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Post by Neil on Nov 12, 2013 18:31:48 GMT -8
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Post by Kahloke on Nov 12, 2013 18:48:28 GMT -8
That is cool! If my wife and I ever do the Maritimes / Coastal New England trip we've been talking about, I'll have to make sure the trip includes this ferry. Given our finances right now, I don't see us doing this for a few years, so hopefully this new ferry won't be short-lived experiment.
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Post by Nick on Nov 12, 2013 20:34:37 GMT -8
As the resident east coast ferry geek, I'll do my best to get down that way next year. No promises though... it is a 7+ hour drive.
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Post by Neil on Nov 16, 2013 23:14:39 GMT -8
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Post by Kahloke on Mar 16, 2014 14:03:09 GMT -8
I just created a thread for the new Nova Star ferry. Things are not looking too good for the company right now. They are planning on commencing service on May 1st, and here it is the middle of March and you still cannot buy tickets or make a reservation. In the meantime, the ship has already left Singapore for the long journey to Boston, its first stop. Here's an article on the ship's departure: www.pressherald.com/news/Nova_Star_ferry_departs_from_Singapore_.html
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Post by SolDuc on Mar 16, 2014 16:09:32 GMT -8
Are you sure this is not the Spirit of Las Vegas or some kind of new BC Ferries experiment prior to having casinos on their boats?
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Post by Kahloke on Mar 21, 2014 13:50:13 GMT -8
It appears Nova Star has finally gotten approval to publish fares and sell tickets, which they say they will do by the end of next week. It's not their final hurdle, but I guess they are one step closer to making this happen. And, not surprisingly, they've delayed their start date by a couple of weeks. www.mainebiz.biz/article/20140320/NEWS0101/140329999
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Post by Kahloke on Mar 30, 2014 12:56:12 GMT -8
The schedule and 2014 fares are now published on Nova Star's website, novastarcruises.com/schedule/fares. I was doing a comparison between Nova Star's fares and the Inside Passage fares during the peak summer traveling period. Here's the breakdown: BC FERRIES INSIDE PASSAGE DAY CRUISE - 16 hour crossingAdult Passenger Fare: $197.75 Vehicle Fare (standard car): $451.25 Reserved Seating in Aurora Lounge: $35.00 Inboard Cabin: $90.00 Outboard Cabin: $120.00 NOVA STAR CRUISES - Yarmouth to Portland - 9-10 hour crossingAdult Passenger: $139.00 + $5.00 port fee = $144.00 Vehicle Fare (standard car): 199.00 + $6.00 port fee = $205.00 Reserved Recliner Seat: $49.00 Cabin prices range from $99.00 for an interior cabin all the way up to $249.00 for the Owner's Suite My initial take is that Nova Star seems to be reasonably priced given the length of the crossing. The vehicle fare surprised me. I was expecting a much higher price for a car. On the other hand, the passenger fare seems kind of high relative to the vehicle fare, which makes me wonder if the low vehicle fare is just for this year to entice customers, and after that, they will raise it quite a bit. In any case, when we do our Coastal New England / Maritimes trip (which will most likely be in the summer of 2015), I think Nova Star will be beyond our budget. I calculated $591.00 for the two of us, our car, and two recliner seats.
