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Post by hwy19man on Nov 16, 2021 1:53:19 GMT -8
I wonder how busy the Salt Spring Island routes were (Crofton-Vesuvius and Fulford-Swartz Bay)?
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Post by Kahloke on Nov 16, 2021 6:54:10 GMT -8
Who would have thought that traffic would increase ... Obvioiusly you don't know and/or aren't a local, so I'll answer this easy one and score a WCF point. When the Malahat (HWY1) closes between Victoria & Duncan, the only way around it is to go the sea route between Mill Bay and Brentwood Bay. As a fun fact, this is the only route BCF sails from 1 island to the same island. They used to do a marketing campaign claiming it to be the most scenic shortcut (in the world?) And obviously, you don't know who you are talking about. Never assume.
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Post by WettCoast on Nov 16, 2021 13:48:34 GMT -8
Who would have thought that traffic would increase ... Obvioiusly you don't know and/or aren't a local, so I'll answer this easy one and score a WCF point. When the Malahat (HWY1) closes between Victoria & Duncan, the only way around it is to go the sea route between Mill Bay and Brentwood Bay. As a fun fact, this is the only route BCF sails from 1 island to the same island. They used to do a marketing campaign claiming it to be the most scenic shortcut (in the world?) Obviously it was sarcasm ... Victoria is my home town. I know the situation there at least as well as you do.
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Post by Olympic Ferries on Nov 16, 2021 14:36:07 GMT -8
I wonder how busy the Salt Spring Island routes were (Crofton-Vesuvius and Fulford-Swartz Bay)? I had friends sail via this route and said that the route to Salt Spring from Swartz Bay was pretty busy but the Crofton sailing was not super busy in the early evening yesterday. Can't speak about outside of those times though, so who knows.
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Post by Departure Bay on Nov 17, 2021 14:11:53 GMT -8
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Post by timmyc on Nov 17, 2021 14:19:06 GMT -8
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Post by Departure Bay on Nov 17, 2021 15:02:20 GMT -8
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Post by 1foot2ships on Nov 17, 2021 22:14:34 GMT -8
Nov 16, 2021 6:54:10 GMT -8 Kahloke said: And obviously, you don't know who you are talking about. Never assume.
Nov 16, 2021 13:48:34 GMT -8 WettCoast said: Obviously it was sarcasm ... Victoria is my home town. I know the situation there at least as well as you do.Come on, you guys... That's not fair. The original post was written as plain text. No italics, no underlines, no quotations, no emojis, no indication or anything indicating jester. You can't ridicule somebody for mistaking somebody's written words as their honest opinion! When/if people write/say stupid things (me included), I have no problems calling them out for it, but this kind of ganging up is not fair. This isn't cyber bullying, but I think you can see the point I'm trying to make.
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Post by Neil on Nov 17, 2021 22:17:57 GMT -8
I wonder if a scheduled revenue sailing between Swartz Bay and either Nanaimo terminal is a first for BC Ferries. I know the Malahat has had many shutdowns in the past, but I don't recall if this was done. I would love to do the round trip just for the novelty of sailing along the outside of Gabriola, Valdes, and Galiano, although the boat might be far enough out in the strait that the view might not be that special. I doubt that there would be many foot passengers, so it wouldn't be a matter of a fan taking up needed capacity. Aside from the fan interest, though, I hope the Malahat can reopen as soon as possible. This rainstorm has been devastating for so many people.
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Post by Olympic Ferries on Nov 17, 2021 22:21:15 GMT -8
I wonder if a scheduled revenue sailing between Swartz Bay and either Nanaimo terminal is a first for BC Ferries. I know the Malahat has had many shutdowns in the past, but I don't recall if this was done. I would love to do the round trip just for the novelty of sailing along the outside of Gabriola, Valdes, and Galiano, although the boat might be far enough out in the strait that the view might not be that special. I doubt that there would be many foot passengers, so it wouldn't be a matter of a fan taking up needed capacity. Aside from the fan interest, though, I hope the Malahat can reopen as soon as possible. This rainstorm has been devastating for so many people. Given that during daytime hours the road isn't actually fully closed, I'm surprised they're doing this sailing at all. Let the truck traffic alternate on the road throughout the day would make it easier to utilize what limited capacity is still open.
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Post by 1foot2ships on Nov 17, 2021 22:24:12 GMT -8
I wonder if a scheduled revenue sailing between Swartz Bay and either Nanaimo terminal is a first for BC Ferries. I know the Malahat has had many shutdowns in the past, but I don't recall if this was done. I would love to do the round trip just for the novelty of sailing along the outside of Gabriola, Valdes, and Galiano, although the boat might be far enough out in the strait that the view might not be that special. I doubt that there would be many foot passengers, so it wouldn't be a matter of a fan taking up needed capacity. Aside from the fan interest, though, I hope the Malahat can reopen as soon as possible. This rainstorm has been devastating for so many people. I was thinking the same thing. It would be so cool to be on that run. Hopefully the weather is good and somebody on this board has a reason to be on that sailing (Taking photos to share with us is a legitimate travel reason right?). I haven't done the math, but I think I saw somewhere the duration is 3h. Wow. Does it really take that long? Or are they being super cautious with their estimates?
