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Post by terrybc on Dec 19, 2021 12:55:34 GMT -8
Where was Seaspan Trader built at?
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Post by Neil on Dec 19, 2021 14:51:27 GMT -8
Where was Seaspan Trader built at? I believe by Damen, at Mangalia, Romania.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Dec 20, 2021 11:00:59 GMT -8
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Post by terrybc on Dec 20, 2021 16:34:29 GMT -8
Island 6 has their pilot ordered for 2300 at Brotchie Pilot Station
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Post by Dane on Jan 11, 2022 17:01:24 GMT -8
Island 6 has the banner up that covers the name. For the four Island-class vessels named at Point Hope this went up the day before the name was announced... not sure if tomorrow is naming day but presumably it is close - those banners don't look particularly wind proof!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 17:56:28 GMT -8
Island 6 has the banner up that covers the name. For the four Island-class vessels named at Point Hope this went up the day before the name was announced... not sure if tomorrow is naming day but presumably it is close - those banners don't look particularly wind proof! The naming ceremony was this afternoon, her name is the "Island Gwawis". I like it! Anyone know how it is pronounced? BC Ferries names its sixth-island class ferry
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Post by Dane on Jan 11, 2022 18:45:03 GMT -8
That's what happens when you post a 5am observation at 5pm haha! Great name, "looks cool" on the boat. So far all the names have been phonetic for anglophones, I imagine this has continued.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 11, 2022 18:46:57 GMT -8
The naming ceremony was this afternoon, her name is the "Island Gwawis". I like it! Anyone know how it is pronounced? For pronunciation of the Kwak'wala language names that end in "is", this ending is pronounced "eese." Island Kwigwis ("kwig-weese") Island Nagalis ("naga-leese") Island Gwawis ("gwa-weese") The "is" ending sounds like "eese" as in "grease."
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Post by Neil on Jan 13, 2022 9:44:23 GMT -8
I can almost hear David Hahn saying, "Told you so." He was the proponent of BC Ferries giving utterly meaningless names to its vessels, like Coastal Renaissance; names that suggested nothing and offended no one, other than for being insipid. "Names are names", he said. They've made it clear they don't want vessel names associated with locales, because the fleet is going to be generic and easily transferable. But still, they're going to have to be a bit careful that one or a few first nations aren't seen as having naming rights for the whole coast. I actually like this bit of tension, because I get a bit fed up with 'settler' government initiatives to use first nations terms for naming things and slapping indigenous art on public works, while avoiding tougher work around land claims and the overall viability of first nations communities. www.nanaimobulletin.com/news/snuneymuxw-chief-frustrated-with-b-c-ferries-name-choice-for-new-vessel/
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 13, 2022 11:25:41 GMT -8
I can almost hear David Hahn saying, "Told you so." He was the proponent of BC Ferries giving utterly meaningless names to its vessels, like Coastal Renaissance; names that suggested nothing and offended no one, other than for being insipid. "Names are names", he said. I saw those news stories yesterday, and I'm still working through some things in my mind about the issues, based on my own desire to educate myself and to be a reconciler. There are generally three main first nations language groups on the south coast of BC (and pardon me getting small details wrong here): - Coast Salish people, south of Campbell River latitude, along eastern Vancouver Island and the mainland. - Kwakwaka'wakw people, north of Campbell River on the mainland coast and Island. (the 4 recently named Island-Class ships have names related to this region) - Nuu-chah-nulth people, on the west side of Vancouver Island. To the issue of ships named using languages for one region and then being used in another region, this didn't happen with the 3 (soon 4) Salish class ships, as they are all operating in the Coast Salish region. The Island Class is the first class that operates in 2 different first nation language regions (my own term), and so this is where the issue arises. Individual First Nations don't like it when they are grouped together, because they see themselves as individual distinct nations, even if they have common language. BC Ferries wants their ships to be easily exchangeable between routes. To my initial white-guy thinking, any first nations name would be a good thing for a ship operating in any first nation's territory. But I understand that this isn't the reaction for this particular first nation, nor likely for any first nation. They see themselves as individually distinct. I'm assuming that BC Ferries has some sort of "First Nations Advisor" to help the company with protocols such as this. I will continue to follow this, as I'm interested. ---------------------- I've been careful to simply state my observation based on what I've learned and know, without making judgements through my own lens. Or at least that is my intention.
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Post by paddlehardercafe on Jan 13, 2022 16:17:16 GMT -8
My two cents would be to add the first nations names to the ferry landing in the first nations territory the ferry terminal is on.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Mar 4, 2022 0:30:05 GMT -8
Island Kwigwis is sitting at Buckley Bay. Island Gwawis is at Departure Bay.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Mar 5, 2022 13:18:51 GMT -8
Island Gwawis is doing training around the Duke Point area.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Mar 5, 2022 16:43:25 GMT -8
Island Gwawis is doing training around the Duke Point area. Island Gwawis is again at Departure Bay after the day training.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Mar 6, 2022 18:00:44 GMT -8
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Mar 9, 2022 19:27:18 GMT -8
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Mar 15, 2022 23:58:27 GMT -8
I wonder if two boat service on Campbell River to Quadra Island will start on May 15 because that is when the schedule on page goes too.
