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Post by Retrovision on Apr 15, 2006 16:21:14 GMT -8
If you're looking for a comprehensive run-down of the Ministry of Highways' ferry routes, services, ships, history, etc, then check-out the book from your local library. I think that it's called something fitting like 'BC Ministry of Highways, Coastal and Inland Ferry Routes.'
Cheers
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Post by Scott on Apr 15, 2006 21:11:53 GMT -8
Ministry of Transportation and Highways - Inland and Coastal Ferries
By Frank A. Clapp.
I have the 1981 copy. There is one from the 70's... maybe '73, and I think there's one in '85 or '86. If you find a copy you're lucky. Some libraries have copies - I know Vancouver Public Library does but they're all downtown I think. You might find one on abesbooks.com but it might cost you 50+ bucks... which you definitely wouldn't think it's worth if you have it (no glossy photos or super fancy publishing - it was done by the government) but I suppose since it's rare it boosts the cost up.
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Post by Retrovision on Apr 16, 2006 23:32:44 GMT -8
Ministry of Transportation and Highways - Inland and Coastal Ferries By Frank A. Clapp. I have the 1981 copy. There is one from the 70's... maybe '73, and I think there's one in '85 or '86. If you find a copy you're lucky. Some libraries have copies - I know Vancouver Public Library does but they're all downtown I think. You might find one on abesbooks.com but it might cost you 50+ bucks... which you definitely wouldn't think it's worth if you have it (no glossy photos or super fancy publishing - it was done by the government) but I suppose since it's rare it boosts the cost up. Found it... And, surprising as it may be, you actually underestimated the cost. You can own a copy for a mere US$61.37! (plus shipping!) It's the '81 version, btw. You can find it here: abesbooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=590075064&searchurl=bx%3Doff%26ds%3D30%26bi%3D0%26y%3D15%26kn%3Dferry%2This is the seller (from Ladysmith, according to abebooks.com): northwestbooks.net/
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Post by Queen of Nanaimo Teen on Apr 17, 2006 15:55:51 GMT -8
I already have the 1981 edition and i am looking for the 1991 and 1978 editions. I am also trying to find :"BC Ferries: Exploring British Columbia's Coastal Waterways - A Complete Pictoral Study of B.C.'s Ferry Fleet" There was one on ebay, but it went to high for my liking!
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Post by Curtis on Apr 17, 2006 16:07:39 GMT -8
I was trying to get that same book on Ebay but someone by the name of Pulse got me at the last second
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Post by Neil on Apr 17, 2006 16:09:18 GMT -8
I have two copies of that Dept. of Highways book, both of which I snipped pages from years ago when I was making files on all the ferries. $62 each? Arrrggh!
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Post by Queen of Nanaimo Teen on Apr 17, 2006 16:44:38 GMT -8
ya, that guy won! argggggh
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Post by Curtis on Apr 17, 2006 16:47:10 GMT -8
I get the wierd feeling he doesn't like Ferries he just bids on alot of items
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Post by Queen of Nanaimo Teen on Apr 17, 2006 17:15:53 GMT -8
ya, really!
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Post by Retrovision on Apr 17, 2006 19:32:47 GMT -8
I already have the 1981 edition and i am looking for the 1991 and 1978 editions. I am also trying to find :"BC Ferries: Exploring British Columbia's Coastal Waterways - A Complete Pictoral Study of B.C.'s Ferry Fleet" There was one on ebay, but it went to high for my liking! I found my copy, the same as the ones 4 sale on www.abebooks.com , from a used book store in Sidney; but I noticed last summer that the Maritime Museum of British Columbia in Victoria (in Bastion Square, btw) was selling new copies of what is probably the last printing of the book. The new ones have a beige border on the cover, instead of a blue one.
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Post by Scott on Jun 25, 2006 14:15:43 GMT -8
You could borrow it from a library and photocopy it. I did that... just for the coastal section, when I was doing some research.
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Post by Neil on Apr 25, 2006 21:56:25 GMT -8
Picked up a little book called "Coasters" at Save-On-Foods the other day- it's actually one I've been looking for to complete my local ferry/ ship collection. Only about 55 pages, on the Lady Rose, Frances Barkley, Uchuck III, and Tyee Princess, and the services on the west coast of the Island, and the central coast. I was wondering, now that Coast Ferries is no more, does anyone know of any scheduled freight services to the north Island- central coast area? I know we have the Aurora Explorer, operated by Marine Link, but are there any others? BC has had subsidised, scheduled freight service to upcoast areas for decades- Coast Ferries, Northland Navigation, and others, and I find it hard to believe the Aurora Explorer would be the only one left to service all the logging camps and tiny settlements on all the islands and inlets. "Coasters" is worth reading - interesting accounts of a kind of transportation system most of us aren't very familiar with, but which has provided an essential lifeline to small communities on the coast for a long time.