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Post by Neil on Mar 30, 2014 22:05:23 GMT -8
The schedule and 2014 fares are now published on Nova Star's website, novastarcruises.com/schedule/fares. I was doing a comparison between Nova Star's fares and the Inside Passage fares during the peak summer traveling period. Here's the breakdown: BC FERRIES INSIDE PASSAGE DAY CRUISE - 16 hour crossingAdult Passenger Fare: $197.75 Vehicle Fare (standard car): $451.25 Reserved Seating in Aurora Lounge: $35.00 Inboard Cabin: $90.00 Outboard Cabin: $120.00 NOVA STAR CRUISES - Yarmouth to Portland - 9-10 hour crossingAdult Passenger: $139.00 + $5.00 port fee = $144.00 Vehicle Fare (standard car): 199.00 + $6.00 port fee = $205.00 Reserved Recliner Seat: $49.00 Cabin prices range from $99.00 for an interior cabin all the way up to $249.00 for the Owner's Suite My initial take is that Nova Star seems to be reasonably priced given the length of the crossing. The vehicle fare surprised me. I was expecting a much higher price for a car. On the other hand, the passenger fare seems kind of high relative to the vehicle fare, which makes me wonder if the low vehicle fare is just for this year to entice customers, and after that, they will raise it quite a bit. In any case, when we do our Coastal New England / Maritimes trip (which will most likely be in the summer of 2015), I think Nova Star will be beyond our budget. I calculated $591.00 for the two of us, our car, and two recliner seats. I think the fares are pretty reasonable... especially when you consider that the government of Nova Scotia is only subsidizing this route to the tune of $3 million a year. The tourism generated will probably pay that investment back several times over.
Makes me wonder why BC Ferries needs such a massive injection of cash to serve the now shrivelled route ten. Too many offices on Fort Street, perhaps?
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Post by Starsteward on Mar 31, 2014 8:07:52 GMT -8
The schedule and 2014 fares are now published on Nova Star's website, novastarcruises.com/schedule/fares. I was doing a comparison between Nova Star's fares and the Inside Passage fares during the peak summer traveling period. Here's the breakdown: BC FERRIES INSIDE PASSAGE DAY CRUISE - 16 hour crossingAdult Passenger Fare: $197.75 Vehicle Fare (standard car): $451.25 Reserved Seating in Aurora Lounge: $35.00 Inboard Cabin: $90.00 Outboard Cabin: $120.00 NOVA STAR CRUISES - Yarmouth to Portland - 9-10 hour crossingAdult Passenger: $139.00 + $5.00 port fee = $144.00 Vehicle Fare (standard car): 199.00 + $6.00 port fee = $205.00 Reserved Recliner Seat: $49.00 Cabin prices range from $99.00 for an interior cabin all the way up to $249.00 for the Owner's Suite My initial take is that Nova Star seems to be reasonably priced given the length of the crossing. The vehicle fare surprised me. I was expecting a much higher price for a car. On the other hand, the passenger fare seems kind of high relative to the vehicle fare, which makes me wonder if the low vehicle fare is just for this year to entice customers, and after that, they will raise it quite a bit. In any case, when we do our Coastal New England / Maritimes trip (which will most likely be in the summer of 2015), I think Nova Star will be beyond our budget. I calculated $591.00 for the two of us, our car, and two recliner seats. I think the fares are pretty reasonable... especially when you consider that the government of Nova Scotia is only subsidizing this route to the tune of $3 million a year. The tourism generated will probably pay that investment back several times over.
Makes me wonder why BC Ferries needs such a massive injection of cash to serve the now shrivelled route ten. Too many offices on Fort Street, perhaps?
Neil, stop that nonsense talk, there's always an empty office on Fort St. that needs filling! They must help the 'Christies' jobs plan along, don't you know? I've been meaning to do a chronological fare increase review on the Northern run but can't manage it with a lot of other stuff on the go but suffice ot say, the fares are outrageously high, hence a tragic drop in traffic volume. My theory must be wrong however as I don't have an MBA degree that teaches it's better to have less of the pie rather than more pie for more money. Another exercise someone may like to undertake: Circle trip, with 2 adults and standard vehicle, inside stateroom as compared to what the price of an Alaska cruise out of Vancouver would cost.
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Post by Kahloke on Mar 31, 2014 8:33:22 GMT -8
Another exercise someone may like to undertake: Circle trip, with 2 adults and standard vehicle, inside stateroom as compared to what the price of an Alaska cruise out of Vancouver would cost. I've looked into this before, comparing an Alaska cruise out of Seattle versus doing a series of ferries and hotels to do the trip, and I found that the cruise costs less, and you get a lot more amenities. Cruises are usually a pretty good deal. It's kind of hard to do a comparison when you talk about adding a vehicle, however, since cruise ships are passenger-only. Looking at Nova Star, the prices seem even more reasonable when you factor in the level of amenities on board the ship. Nova Star has 6 dining/drinking venues, a casino, a spa, a gym, a theatre, and a children's play area - not bad for a ferry. It seems more like a mini-cruise ship, or like one of the large European ferries, such as the Silja Line vessels.
