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Post by compdude787 on Dec 12, 2013 12:38:44 GMT -8
It would be interesting to find out how this happened. Yeah, I do hope this doesn't keep happening, as it is not good for a ship of any size to scrape up on rocks.
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Post by Starsteward on Dec 12, 2013 13:34:37 GMT -8
It would be interesting to find out how this happened. Yeah, I do hope this doesn't keep happening, as it is not good for a ship of any size to scrape up on rocks. That old girl is going to be the death of me! This latest "touching-bottom" incident, while certainly not the most serious boo boo inflicted on her old hide, it is by my count, the 4th grounding in her long history. Two well-known serious incidents while the QPR, and now at least two lesser incidents as the Lomaiviti Princess. Perhaps there is a correlation between 'Princess' and 'Queen' as the lower the rank, the lesser the seriousness of the incidents become. However, tack on an on-board fire through sabotage, thus since becomming a 'Princess' and one might begin to wonder if the old girl is begining to behave like an old wild west saloon gal, giving a piece of her mind to any ornery bloke that gets in her way. Maybe it is because Goundar shipping has painted the lower hull section black, but that bow shot of her in the Fiji Sun paper, does look a bit odd to me as it seems rounder that it should be. May the old QPR/LM roll along, adding more colourful pages to her fabulous history, but GIRL, we are going to have 'words' if you keep acting up
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Post by mrdot on Dec 12, 2013 14:15:57 GMT -8
:)rite from her first years to the present, QPR has been well acquainted with 'touching bottom' but then soldgering on! is quite a testament to her VMD one time shipbullding ability that is now a distant memory! :'(mrdot.
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on Dec 16, 2013 14:02:10 GMT -8
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 16, 2013 15:24:49 GMT -8
A 120 metre Canadian vessel, eh? Could it finally be that the NorAd will permanently depart our waters?
Queen of Chilliwack is approx 115 metres long. - that's close to the 120 and it makes sense regarding vessel surplus status. But it's not within the "in 2 weeks" timeline.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2013 16:10:30 GMT -8
A 120 metre Canadian vessel, eh? Could it finally be that the NorAd will permanently depart our waters?
Queen of Chilliwack is approx 115 metres long. - that's close to the 120 and it makes sense regarding vessel surplus status. But it's not within the "in 2 weeks" timeline. 99.88 meters, according to BCF stats. She carries 115AEQ's. I think the main deck takes 75? SC Commuter troll, over.
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Post by hergfest on Dec 16, 2013 18:14:18 GMT -8
Queen of Tsawwassen is 103m. Norad is 117m. What other Canadian Boat would be available? The Chilliwack isn't surplus yet.
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Post by mrdot on Dec 16, 2013 18:42:41 GMT -8
:)if we say good bye to the norad I won't cry, but they better not need bow loading capability! should we send any spare parts? like some of crusty's cabenit! mrdot.
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Post by compdude787 on Dec 16, 2013 21:31:35 GMT -8
Queen of Chilliwack is approx 115 metres long. - that's close to the 120 and it makes sense regarding vessel surplus status. But it's not within the "in 2 weeks" timeline. 99.88 meters, according to BCF stats. She carries 115AEQ's. I think the main deck takes 75? SC Commuter troll, over. It says 99.88 meters on BCF's website, but on Scott's West Coast Ferries.ca website, it says that the Wack is 114.58 m long. I don't necessarily trust BCF's website, given that they can't get their vehicle capacity figures for certain vessels right.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 16, 2013 21:48:21 GMT -8
99.88 meters, according to BCF stats. She carries 115AEQ's. I think the main deck takes 75? SC Commuter troll, over. It says 99.88 meters on BCF's website, but on Scott's West Coast Ferries.ca website, it says that the Wack is 114.58 m long. I don't necessarily trust BCF's website, given that they can't get their vehicle capacity figures for certain vessels right. John's website is where I got my 115m (rounded up), that I posted today. I don't know if anyone on this forum has inside-information, but for me I've just got my guesses and this out-of-the-blue story of Fiji wanting to buy a ferry from North America. Here is my thinking out-loud on the matter: I am certain that it is not the NorAd, because BCFerries is committed to using Norad late this coming winter on the inside-passage & Haida Gwaii routes. AMHS' Tustumena is very much needed in Alaska, so she's not being sold. Queen of Chilliwack, despite the discrepancies in length from various sources, seems to be the most logical vessel, given her upcoming surplus availability. If a North American open-ocean ferry is to be sold to Fiji, it might be from the east coast, but I don't know of any surplus ships. There's a summer cruise-ferry that serves the Magdalen Islands from Quebec. It can't be a Marine Atlantic ship, because all of those are charter vessels. An interesting guessing game, that might not even be a game. Who knows if the Fiji operator is really serious or not about acquiring another ship.
