fivetwo
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Post by fivetwo on Nov 26, 2005 0:56:10 GMT -8
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Post by fivetwo on Nov 26, 2005 1:10:46 GMT -8
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Post by Quinsam on Nov 26, 2005 13:46:12 GMT -8
Nope, well, what are they gonna be used for?
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Post by Ferryman on Mar 15, 2006 21:17:21 GMT -8
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Post by QSaanich on Mar 15, 2006 21:41:21 GMT -8
Wow um are they up for sale agian or that is from 2002.
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Post by Balfour on Mar 15, 2006 22:10:20 GMT -8
I think that is from 2002.
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Neil
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Post by Neil on Mar 15, 2006 22:48:55 GMT -8
Hey, I hope PR Teen and Strong Skier won't mind if an 'NDP idiot" crashes the party.... While I agree with the general consensus that the fast ferries didn't turn out so well, I really think we need to keep some perspective here. First, its very rare that a major public work ever comes in on budget. The bloody Olympics are still four years away, and already, its becoming evident that what they're going to cost, as opposed to what we were told they were going to cost, is going to make the fast ferries cost overrun look like chump change. Second, a huge part of the supposedly criminal amount of money spent on the 'cats went to paying the wages of BC workers- it supported BC families, who payed a part of it back in income and sales taxes- and a good part of the corporate profits made by firms working on the ferries stayed in BC also. Compare that to our current government shipping every penny of work on the three super C boats overseas- no BC workers paid, no taxes coming back to government- and suddenly Mr. Hahn's fiscal expertise isn't so apparent. Third, from a marine engineering point of view, at the time, some experts thought it wasn't such a bad idea to be involving BC shipyards in such innovative projects. Some people, and not just NDP hacks, thought there might be an opportunity for BC shipyards to revitalize themselves with cutting edge technology, and find overseas markets, providing BC with long term jobs in what you would think should be a natural industry for a coastal province. In hindsight, it didn't quite work out, but at least we took a chance on doing it here in BC, with BC workers, and when you factor in all the costs, wages, taxes paid, and skills gained, I don't think it was quite the heinous crime Mr Campbell's people would have you believe. And rest assured, if there was any way to make those ferries work, after Campbell was elected, he sure as hell wasn't going to look for it.
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Post by ferrytraveller on Mar 16, 2006 12:23:24 GMT -8
Rest assured, if there was any way to make those ferries work, after Campbell was elected, he sure as hell wasn't going to look for it. i definately agree with you on that |
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Post by Quinsam on Mar 16, 2006 13:39:03 GMT -8
As said once: "The car deck was a hall of mirrors." Looks spacious though, it is better than the V class vehicle decks because the V's barely have enough space to open the car door, let alone get out of it! The Pacificat car deck seems to have more room for opening doors. Pacificat vehicle deck:  V Class vehicle deck: www.pbase.com/kstapleton/image/43999035 |
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Post by ferrytraveller on Mar 16, 2006 13:57:10 GMT -8
well i travelled on the pacific cats a few times, and i always found they were pretty nice on the inside and had enough interior space, though that may have been because i was littler. but one thing i didn't like was the lack of outdoor space
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Post by Quinsam on Mar 16, 2006 18:44:56 GMT -8
I thought the thing looked ok too, but the stairs were too steep and narrow, were there escalators on the fast cats?
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Post by Dane on Mar 16, 2006 18:51:19 GMT -8
I thought the thing looked ok too, but the stairs were too steep and narrow, were there escalators on the fast cats? Elevators... escalators, I believe, were only on the Coq and Cow. They were immensly unreliable. |
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Post by Ferryman on Mar 16, 2006 19:03:34 GMT -8
The only Ferry with Escalators still, is the Alberni. It was a thing they put on the first 3 C-Class, I guess they thought of it as a nice luxury. Then it immediately turned into a huge annoyance. There was only one staircase you could use to navigate the different floors of the ferry, with one elevator.
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Post by Ferryman on Mar 16, 2006 19:26:37 GMT -8
Also, Jordan pointed out something interesting today. Just by how the light was shining on the Explorer today, we ccould faintly see the BC Ferries Logo underneath the Seaspan Logo.