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Post by 1foot2ships on Nov 17, 2021 22:35:57 GMT -8
Nov 17, 2021 22:21:15 GMT -8 Olympic Ferries said:
Given that during daytime hours the road isn't actually fully closed, I'm surprised they're doing this sailing at all. Let the truck traffic alternate on the road throughout the day would make it easier to utilize what limited capacity is still open.The current set-up is to have it closed from 1801 until 0559 and to have single lane alternating traffic between 0600-1800. I know some people who had to do it and they say that queue is ridiculously long. Drivers have been so poor losing their minds spouting off at the traffic control people that the RCMP will assisting them starting tomorrow. Brutal... people need to grow up and learn that bad situations are no excuses for losing civility. www.timescolonist.com/local-news/police-called-in-as-tempers-flare-over-malahat-closure-4769841The only problem is that this temporary link between Nanaimo and Sidney will take 3hrs and the existing ferry route can only take ~20 at at time.
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Post by Mike on Nov 17, 2021 23:21:13 GMT -8
Come on, you guys... That's not fair. The original post was written as plain text. No italics, no underlines, no quotations, no emojis, no indication or anything indicating jester. You can't ridicule somebody for mistaking somebody's written words as their honest opinion! When/if people write/say stupid things (me included), I have no problems calling them out for it, but this kind of ganging up is not fair. This isn't cyber bullying, but I think you can see the point I'm trying to make. I think the lesson here is don't assume that other members don't know anything.
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Post by Neil on Nov 18, 2021 9:32:54 GMT -8
I wonder if a scheduled revenue sailing between Swartz Bay and either Nanaimo terminal is a first for BC Ferries. I know the Malahat has had many shutdowns in the past, but I don't recall if this was done. I would love to do the round trip just for the novelty of sailing along the outside of Gabriola, Valdes, and Galiano, although the boat might be far enough out in the strait that the view might not be that special. I doubt that there would be many foot passengers, so it wouldn't be a matter of a fan taking up needed capacity. Aside from the fan interest, though, I hope the Malahat can reopen as soon as possible. This rainstorm has been devastating for so many people. I was thinking the same thing. It would be so cool to be on that run. Hopefully the weather is good and somebody on this board has a reason to be on that sailing (Taking photos to share with us is a legitimate travel reason right?). I haven't done the math, but I think I saw somewhere the duration is 3h. Wow. Does it really take that long? Or are they being super cautious with their estimates? Looking at the map, three hours sounds about right to me. From Duke Point to the entrance to Active Pass looks to be almost the same distance as the regular run to Tsawwassen, and then add the transit to Swartz Bay.
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Post by Neil on Nov 18, 2021 9:49:50 GMT -8
Come on, you guys... That's not fair. The original post was written as plain text. No italics, no underlines, no quotations, no emojis, no indication or anything indicating jester. You can't ridicule somebody for mistaking somebody's written words as their honest opinion! When/if people write/say stupid things (me included), I have no problems calling them out for it, but this kind of ganging up is not fair. This isn't cyber bullying, but I think you can see the point I'm trying to make. I think the lesson here is don't assume that other members don't know anything. To Mike's reply, I would just add that I don't think anyone was ridiculing. I for one appreciate your participation here. It's just that you misinterpreted a fairly obvious tongue in cheek post, and directed a snarky reply to a long time coastal resident who's been a member here for fifteen years and posted almost seven thousand times. No biggie, but someone was bound to take you to task on it.
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Post by Olympic Ferries on Nov 18, 2021 10:21:05 GMT -8
Nov 17, 2021 22:21:15 GMT -8 Olympic Ferries said:
Given that during daytime hours the road isn't actually fully closed, I'm surprised they're doing this sailing at all. Let the truck traffic alternate on the road throughout the day would make it easier to utilize what limited capacity is still open.The current set-up is to have it closed from 1801 until 0559 and to have single lane alternating traffic between 0600-1800. I know some people who had to do it and they say that queue is ridiculously long. Drivers have been so poor losing their minds spouting off at the traffic control people that the RCMP will assisting them starting tomorrow. Brutal... people need to grow up and learn that bad situations are no excuses for losing civility. www.timescolonist.com/local-news/police-called-in-as-tempers-flare-over-malahat-closure-4769841The only problem is that this temporary link between Nanaimo and Sidney will take 3hrs and the existing ferry route can only take ~20 at at time. As of now, there's no overnight closures required anymore with alternating traffic given priority to commercial vehicles I believe. Now that it's 'open', I definitely would incentivize trucks to have priority on that.