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Post by Kahloke on May 22, 2014 9:18:51 GMT -8
Here are a couple of videos I found on Nova Star.
The first one is from Nova Star's first official revenue sailing, shown arriving at Yarmouth, NS:
The second video is a tour of the vessel:
It looks like a pretty nice ship. If we ever get back there, I may have to save up the funds and see if we can get on for a crossing. It's expensive (although not as expensive as BC Ferries Inside Passage route), but I think it would be worth it for the experience.
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Post by mariner42 on Sept 9, 2014 10:30:55 GMT -8
The news from Nova Star is not good.
They are ending their first season 3 weeks early due to poor passenger numbers. July was disappointing, August was good.
Bookings fell drastically after Thanksgiving weekend. They had hoped for a season's passenger total this year of 100,000; however, achieved only about 45,000.
They are hoping for 25,000 pax per month next year. This from The Globe and Mail Tuesday,Sept. 9, 2014
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Post by Kahloke on Sept 9, 2014 12:16:11 GMT -8
The news from Nova Star is not good. They are ending their first season 3 weeks early due to poor passenger numbers. July was disappointing, August was good. Bookings fell drastically after Thanksgiving weekend. They had hoped for a season's passenger total this year of 100,000; however, achieved only about 45,000. They are hoping for 25,000 pax per month next year. This from The Globe and Mail Tuesday,Sept. 9, 2014 Ouch! Not good. Hopefully, they will still be in service next summer. I would like to get a chance to ride on Nova Star when we are out there next July or August.
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Post by Kahloke on Sept 16, 2014 11:55:15 GMT -8
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Post by Neil on Sept 16, 2014 21:56:14 GMT -8
That's good news if it works out as they're saying. And I don't really think it's so terrible they're stopping service three weeks early... operating into November their first year was probably too ambitious.
Still, I think it's absurd to think that this service can operate without a subsidy long term. They blew through seven years worth in a few months; Nova Scotia and possibly Maine will have to pony up in some form.
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Post by Kahloke on Feb 5, 2015 17:28:24 GMT -8
Nova Star is ramping up for 2015 after a somewhat lackluster first year. According to the article (see below), they are getting a bunch more money thrown at them to try and make this operation work. Reservations for the 2015 season are now open on their website. I just booked passage for our July trip. They are still offering reduced fares to entice people to use their service, so instead of close to $600(US) for two adults, a car, and an interior cabin, my grand total for all that comes to $472(US) - pretty good deal for a 10 hour crossing on a ferry that has more amenities, and food options, than Northern Expedition. Here's the fare breakdown for our passage, in US dollars, of course:> Passenger $124 (x2) = $248 > Vehicle <20' $134 (that's a steal for such a long crossing) > Interior Cabin $59 > Fuel Surcharge $15 > Port Fees $16
Reservation Total: $472
I'm looking forward to riding on this vessel this summer, and should have lots to report back on. Given how much money the company is sucking in, and not making back in return, it does make me wonder how long they will be in operation. Hopefully, they won't fold before August! Here's that article:
bangordailynews.com/2015/02/04/business/nova-star-gets-13-million-more-from-province-expecting-5-million-in-credit-from-maine/
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Post by Kahloke on Aug 3, 2015 19:34:46 GMT -8
This post is going to be pretty photo-heavy. I have now taken a cruise on MV Nova Star - did that Sunday, July 26th from Yarmouth to Portland. It's a very nice ship, and definitely feels more like a cruise ship than a ferry. It's foreign-flagged, home port registry of Nassau, and so the crew is also foreign. We had a Norwegian captain, and most of the cabin stewards and hostess personnel were internationals as well, reminding me very much of the Holland America cruise we were on a few years ago. We did get an interior cabin, mostly as a place to store our day stuff, and maybe as a place to nap, although I never did. When I wasn't wandering around the ship, I spent most of my time in one of the cushy recliner chairs at the stern of the vessel, looking out the big picture windows. They had on-board activities which I didn't really