Doug
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Post by Doug on Nov 15, 2005 15:19:19 GMT -8
What ever happened to the shrink wrap on the Voyager? I think these ferries are the heaviest of their type in the world as well...that would probably be a big cause of the wake.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Nov 15, 2005 16:02:10 GMT -8
They are not the heaviest. There are some in Europe that are bigger in Europe that still run today.
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Post by Quinsam on Nov 15, 2005 16:02:20 GMT -8
The Cats are fast, the wake will be larger if the ship speeds along at a faster speed, and also depends how big the boat is in width.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Nov 15, 2005 16:07:28 GMT -8
If you check out Stena Line's Fleet. They have 3 vessels of a class that is bigger than the Pacificats.
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Post by Dane on Nov 16, 2005 12:21:08 GMT -8
You're wrong Harry .... Why was the wake felt 2KM away - when she was at low speed? Because it was felt by MIMBY Bowen Island Residence. Pictures they submitted of "damage" were later found to be storm related. There's something they weren't going out of their way to tell you. |
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Post by Alex on Nov 16, 2005 19:11:01 GMT -8
I therefore gather that you don't know about the calculation that is done for the Wake - Wash - Wave height? So what members are good at Math ? Your wrong Harry .... Why was the wake felt 2KM away - when she was at low speed? Probably because they were designed to work at top speed. From what I've read and heard about catamaran hulled ships, they generate the most wake when coming up to speed. I'm good at math, but I'm not familiar with the equations for wake, wash, and wave height. Wave height I may be able to figure out, but the wake and wash would be functions of the shape of the hulls, and therefore extremely complex. Fluid system are very difficult to model. |
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Post by Dane on Nov 17, 2005 15:00:57 GMT -8
Shore erosion should stop at a point though, a point that probably wouldn't be too detrimental to the marine life of BC. Particularly considering all the other crap we do it out waters... unfiltered waste, over development, shore extensions...
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Post by Scott on Nov 17, 2005 22:21:41 GMT -8
I was near the Wreck Beach area of UBC (IN THE WINTER!) when the PacifiCats were in operation... they went by, oh, probably 10km away... about 10-15 minutes later there were huge waves crashing on the beach. Probably 10 times larger than normal for that day.
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Post by Quinsam on Nov 20, 2005 10:54:15 GMT -8
wow, I had a dream last night that I was on a beach and a Pacificat went by about 1 mile away, and then huge waves crashed onto the beach, I suspect John's words got to my head.
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Wern't the Pacificats supposed to replace the V's? I think that one of those Cats on Route 1 would be a good Idea, in case one ferry is missing/out for repairs/refit.
I think that I would like to ride one, I wonder what Seaspan is going to do with them, right now they are sitting in NV doing nothing.
After all, the Cats were Single enders.
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Post by Ferryman on Nov 20, 2005 14:40:32 GMT -8
They wouldn't work properly on route 1 at all. I heard they weren't the greatest for turning because they were too long and under powered. Plus the wake did enough damage to the shore on Bowen Island and the ferries did run pretty close to Bowen Island, so imagine what the wake would be like in Active Pass...
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Nov 20, 2005 15:11:57 GMT -8
I suggest maybe looking to the same thing with the Chinook and Snohomish going through Rich Passage (between Bainbridge Island and Manchester) people thought that when those ferries went by fast it was like a tsunami. My belief is it was B-S. If WSF had a better lawyer they would have won and another lawsuit is coming on them. Now the people of Bainbridge accused the ferries of eroding the shores. THE SHORES ERODE ANYWAYS AND WATERS WILL DAMAGE BULKHEADS DONT BLAME IT ON SOMETHING ELSE JUST TO GET MONEY! The regular vessels that run between Seattle and Bremerton, they did not make big deals about it but they did about the fast boats. I wonder why? Probably because they do not like the view of wake. What can I say?
People on Bainbridge are rich, greedy, slobs.
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Post by Balfour on Nov 20, 2005 15:50:13 GMT -8
Just like people in West Van!
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Doug
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Post by Doug on Nov 20, 2005 16:21:56 GMT -8
As well as the whiners in Tsawwassen.
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Post by Quinsam on Nov 20, 2005 19:59:15 GMT -8
They wouldn't work properly on route 1 at all. I heard they weren't the greatest for turning because they were too long and under powered. Plus the wake did enough damage to the shore on Bowen Island and the ferries did run pretty close to Bowen Island, so imagine what the wake would be like in Active Pass... Why not run them through Boundary Pass? and at full speed, I agree they should have fixed the problem of tsunami waves coming into the beach. |
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Nov 20, 2005 20:20:07 GMT -8
*guzzle**guzzle**guzzle* takes way too much fuel. It was a bad design and they are good for nowhere except scrap or head them to Europe or rebuild the engines and maybe make them better for service.
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Post by Curtis on Nov 20, 2005 20:54:09 GMT -8
Glenn Clark what a nut running BC's Economy and Fast Ferries into the ground
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Post by Balfour on Nov 20, 2005 20:57:37 GMT -8
Glen Clark was an idiot and the NDP is still full of Idiots.
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Post by Dane on Nov 20, 2005 21:13:21 GMT -8
*guzzle**guzzle**guzzle* takes way too much fuel. It was a bad design and they are good for nowhere except scrap or head them to Europe or rebuild the engines and maybe make them better for service. &**&^(*^*(&^*(&& they already did that!!! I don't think people realize how rorally screwed BC citizens were with the sale. |
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Post by Quinsam on Nov 22, 2005 20:03:37 GMT -8
Here is an idea! Faster service to Prince Rupert, I looked on a map and you cannot drive up the coast from Vancouver to Prince rupert can you? so, the 3 Pacificats can run between Prince Rupert and Port Hardy, but fix them to guzzle less gasoline.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Nov 22, 2005 20:11:40 GMT -8
How many times do we have to tell you. THEY GUZZLE GAS! BAD DESIGN! That is why they are laied up in North Van.
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Post by Ferryman on Nov 22, 2005 20:44:58 GMT -8
It costs enough to take that route up there anyway, let alone to put the Fastcats up there. Plus there isn't enough demand, and they would have to be modified to have rooms for people to stay in, because it probably wouldn't be that much shorter of a trip, because they only saved 15 mins on route 2. Finally, I don't know if the hull design at high speed could handle the huge swells that the Pacific Ocean has to offer. It just doesn't work......
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Post by Doug on Nov 22, 2005 21:29:31 GMT -8
With stabilisers, I'm sure the Pacificats could easily operate in those seas...possibly not because of the low bottom, but generally dual-hulled ships operate better in swells coming from the sides, as they do in the Queen Charlotte Sound. However, the Pacificats were not built to handle passengers for 10 hours. The Inside Passage is also pretty narrow in most points, ESPECIALLY with small towns such as Bella Bella in its path. The people of Bella Bella already don't like the ships coming through...imagine what they will think when they get ocean swells in their marina.
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Post by Ferryman on Nov 22, 2005 22:01:09 GMT -8
LoL, it was bad enough with the people in West Van and Bowen Island complaining about the ferries' wake a couple of miles off shore. But imagine what everyone would think up north if a Fastcat just ripped up the Inside Passage just a few meters off of shore.
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Post by Doug on Nov 22, 2005 22:03:22 GMT -8
I guess they wouldn't call it the "Discovery Coast" anymore..."some of the world's most unexplored coastline"....
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Nov 23, 2005 15:37:07 GMT -8
Probably it would look like a hurricane struck small towns.
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