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Post by explorer on Mar 20, 2022 11:23:47 GMT -8
Some have suggested that the 10 Min crossing on Route 23 Campbell River - Quadra Island would be best served by deploying the Skeena Queen on the 10 min crossing. Providing a 35% reserve capacity in all load situations.
Take the Queen of Cumberland and deploy it on Route 4.
Take one New Island Class Vessel and deploy on Route 4.
This would provide "On The Hour Sailings" and put the Vehicles on the Ferries instead of making a parking lot out of the Roadway (impassable) at Fulford Harbour.
Take the other New Island Class Vessel and deploy it on Route 5a to right size to load demand. For the Non-Stop from Swartz Bay to Saturna Island and the 1Hr 20Min voyage, it provides creature comforts that most are accustom to.
Route 6 - Vesuvius Bay to Crofton - in addition to the arrival of the MV Quinsam on April 13th keep the MV Quinitsa in service (instead of a spare) and provide "On The Hour Sailings" and put the Vehicles on the Ferries instead of making a parking lot out of the Roadway (impassable) at Vesuvius Bay & Crofton.
Those 5 Redeployments provide Traffic Mitigation Congestion and the end of Sailing Waits at a minimum of 5 Ferry Terminals. With no further Vessels required.
It's totally in tune with Bill 7 -
“and is to oversee the strategic direction in support of the public interest, including the public’s interest in safe, reliable and affordable coastal ferry services in British Columbia.”
However it doesn't mention - "adequate", let alone "effective" or "efficient".
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Post by Neil on Mar 20, 2022 13:50:55 GMT -8
Some have suggested that the 10 Min crossing on Route 23 Campbell River - Quadra Island would be best served by deploying the Skeena Queen on the 10 min crossing. Providing a 35% reserve capacity in all load situations. Take the Queen of Cumberland and deploy it on Route 4. Take one New Island Class Vessel and deploy on Route 4. This would provide "On The Hour Sailings" and put the Vehicles on the Ferries instead of making a parking lot out of the Roadway (impassable) at Fulford Harbour. Take the other New Island Class Vessel and deploy it on Route 5a to right size to load demand. For the Non-Stop from Swartz Bay to Saturna Island and the 1Hr 20Min voyage, it provides creature comforts that most are accustom to. Route 6 - Vesuvius Bay to Crofton - in addition to the arrival of the MV Quinsam on April 13th keep the MV Quinitsa in service (instead of a spare) and provide "On The Hour Sailings" and put the Vehicles on the Ferries instead of making a parking lot out of the Roadway (impassable) at Vesuvius Bay & Crofton. Those 5 Redeployments provide Traffic Mitigation Congestion and the end of Sailing Waits at a minimum of 5 Ferry Terminals. With no further Vessels required. It's totally in tune with Bill 7 - “and is to oversee the strategic direction in support of the public interest, including the public’s interest in safe, reliable and affordable coastal ferry services in British Columbia.” However it doesn't mention - "adequate", let alone "effective" or "efficient". i don't think anyone ever seriously suggested putting the Skeena Queen on the Quadra route. It's ridiculous to have a 100 car vessel on a ten minute crossing, and the situation at both terminals doesn't make sense for a vessel that size, either. That's why they're going for two smaller vessels, which is the more efficient traffic movement model, although more expensive.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Mar 20, 2022 17:46:17 GMT -8
Take the other New Island Class Vessel and deploy it on Route 5a to right size to load demand. For the Non-Stop from Swartz Bay to Saturna Island and the 1Hr 20Min voyage, it provides creature comforts that most are accustom to. Route 5a shouldn’t have Island Class what so ever because passengers could be vessel for up to two hours and capacity is everywhere. I personally think that Intermediate class vessel should be on route due better suited passengers cabin and having access to snack bar and able to keep capacity.
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Post by Kahloke on Mar 21, 2022 5:20:20 GMT -8
Take the other New Island Class Vessel and deploy it on Route 5a to right size to load demand. For the Non-Stop from Swartz Bay to Saturna Island and the 1Hr 20Min voyage, it provides creature comforts that most are accustom to. Route 5a shouldn’t have Island Class what so ever because passengers could be vessel for up to two hours and capacity is everywhere. I personally think that Intermediate class vessel should be on route due better suited passengers cabin and having access to snack bar and able to keep capacity. I agree, and apparently, so does BC Ferries. Queen of Cumberland will be a good fit for Route 5a. But, it has been suggested somewhere on this forum, I think, or maybe by others, that Route 4 might be a good fit for 2 Island Class vessels. Such a deployment wouldn't gain additional capacity above what Skeena Queen can carry (94 cars w/ 2 Island Class boats vs. 92 cars on Skeena) but going to hourly sailings with 2 Island Class vessels would help alleviate the holding capacity issues at Fulford Harbour, and it would give islanders more access to Victoria and to additional Route 1 transfers to Tsawwassen. There is no easy way to grow Fulford, so putting a larger vessel there doesn't help when you have no place to stage vehicles. Alternatively, I guess you could grow Route 4 by keeping Skeena Queen as the primary vessel and having an Island Class vessel provide supplementary service during peak times. So peak hours would get hourly service, and it would increase capacity, too.