participate in, but they would make announcements over the PA when things were going to start. They made a big deal about the on-board spa, but I don't think they had a lot of takers the day we were on board. It was sad to me that the vessel was maybe only 1/3 full, at best, especially on a Sunday in the middle of summer. It's a big ship, but I don't think there were even 100 vehicles on board. They put us all on the main car deck. The vessel can take up to 336 cars, so +/-100 is not very many. They have two full size car decks, and each of those decks is full-height, so tall vehicles can fit equally well on both levels. The upper car deck has 2 hoistable platforms to increase capacity, if needed, and there is a very long internal ramp to get between the main car deck and the upper car deck. It seems that Nova Star was built with 2-level shore ramps in mind, like what BC Ferries employs, but neither Portland or Yarmouth have such elevated structures, so if the vessel were full to capacity, they would be relying on those internal ramps. Because of the light passenger load the day we were on board, not all of the amenities were open. Key's Lounge at the forward end of the vessel was open (Nova Star's Forward Lounge), Piper's Club, directly aft of the forward lounge, was open for the entire crossing and served as a drink and snack bar, the main cafeteria (Fathom's Buffet) was open for select periods during the crossing, and the casino was open, but the other lounges were not (you could walk through them, but they weren't staffed). Like I said above, it felt much like a mini-cruise. Deck layouts are as follows: 3: main car deck (two levels) 5: upper car deck (two levels when platforms are stowed) 6: hoistable platforms for cars (only when in use - they were not on our sailing) 7: main passenger services - this is where the forward lounge is, the restaurants, casino, kids zone, etc. 8: passenger cabins 9: crew cabins, spa, reserved recliner seating, and aft lounge OK, enough of my rambling here - on to the photos: Nova Star arriving at Yarmouth around 08:00 departing Yarmouth, Nova Scotia Exterior deck space in the aft of the vessel - not a lot of outdoor deck space for passengers Rescue boats Main stairs forward entry hall / greeting area on Deck 7 main hall on Deck 7 between greeting area and aft service areas, like Fathoms Buffet, the gift shop, casino, etc.. It's very much like the layout on Northern Expedition Keys Lounge at the forward end of the vessel on Deck 7 - this is the "forward lounge" no one on piano for the day cruise Piper's Pub, directly aft of Keys Lounge, connects to the main greeting area seen in the photos above - this is like their snack bar. It was open the entire crossing Currents Restaurant was not open for the day cruise. It, too, is directly aft of Keys Lounge, just on the other side of the vessel from Piper's Pub. I believe it is open for dinner only, which would be on the Portland to Yarmouth overnight voyage Fathoms Buffet is the main place to get food on the vessel. It is open 3 times during the day cruise - once in the morning, once for lunch, and once mid afternoon, typically for an hour each time. The food's not bad. They had a nice salad bar and some pretty yummy desserts, as well as some hot food items. There is a casino on board, aft of the Fathoms Buffet, and Kid's Zone area. I noticed a few people playing Blackjack, but this space, too, was pretty empty on our cruise Aft staircase, as seen on Deck 8 Reserved seating lounge on Deck 9 - they were on both sides of the vessel Sea Glass Lounge on Deck 9. The bar was closed but the seating area was open. I spent a fair amount of time in the recliner chairs nearest the aft windows typical corridor on deck 8. This is the cabin level, so not too much to see here. It's kind of like any cruise ship corridor through the cabin areas. Our cabin: we got an interior cabin so there is a mirror instead of a window. The cabins are plain but functional. Your boarding pass is your cabin card key, so that makes it easy. small, but efficient en-suite bathroom. All the cabins have them There's even a shower, probably not too unlike what you get on Northern Expedition Main car deck, looking towards the bow. We loaded at the bow in Yarmouth, so were facing the stern when we offloaded in Portland big long ramp going up to Deck 5 Deck 3, looking towards the stern door Nova Star departing Portland
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Post by Koastal Karl on Aug 3, 2015 21:13:00 GMT -8
ooh nice photos. That ship does remind me a lot of the Northern Expedition especially the stairwells. How long is the day cruise and overnight cruise?? She dont do day cruises both ways?