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Post by compdude787 on Dec 16, 2013 21:57:30 GMT -8
I really don't think that Goundar is going to want the Chilliwack, no matter how much BCF begs them to take it. First of all, it seems like they want to use this third vessel to serve PNG from Fiji. The Chilliwack could NOT do that. It's just too slow, and probably not seaworthy. He'd probably prefer the NorAd, since it has a proper bow and stern. But then again, BCF can't really give up the NorAd; as much as we dislike her, we all know that BCF needs two northern vessels in the summer, and if they started building a new vessel to replace the NorAd, Mr. Goundar wouldn't have the NorAd for 4 more years. But he wants this third vessel to be in service by March next year. So, what Canadian ferry operator would have a suitable ship available for him to use? I don't know about Marine Atlantic, either--AFAIK they don't have any new vessels in the works that would allow them to let an older vessel go.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2013 22:25:31 GMT -8
Just speculating, but the 'Chilliwack is needed until March 10th on route 7. And the route 40 elimination, while fairly set in stone, isn't quite official. Not saying that it isn't happening, but if you look at the BCF website, they mention on the affected route schedules, "changes may occur on April 1st."
If we get rid of this vessel, there is no way of providing relief for routes 7, 9 or 17. She isn't going anywhere yet.
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Post by Taxman on Dec 17, 2013 12:43:31 GMT -8
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Post by Starsteward on Dec 17, 2013 13:30:53 GMT -8
I don't see any of the 3 old Queens being a vible option for Goundar Shipping given that there was reference to an emphasis on 'cargo' service etc. I agree that the "WAK" isn't an appropriate vessel either and if BC Ferries is considering seasonal use of the 'Norad', I am led to wonder if in fact BC Ferries is Mr. Goundar's 'supply target'. Let's start doing a forensic scouring of all shipping/ferry companies on the East Coast, maybe have a look at something operating on the Great Lakes as well. Ship brokerage agents would also be a source of vessels currently laid up and for sale.
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Post by compdude787 on Dec 17, 2013 13:31:13 GMT -8
Lol, and none of them are available for sale for three years.
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Post by compdude787 on Dec 17, 2013 13:52:50 GMT -8
99.88 meters, according to BCF stats. She carries 115AEQ's. I think the main deck takes 75? SC Commuter troll, over. It says 99.88 meters on BCF's website, but on Scott's West Coast Ferries.ca website, it says that the Wack is 114.58 m long. And, according to Transport Canada, the Chilliwack is 93.91 meters long. So we have three different sources listing three different lengths for one vessel!
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Post by compdude787 on Dec 17, 2013 14:00:53 GMT -8
The NorAd is considered a "passenger" vessel in TC's database but when I do an advanced search for all passenger vessels, nothing comes up. Their website is kinda messed up...
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Dec 17, 2013 18:56:51 GMT -8
It says 99.88 meters on BCF's website, but on Scott's West Coast Ferries.ca website, it says that the Wack is 114.58 m long. And, according to Transport Canada, the Chilliwack is 93.91 meters long. So we have three different sources listing three different lengths for one vessel! I would trust the Transport Canada because legally they need to know the length of the ship for safety reason. I highly doudt it will be another BC Ferry because we need most of them still for service or to replace another vessel during maintenance.
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Post by Ferryman on Dec 17, 2013 19:48:22 GMT -8
That must be a Length Between Perpendiculars (LBP) measurement, which would be measured from the stem at the waterline to the rudder stock. The Length Overall (or LOA, which is measured from the forward most extremity to the after most extremity) of all the V's and B's is 129.97m.
I have 100.5m LOA for the Chilliwack
Goundar must be looking for a vessel on the East Coast, since there can't be any vessel around here of that size on the market. Plus, not to mention that he seems to be only purchasing old vessels that are near or at their expiry date. A vessel like the Norad would likely be right out of his price range (realistically).
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Post by WettCoast on Dec 17, 2013 23:11:27 GMT -8
Perhaps Goundar has been reading this forum & is seeking to acquire the QPR's sister, the Queen of Kelsey Bay, or possibly the Richmond. I heard a rumour that one or both of those vessels may be available.
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Post by mariner42 on Dec 18, 2013 7:29:08 GMT -8
That must be a Length Between Perpendiculars (LBP) measurement, which would be measured from the stem at the waterline to the rudder stock. The Length Overall (or LOA, which is measured from the forward most extremity to the after most extremity) of all the V's and B's is 129.97m.
I have 100.5m LOA for the Chilliwack
Goundar must be looking for a vessel on the East Coast, since there can't be any vessel around here of that size on the market. Plus, not to mention that he seems to be only purchasing old vessels that are near or at their expiry date. A vessel like the Norad would likely be right out of his price range (realistically).
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Post by mariner42 on Dec 18, 2013 7:32:19 GMT -8
Perhaps Mr. Goundar is looking at Ms Madeleine which looks like 122 M LOA.
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Post by FNS on Dec 18, 2013 10:59:25 GMT -8
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Post by Mike C on Dec 18, 2013 16:01:33 GMT -8
Aloha and mahalo for this post, FNS. I really get the impression that this is the vessel Mr Goundar intends to purchase. A good 14 years younger than the QPR, she would certainly have some good life left, even by BCFS standards.
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Post by FNS on Dec 18, 2013 16:37:51 GMT -8
Aloha and mahalo for this post, FNS. I really get the impression that this is the vessel Mr Goundar intends to purchase. A good 14 years younger than the QPR, she would certainly have some good life left, even by BCFS standards. I think it's alright for me to post this photo from the above site under CC. Yvon Maurice is the author of the photo. This vessel has a few items similar to the LP1 such as a forward promenade and some forward viewing from the cabin. A closeup indicates a bow that can open up.
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