 15 years after the SOBC was built before I actually got to board her for the very first time.
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Post by D'Elete BC in NJ on Jan 31, 2008 4:14:07 GMT -8
We pretend to be so green these days, and yet our still semi-public marine highway, BCFS, has known of this rudder crack, emitting copious ammounts of toxic fluid, since the summer or earlier as we can only surmise. Then again, Ed Stelmach's Alberta won't significantly reduce greenhouse gas emissions before 2050, so who should we be to complain when our leader, Grodon Campbell, atleast attempts to question his SoCred party's targets and pull on the reigns he has access to as much as possible and makes *real* attempts to combat today's greatest enemy to our childrens' future What fluid would one find inside a rudder? Rudderitium. Didn't the Tsawwassen have an ongoing oil leak? I thought I remember reading that elsewhere on the forum. Maybe that is what Retro is referring too. |
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Post by Retrovision on Jan 31, 2008 6:32:17 GMT -8
What fluid would one find inside a rudder? Rudderitium. Didn't the Tsawwassen have an ongoing oil leak? I thought I remember reading that elsewhere on the forum. Maybe that is what Retro is referring too. My information comes from a BCFS staff memeber regarding a "steering pannel", which I assumed was referring to atleast part of a rudder, and in fact I've mentioned this on the forum before, besides mention of an ongoing oil leak or not. |
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Post by Mill Bay on Jan 31, 2008 9:07:09 GMT -8
So, if she's for sale now, what about all the fill in work she is apparently supposed to do? Will they continue to operate her with a big 'for sale' sign in the forward lounge window? I hope that's rhetorical, you know they not only can, but more to the point will I was being both rhetorical and literal with this. Does the fact that she's for sale mean she is instantly out of service, or is BCFS just announcing that it's for sale but still fully intend on getting every last ounce of use out of her just to make sure she's truly mechanically destroyed in preparation for service in South America or wherever they convince that she is still in operable condition. I'm just wondering, because most cars that you see for sale by owner generally tend to be not operating on the side of the road, so why are they declaring the ferry as for sale if they plan to still operate it. Besides, wasn't she already supposed to have sold already, as in not just 'for sale' but the sale was confirmed already. |
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Post by Retrovision on Jan 31, 2008 14:18:37 GMT -8
I hope that's rhetorical, you know they not only can, but more to the point will I was being both rhetorical and literal with this. Does the fact that she's for sale mean she is instantly out of service, or is BCFS just announcing that it's for sale but still fully intend on getting every last ounce of use out of her just to make sure she's truly mechanically destroyed in preparation for service in South America or wherever they convince that she is still in operable condition. I'm just wondering, because most cars that you see for sale by owner generally tend to be not operating on the side of the road, so why are they declaring the ferry as for sale if they plan to still operate it. Besides, wasn't she already supposed to have sold already, as in not just 'for sale' but the sale was confirmed already. I'm reminded of the Queen of Esquimalt, among the group now publically up for sale and yet scheduled for service on Route 30 until March. |
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Post by Mill Bay on Feb 1, 2008 14:33:49 GMT -8
I was being both rhetorical and literal with this. Does the fact that she's for sale mean she is instantly out of service, or is BCFS just announcing that it's for sale but still fully intend on getting every last ounce of use out of her just to make sure she's truly mechanically destroyed in preparation for service in South America or wherever they convince that she is still in operable condition. I'm just wondering, because most cars that you see for sale by owner generally tend to be not operating on the side of the road, so why are they declaring the ferry as for sale if they plan to still operate it. Besides, wasn't she already supposed to have sold already, as in not just 'for sale' but the sale was confirmed already. I'm reminded of the Queen of Esquimalt, among the group now publically up for sale and yet scheduled for service on Route 30 until March. Now, apparenty, according to a blog I just read somewhere, they've already recieved two offers on the Queen of Tsawwassen. I wonder who they would be. |
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Post by kylefossett on Feb 1, 2008 16:52:53 GMT -8
yes, they have recieved 2 inquiries about the queen of tsawwassen. this was mentioned in the news article in the province newspaper
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Post by hwy19man on Feb 1, 2008 17:36:46 GMT -8
I was being both rhetorical and literal with this. Does the fact that she's for sale mean she is instantly out of service, or is BCFS just announcing that it's for sale but still fully intend on getting every last ounce of use out of her just to make sure she's truly mechanically destroyed in preparation for service in South America or wherever they convince that she is still in operable condition. I'm just wondering, because most cars that you see for sale by owner generally tend to be not operating on the side of the road, so why are they declaring the ferry as for sale if they plan to still operate it. Besides, wasn't she already supposed to have sold already, as in not just 'for sale' but the sale was confirmed already. I'm reminded of the Queen of Esquimalt, among the group now publically up for sale and yet scheduled for service on Route 30 until March. The Esquimalt is scheduled to stay on route 30 until the end of April. |
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Post by Kam on Feb 3, 2008 23:42:57 GMT -8
I had a chance to chat with David Hahn on the C/R open house and I asked him if there are any plans for a retirement ceremony for the Tsawwassen.