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Post by WettCoast on Aug 3, 2015 21:43:37 GMT -8
A fine photo essay Mr. Kahloke!
Questions:
- Does this ship have a visor, or 'clam shell' type doors at the bow? - What was the build year of the ship? It looks fairly new. - The floating berth that the ship uses in Yarmouth looks pretty much the same as what they have for BC's 'Northern' boats. I assume there is a similar arrangement in Portland? Can you confirm that these berths are the European type and that the NorEx or NorAd could use them without modification?
I hope that a lack of passenger & cars that you saw is not the 'norm', as this service might die all too soon.
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Post by Kahloke on Aug 4, 2015 6:02:04 GMT -8
ooh nice photos. That ship does remind me a lot of the Northern Expedition especially the stairwells. How long is the day cruise and overnight cruise?? She dont do day cruises both ways? the schedule is as follows: depart Portland: 20:00 EDT arrive Yarmouth: 08:00 next day ADT crossing time = 11 hours depart Yarmouth: 09:30 ADT arrive Portland: 18:30 EDT crossing time = 10 hours The overnight cruise is from Portland to Yarmouth The day cruise we were on is the opposite direction
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Post by Kahloke on Aug 4, 2015 6:12:01 GMT -8
A fine photo essay Mr. Kahloke! Questions: - Does this ship have a visor, or 'clam shell' type doors at the bow? - What was the build year of the ship? It looks fairly new. - The floating berth that the ship uses in Yarmouth looks pretty much the same as what they have for BC's 'Northern' boats. I assume there is a similar arrangement in Portland? Can you confirm that these berths are the European type and that the NorEx or NorAd could use them without modification? I hope that a lack of passenger & cars that you saw is not the 'norm', as this service might die all too soon. 1. Nova Star has clam shell doors at the bow 2. It was built in 2014 in Singapore, not originally intended for the route she is on today. Here's a link to the Wikipedia article on her: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Nova_Star3. Yes, the floating berths in Yarmouth and Portland are pretty similar to what BC Ferries uses. Have no idea if they are the European type or not, but I would suspect yes, since this vessel was originally supposed to be deployed in Europe. 4. I would hope that they get more traffic than what we saw the day we went, but I read articles earlier that said ridership has fallen short of expectations. Their first year, last year, fell dismally short of expectations, so I fear that this operation may not last long.
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Post by ghYHZ on Aug 4, 2015 14:28:38 GMT -8
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Post by Kahloke on Aug 4, 2015 16:01:58 GMT -8
Interesting development. Thanks for posting the link. That article sure confirmed the experience we had traveling on Nova Star. Like I said above, I think our crossing was only about 1/3 full, for passengers. I think the entire vehicle load could have fit onto the 124-car ferry Chelan, and perhaps the passenger compliment, too. The ferry seemed pretty empty, especially for one as large as it is. I think the route is a good one, but maybe they need a smaller vessel, something more along the size of Northern Expedition. Nova Star is really set up for European operations, and ports with double-decked berth structures. It's far too large for its current assignment, especially given the passenger numbers they have been seeing. Also, all of their power outlets on board are European standard. You have to have an adapter if you want to plug any of your North American devices in, anywhere (OK, that's a small, nitpicky thing, but it does illustrate that this vessel was not originally intended for use in North America).
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 13, 2015 15:49:35 GMT -8
Portland Press Herald article on challenges facing the Nova Star, and other ferry routes. HERE
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