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Post by explorer on Mar 21, 2022 14:13:43 GMT -8
"There is no easy way to grow Fulford, so putting a larger vessel there doesn't help when you have no place to stage vehicles."
That's the issue, if BCF refuses to address the Parking Containment Issues at Fulford, Vesuvius and Crofton, adding a larger Ferry only exacerbates the Ferry Traffic Gridlock with no two way traffic. "The Fix for Route Six" fixes the issue at Vesuvius and Crofton. And, to a lesser extent at Fulford by siphoning off traffic from Route 4 to Route 6. How much is yet to be determined. A Survey by BCF or the SSI-FAC would help.
"Alternatively, I guess you could grow Route 4 by keeping Skeena Queen as the primary vessel and having an Island Class vessel provide supplementary service during peak times. So peak hours would get hourly service, and it would increase capacity, too."
Agreed, the only answer is frequency at all 3 Terminals.
Forgive us, it's tough to find any numbers that spell out how many Patrons use Route 5a on the Non-Stops. When we tried to extrapolate the data from Route 5 we came up with 20 vehicles in Winter and 30 vehicles Summer, are we anywhere close to being correct? With the New 2021 Census Data there's less than 270 Permanent Residents living on Saturna Island year round. Would the Facilities on the New Island Class Vessels not be satisfactory for a Non Stop on Route 5a that takes less than 1 Hr 30 min at 12 kts?
JMOHO, we would tend to disagree, that Route 23 needs $100 Million in 2 New Island Class Vessels, with all their attributes for a 10 min sailing. It's a get on and get off situation. You could turn the Vessel every 20 minutes in Peak Demand id ever required. Plus the fact the The Skeena was depreciated years ago. So it's very cost effective.
The Ultimate Fix - provides the needs to no less than 5 Ferry Terminals and mitigates traffic gridlock and sailing waits. Remember, in the Spring of 2019 the Strategic Planners felt that the MV Quinitsa - 44 AEQ would serve Route 6 adequately until 2035. In less than 3 weeks it was deemed an unmitigated disaster. Patrons advised them it was an egregious idea. However they knew best. Within 3 weeks that Lovely Lady showed up - The Bowen Queen, after calls as high up as the Premier's Office.
It's not that Management has neglected Route 6, it's like they have completely abandoned us. For those who depend on this vital service/link for the 11,700 Patrons on Salt Spring and the Goods & Services Providers to and from the Big Island. Add the fact that a clever Strategic Planner suggested in 2003 that Route 6 would require 110 - 118 size vessel by 2013. Here we are in 2022 with all the issues. The Quinitsa and Quinsam would provide 107 AEQ's every hour.
Patrons would be extremely grateful.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Mar 21, 2022 20:29:33 GMT -8
To be honest I think BC Ferries should add two car 100-118 vessels with passengers lounge such as on Queen of Capilano or Malaspina Sky on both route 4, and 8 to keep up the future demand on the routes. I don’t see two Island Class vessels working that will on both of theses routes due the 94 vehicles an hour that already happens with one vessel for future growth these routes might require three or four Island Class just to keep up with demand of route which in the end may cause more chaos compared to two 100-118 vessels. I can see Skeena Queen being moved to route 6 in future to replace Quinsam have larger vessel take over route 4.
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Post by Neil on Mar 21, 2022 21:34:47 GMT -8
To be honest I think BC Ferries should two 100-118 with passengers lounge such as on Queen of Capilano or Malaspina Sky with access to over passengers walkway at Horseshoe Bay and Swartz Bat on both route 4, and 8 to keep up the future demand on the routes. I don’t see two Island Class vessels working that will on both of these routes because 94 vehicles an hour with future growth these routes might require three or four Island Class just to keep up with demand which end may cause chaos compared to two 100-118 vessels. I can see Skeena Queen being moved to route 6 in future to replace Quinsam have larger vessel take over route 4. Bit hard to understand what you're saying. In your first sentence, "BC Ferries should two 100-118..." Should what? Are you familiar with the vehicle space constraints at Fulford Harbour?
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Mar 21, 2022 22:26:25 GMT -8
To be honest I think BC Ferries should two 100-118 with passengers lounge such as on Queen of Capilano or Malaspina Sky with access to over passengers walkway at Horseshoe Bay and Swartz Bat on both route 4, and 8 to keep up the future demand on the routes. I don’t see two Island Class vessels working that will on both of these routes because 94 vehicles an hour with future growth these routes might require three or four Island Class just to keep up with demand which end may cause chaos compared to two 100-118 vessels. I can see Skeena Queen being moved to route 6 in future to replace Quinsam have larger vessel take over route 4. Are you familiar with the vehicle space constraints at Fulford Harbour? Where would you keep three to four vessels on Fulford Harbour? I think might make harder to fix since there would be longer lines though out day because both vessels are take half capacity at a time, it’s not capacity for future.
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