He says although there are no firm plans yet, he definitely wants to see something to honour such a historic ship. He mentioned how much historical significance the old girl has and that there are lots of BCF employees all over the fleet that served on her at one point or another that would like a chance to say goodbye. He says that one of the ideas is to take her on a farewell cruise around the major terminals.
As for her last days he says she will be around for the summer, but no firm final dates are set. Everything is dependent on what timelines are negotiated by her buyers.
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Post by Ferryman on Feb 20, 2008 23:04:56 GMT -8
For now, I've compiled only a few clips from our group trip on the Queen of Tsawwassen last Decemeber. It's mainly focused on her heavy vibrations when the ship starts running in reverse, and then the sudden silence as the engineers shut the engine down to switch the reverser over to forward again. One of the clips also shows a bit of a hard landing at Long Habour on Saltspring Island, and how long it takes for it to get settled into the berth because of the switching back and forth from forward to reverse. More to come later.  |
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Post by chinook2 on Mar 21, 2008 14:28:40 GMT -8
Long time listener, first time caller....
I am encouraged to hear that David H. is open to the idea of an event cruise to pay off the Tsawwassen. This is something I have been thinking about for some time, and I have an idea that would be a great send off and a chance for BCFS to honour its own heritage for a change.
A weekend of special trips, with proceeds going to BC Maritime museum, and Vancouver Maritime Museum.
First Day:
1st trip leaves Tsawwassen, to Swartz Bay, perhaps with stops at Gulf Island terminals. Passengers debark, and transport to BC Maritime museum, and possibly other attractions.
Passengers from Victoria board and do round trip, again possibly with stops in one direction.
upon return to Swartz Bay original group from Vancouver reboards for return to Tsawwassen.
After trips, ship repositions to Departure Bay
Next day, similar scenario, with passengers from the Island side laying over and going to the Vancouver Maritime Museum. A special triangle route would include a stop at Langdale for groups from each side.
I believe this covers all of Tsawwassen's historic regular assignments (don't think she's ever done route 30, correct me if I'm wrong). And very importantly, brings her back to Route 1, where she started.
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Post by Hardy on Mar 21, 2008 15:03:51 GMT -8
Sounds like you put some deep thought into your first post, C2. Good to have you aboard, and nice to see a well reasoned first post! I believe that you are right on the money with your observations. However, whether anything of the like will be borne out remains to be seen.
I would expect, that if she is to retire near the end of the summer season, that she may do "second boat service" on a few of the major routes as part of her farewell tour. This way she will still be in active revenue service for BCFS and they will not be "losing any money" in running her as a show pony.
I do like your idea, however, for perhaps a last hurrah for 3 days of fame or something. I like the idea about the Museum and fundraising - nice tie in!
I personally think it would be kind of neat having her do 2nd boat on Rtes1-2-3 - even with her reduced capacity, just for the historical value. Obviously we would want to shy away from having her do this on a long weekend (with the exception of perhaps Rte-3). I think it would be kind of neat in a way to have her running opposite say both the Spirits and the Coastal as an opportunity for some great photos! BCFerries Future meets its History (or Predecessor) ... etc ... lots of chances for neat photo titles.