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Post by WettCoast on Nov 18, 2021 10:24:56 GMT -8
Nov 16, 2021 6:54:10 GMT -8 Kahloke said: And obviously, you don't know who you are talking about. Never assume.
Nov 16, 2021 13:48:34 GMT -8 WettCoast said: Obviously it was sarcasm ... Victoria is my home town. I know the situation there at least as well as you do.Come on, you guys... That's not fair. The original post was written as plain text. No italics, no underlines, no quotations, no emojis, no indication or anything indicating jester. You can't ridicule somebody for mistaking somebody's written words as their honest opinion! When/if people write/say stupid things (me included), I have no problems calling them out for it, but this kind of ganging up is not fair. This isn't cyber bullying, but I think you can see the point I'm trying to make. Its no big deal. I did think that my comment was obvious sarcasm, but apparently not. Everyone who knows the situation there knows that if they could put a Spirit class ferry on in place of the Klitsa, they still wouldn't make much of a dent in the volume of traffic that goes over the Malahat every day. At least one section of the Malahat highway (through Goldstream Park) is still just two lanes (one each way). I am almost certain that that is the most heavily trafficked two lane road in BC, if not Canada.
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Post by WettCoast on Nov 18, 2021 10:53:32 GMT -8
This sailing is a great example of the kinds of things that should be done when "all hell breaks loose" as is the case now. BC Ferries should get a big 'atta boy' for doing this (though probably they were pushed by the BC government). The same goes for Via Rail/CN who yesterday ran the trainset known as The Canadian (Via #1) from Vancouver to Hope on a rescue mission, returning with about 200 people who have been stranded in Hope. This brings me to another 'thing' that I believe should be happening but so far hasn't (and I know that there are considerable logistic hurdles). What I am talking about is this: We are running out of many basic food items up here in Kitimat (and everywhere else in the interior & north). The highways & railways out of Vancouver are all 'down'. BC Ferries has a vessel that sits idle pretty much all winter ( Northern Adventure) and it could be pressed into service to move trucks from Port Hardy to Rupert and thereby allow restocking of grocery store shelves in this part of the world. They just need to cobble together a crew. How many truck trailers could they get onto the NorAd?
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Post by Neil on Nov 18, 2021 16:42:44 GMT -8
This sailing is a great example of the kinds of things that should be done when "all hell breaks loose" as is the case now. BC Ferries should get a big 'atta boy' for doing this (though probably they were pushed by the BC government). The same goes for Via Rail/CN who yesterday ran the trainset known as The Canadian (Via #1) from Vancouver to Hope on a rescue mission, returning with about 200 people who have been stranded in Hope. This brings me to another 'thing' that I believe should be happening but so far hasn't (and I know that there are considerable logistic hurdles). What I am talking about is this: We are running out of many basic food items up here in Kitimat (and everywhere else in the interior & north). The highways & railways out of Vancouver are all 'down'. BC Ferries has a vessel that sits idle pretty much all winter ( Northern Adventure) and it could be pressed into service to move trucks from Port Hardy to Rupert and thereby allow restocking of grocery store shelves in this part of the world. They just need to cobble together a crew. How many truck trailers could they get onto the NorAd? I absolutely agree. Part of the state of emergency powers that the province will be exercising is a brake on hoarding and price gouging, however they propose to do that. They should certainly be using an idle asset like the NorAd to help with supply lines, if possible. I've already noticed decreasing food stocks here in the White Rock/south Surrey area... I can imagine things will be much worse further north or inland.
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Post by paulvanb on Nov 18, 2021 20:51:57 GMT -8
This sailing is a great example of the kinds of things that should be done when "all hell breaks loose" as is the case now. BC Ferries should get a big 'atta boy' for doing this (though probably they were pushed by the BC government). The same goes for Via Rail/CN who yesterday ran the trainset known as The Canadian (Via #1) from Vancouver to Hope on a rescue mission, returning with about 200 people who have been stranded in Hope. This brings me to another 'thing' that I believe should be happening but so far hasn't (and I know that there are considerable logistic hurdles). What I am talking about is this: We are running out of many basic food items up here in Kitimat (and everywhere else in the interior & north). The highways & railways out of Vancouver are all 'down'. BC Ferries has a vessel that sits idle pretty much all winter ( Northern Adventure) and it could be pressed into service to move trucks from Port Hardy to Rupert and thereby allow restocking of grocery store shelves in this part of the world. They just need to cobble together a crew. How many truck trailers could they get onto the NorAd? I absolutely agree. Part of the state of emergency powers that the province will be exercising is a brake on hoarding and price gouging, however they propose to do that. They should certainly be using an idle asset like the NorAd to help with supply lines, if possible. I've already noticed decreasing food stocks here in the White Rock/south Surrey area... I can imagine things will be much worse further north or inland. Haven't noticed too much with groceries here in North Vancouver, but I see prices creeping up. Just wondering how a dozen large egss of Safeway's house brand went up 30 cents, and how a Loblaw's no frills can of beans did so likewise that were on sale for a buck the week before.