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Post by Neil on Mar 16, 2006 20:22:22 GMT -8
Despite my earlier defense of the Fast Cat project, I've got to admit that one of the really stupid things about them was the nice shiny ceiling on the car deck; talk about nutty, and who knows what it cost. The cafeteria was also really inadequate, and I thought the whole feel to the inside of the ship was kind of cold and sterile, like some Scandinavian singles bar. Not that I'm familiar with Scandinavian singles bars, but, I can imagine.
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Post by Ferryman on Mar 16, 2006 20:30:50 GMT -8
Well, someone has to do something with the Cats. The weather and the salt water is really taking its toll on the ferries. The last 10 pictures are from today, and are better quality than the last ones I took a few months ago. photosbychris2006.fotopic.net/c844161.htmlSeeming tripod doesn't like it when I post pictures on this forum, and then logoff of their site, they make sure it doesn't appear on here. So here is the picture of the Seaspan logo, with the silloette of the old BC Ferries logo. photosbychris2006.fotopic.net/p26997498.html |
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Post by Quinsam on Mar 23, 2006 19:15:57 GMT -8
If the Island was closer, then a bridge would be a good Idea, but the island is slowly going out to sea, and it turning upside down eastwards as it does.
Where was the Koror-Babeldaob Bridge? That disaster was catastrophic, I mean, a 790 ft long concrete box girder bridge, suddenly collapsing in the middle and falling into the sky blue water?! What happened to it anyway?
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Post by Retrovision on Mar 23, 2006 19:46:47 GMT -8
what year was it built? such architecture is quite safe and reliable today; much has changed. I'm assuming that it would be a Confederation Bridge-style project.
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Post by Doug on Mar 23, 2006 19:57:33 GMT -8
The Island is not moving Harry....
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Post by Quinsam on Mar 23, 2006 19:59:55 GMT -8
Sinking then, put it how you like.
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Post by Dane on Mar 23, 2006 20:32:21 GMT -8
Sinking then, put it how you like. The whole world moves, it has to do with tectonic plates. It's a non-issue. |
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Post by Dane on Mar 27, 2006 12:40:18 GMT -8
Shelve.. that's my bet. I hope I'm wrong. There seems to be a lot of popular support for competition to BC Ferries.
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Post by lest69 on Mar 28, 2006 0:01:04 GMT -8
The Island is not moving Harry.... Actually, it IS moving relative to the mainland. Vancouver Island is moving an average of 4-5 mm per year eastward. It is also moving up at about 8 mm/year. Over a period of 50 years, the island would be almost half a meter higher and a quarter of a meter closer to the mainland. This assumes the motion continues as it has been, which might not be the case. They would have to build in hinging and allow for compression to allow for this movement. This would add another cost to the bridge. |
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Post by Dane on Mar 28, 2006 0:43:37 GMT -8
The Island is not moving Harry.... Actually, it IS moving relative to the mainland. Vancouver Island is moving an average of 4-5 mm per year eastward. It is also moving up at about 8 mm/year. Over a period of 50 years, the island would be almost half a meter higher and a quarter of a meter closer to the mainland. This assumes the motion continues as it has been, which might not be the case. They would have to build in hinging and allow for compression to allow for this movement. This would add another cost to the bridge. Again, this is the case wth the whole world.... I wouldn't dispute the fact of it. I would dispute the relevence. |
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Post by Neil on Mar 28, 2006 11:58:13 GMT -8
What an interesting and diverse group we all are, eh? Ferry freaks and plate tectonics gurus all rolled into one. Since we've established that Vancouver Island is moving, I suggest that we solve the whole transportation problem by helping it move a bit faster. Tie a couple of gigantic cables to, say, Mt Washington and Mt Arrowsmith, tie the other ends to a couple of points on the mainland, and sloooowly, gradually, winch them tighter.... kind of like is sometimes done with teeth.... and, voila! A few thousand years later- no Georgia Strait,and all our descendants on this board will have to switch to conversing about the problem of incomplete matter transport through wormholes, or something.
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