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Post by Retrovision on Mar 22, 2008 1:48:54 GMT -8
C2, welcome aboard! Hardy can be trusted to give you the truth in as many words as possible (no offence, good buddy ) but I'm not ashamed to tell you like it is... Politicians generally only think in terms of pomp and circumstance when absolutely necessary, i.e. a majority of possible votes are behind it. A few days after DH apparently told the Jervis Inlet crew of our venerable Queen of Tsawwassen imminent retirement - according to a deckhand - I was told by the deckhand in the same impromptu conversation that DH assured this man's crew, upon being asked, that she'd be given a formal decommissioning cerecemony. Whether I trust the word of such crew members or not, especially based on unqualifiable rhetoric spouted by some, I will maintain that DH is a politician by proxy merely by the body who hired him and controls his office, and as such he will only order pomp and circumstance if the majority demands it, no differently than with politics. Do not rely on rhetoric, it's only a way of diverting your say over politicians already very much laid out plans. If you want a ceremony, demand it. And remember, someone got our Queen to stay on our ferries. |
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Post by Hardy on Mar 22, 2008 7:32:56 GMT -8
Hardy can be trusted to give you the truth in as many words as possible (no offence, good buddy ) Thanks for the left-handed compliment, I think ...  Are you implying I am too verbose? I can hit terse mode also. Should they? Yes Will they? Maybe Will what they do be fitting? Prolly not Are we going to? Hell yeah Better?  |
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Post by WettCoast on Aug 20, 2007 23:35:36 GMT -8
 Q of Tsawwassen - Gulf Islands - late 1980's [DOT Photo]This photo was taken by my brother. I have obtained a large number of negatives from his collection. I think the photo was taken when the Tsawwassen was on the Salt Spring - Tsawwassen run, likely in the late 1980's. |
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Post by Mill Bay on Dec 18, 2007 22:22:56 GMT -8
Wow Pscurr!
Those photos are incredible and very artistic, and the capture a lot of the human element of the ferries as well.
I really like the ones of the Sechelt Queen, and the original Queen of Vancouver. I've been examining various old photos lately, and noted the similarity of the pre-stretched V-s to the Sidney and Tsawwassen. In particular, they used to have the same raised upper sun deck lounge with stern windows in it that I love so much about the Tsawwassen. I wonder why the deck houses were extended right to the stern during the stretching with the result that that sweeping stern view was lost.
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Post by pscurr on Dec 18, 2007 23:10:56 GMT -8
thanks for all the positive comments. I think they eliminated the stern view during stretching of the Vancouver to accommodate the restaurant prep area. From what I understand they started the upstairs facility as a department of Transport crewing requirement. When the requirements for crew were modified years later, so went the restaurant.
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Post by Retrovision on Dec 8, 2006 12:48:22 GMT -8
IMHO the vessel that most-deserves the title of Flagship of the fleet today is the Queen of Tsawwassen, for many reasons. I had the opportunity yesterday to sail the Southern Gulf Islands and admire this working legend.
At Berth 2, Tsawwassen terminal, in the morning
Sailing the Gulf Islands
Arriving at Otter Bay, Pender Island at dusk
Sailing into the night on the Milk Run
Next Port of Call, Village Bay, Mayne Island - flanked by the Bowen Queen, filling-in for the Mayne Queen
And the Queen of Cumberland arrives - 3 classes of Southern Gulf Islands ferries just after dusk
As per usual, the crew of the Queen of Tsawwassen expertly find their way in the dark with seeming ease
And she catches-up to her schedule no different than her many younger sisters, arriving quite close to shedule after being about a half hour late leaving Pender Island
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Post by WettCoast on Aug 12, 2007 7:23:28 GMT -8
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Post by queenofcowichan on Sept 5, 2007 18:09:43 GMT -8
I was thinking that for the Tswn's final sailing she should sail a special Decomissioning cruise from Tsawwassen to Swartz Bay. Upon arrival at Swartz Bay she would be formaly decomisioned.
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