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Post by WettCoast on Nov 18, 2021 21:01:42 GMT -8
I absolutely agree. Part of the state of emergency powers that the province will be exercising is a brake on hoarding and price gouging, however they propose to do that. They should certainly be using an idle asset like the NorAd to help with supply lines, if possible. I've already noticed decreasing food stocks here in the White Rock/south Surrey area... I can imagine things will be much worse further north or inland. Haven't noticed too much with groceries here in North Vancouver, but I see prices creeping up. Just wondering how a dozen large egss of Safeway's house brand went up 30 cents, and how a Loblaw's no frills can of beans did so likewise that were on sale for a buck the week before. Most (all?) of the grocery chains have their warehouses in the lower mainland with trucks being sent out from there. I believe Jimmy Pattison group (SOF/Overwaitea) is distributed out of Langley. They can get their trucks to North Van, but not to anywhere beyond Hope.
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Post by Mike C on Nov 19, 2021 11:07:56 GMT -8
Haven't noticed too much with groceries here in North Vancouver, but I see prices creeping up. Just wondering how a dozen large egss of Safeway's house brand went up 30 cents, and how a Loblaw's no frills can of beans did so likewise that were on sale for a buck the week before. Most (all?) of the grocery chains have their warehouses in the lower mainland with trucks being sent out from there. I believe Jimmy Pattison group (SOF/Overwaitea) is distributed out of Langley. They can get their trucks to North Van, but not to anywhere beyond Hope. In Prince George, we’re able to receive groceries from the Overwaitea distribution centre in Edmonton, and Loblaws from Calgary (though not sure how long that switch takes - I believe you’re right, the Langley warehouse served all of BC). Certainly didn’t stop the rather extreme reaction from residents, though; as my online food box remains undelivered I found myself unexpectedly meal-planning with bare grocery shelves.
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Post by WettCoast on Nov 19, 2021 11:34:25 GMT -8
In Prince George, we’re able to receive groceries from the Overwaitea distribution centre in Edmonton, and Loblaws from Calgary (though not sure how long that switch takes - I believe you’re right, the Langley warehouse served all of BC). Certainly didn’t stop the rather extreme reaction from residents, though; as my online food box remains undelivered I found myself unexpectedly meal-planning with bare grocery shelves. I assume you are talking about the hoarders. Nasty people who need to be slapped with a thousand rolls of TP...
Trucks made it into Kitimat overnight and I was able to get everything on the grocery list my wife prepared for me (mostly milk & produce). We also have a well-stocked deep-freeze. I understand both the grocery stores here in Kitimat are still without fresh meat but I did not even look for that.
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Post by 1foot2ships on Dec 2, 2021 22:57:32 GMT -8
This sailing is a great example of the kinds of things that should be done when "all hell breaks loose" as is the case now. BC Ferries should get a big 'atta boy' for doing this (though probably they were pushed by the BC government). Anybody have any news on how these two special runs went? What was the passenger count? How many vehicles took the NB trip vs the SB one? Were there any problems at the terminals? How about enroute? Anybody complaints on a C-Class sailing through? Were there any unanticipated problems? Was it the correct decision to deny reservations and make this a first-come, first-on situation? What was the foot passenger/personal vehicle/commercial traffic breakdown? I'm curious b/c I like this out of the box thinking and hope more of this creative problem solving (by the Gov't no less!) becomes the norm instead of the exception.
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Post by Ferryman on Dec 3, 2021 9:07:42 GMT -8
This sailing is a great example of the kinds of things that should be done when "all hell breaks loose" as is the case now. BC Ferries should get a big 'atta boy' for doing this (though probably they were pushed by the BC government). Anybody have any news on how these two special runs went? What was the passenger count? How many vehicles took the NB trip vs the SB one? Were there any problems at the terminals? How about enroute? Anybody complaints on a C-Class sailing through? Were there any unanticipated problems? Was it the correct decision to deny reservations and make this a first-come, first-on situation? What was the foot passenger/personal vehicle/commercial traffic breakdown? I'm curious b/c I like this out of the box thinking and hope more of this creative problem solving (by the Gov't no less!) becomes the norm instead of the exception. I would suggest submitting your question through this link because nobody is going to know the answers to those questions here www.bcferries.com/our-company/freedom-of-information
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