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Post by queenofcowichan on Oct 12, 2007 18:28:00 GMT -8
For anyone who is looking for a copy of the Ships of British Columbia book, The book written in 1985 by Gary and Patricia Bannerman I know where you can pick one up for $21.00. There is a used bookstore in Terminal Park in Nanaimo between Mcdonalds and Burger King (The store is right beside or close to the TD Bank). To get to Terminal Park from Departure Bay terminal go up the hill (Towards Brooks Landing) and make a left turn at the first set of lights and go straight untill you see a Save On Foods its in the outdoor shopping centre.
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Post by Ferryman on Oct 13, 2007 4:51:31 GMT -8
Yikes, for 21 bucks, I'd hope it was brand new! I got mine for 14 bucks in Sidney last year and it's in near mint condition.
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Post by Retrovision on Oct 13, 2007 8:08:46 GMT -8
I hope that you don't mind, queenofcowichan, but it seems that we're due for a general ferry, etc., book thread and you've provided a great opportunity here so I've renamed the thread to fit. Off the top of my head I can think of the following that I own myself (Including 'steamship', etc., books)... Ferries:- The Ships of British ColumbiaBy Gary & Patricia Bannerman, 1985, Hancock House Publishers Ltd. - Dogwood FleetBy Cadieux & Griffiths, 1967 - The Queens of British ColumbiaBy Peter Favelle, 1974, Discovery Magazine Ltd. - Ferries of Puget SoundBy Steven J. Pickens, 2005, Arcadia Publishing (And that I don't own, but can be found or requested at your local library) - Ministry of Transportation and Highways - Inland and Coastal FerriesBy Frank A. Clapp, 1973 + 1981 (As well as an earlier version, apparently), Queen's Printer for British Columbia Steamships:- The Pacific Princesses: An Illustrated History of the Canadian Pacific's Princess Fleet on the Northwest CoastBy Robert D. Turner, 1977 + Post-2000 updated version , Sono Nis Press - The Pacific Empresses: An Illustrated History of the CPR's Trans-Pacific Ocean LinersBy Robert D. Turner, 1981, Sono Nis Press - Those Beautiful Coastal LinersBy Robert D. Turner, 2001, Sono Nis Press - The Princess Story: A Century and a Half of West Coast ShippingBy Norman R. Hacking and W. Kaye Lamb, 1974, Mitchell Press Limited - Empress to the OrientBy W. Kaye Lamb, 1991, Vancouver Maritime Museum Society - Prince Ships of Northern B.C.: Ships of the Grand Trunk Pacific and Canadian National RailwaysBy Norman Hacking, 1995, Heritage House Publishing Company Ltd. - Navigating the Coast: A History of the Union Steamship CompanyBy W. J. Langlois, Janet Cauthers, Derek Reimer, Sound Heritage - Volume VI, Number 2, 1977, Published quarterly by Aural History - Provincial Archives of British Columbia(This particualr volume can be found at numerous used book stores) ...Can anyone add to this list? Yikes, for 21 bucks, I'd hope it was brand new! I got mine for 14 bucks in Sidney last year and it's in near mint condition. $21 maybe for a good condition hard cover version, but even my soft cover version was only $12 in Sidney.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Oct 13, 2007 8:34:41 GMT -8
I also have: - The Good Company - An Affectionate History of the Union Steamshipsby Tom Henry. Harbour Publishing. 1994 www.harbourpublishing.com/title/TheGoodCompany- Launching History - The Saga of the Burrard Dry Dockby Francis Mansbridge. Harbour Publishing. 2002 www.harbourpublishing.com/title/LaunchingHistory------------------ Here's a Tom Henry book that I don't have, but it looks interesting: Westcoasters - Boats That Built BC by Tom Henry www.harbourpublishing.com/title/Westcoasters================= Books in common with Retro's post: - I also have Turner's Pacific Princesses book, and Hacking's Prince-Ships book. I also have Garry & Patty Bannerman's book. And I think I have "The Queens of British Columbia" somewhere too, if that's the thin booklet-styled photo book.
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Post by Mill Bay on Oct 13, 2007 21:59:21 GMT -8
I'll add to this list...
I have two copies of
-The Ships of British Columbia: One my parents bought a long time ago just before it was going out of print... I read it like crazy, so it is kind of falling apart (but only at the seams... and it is only paperback)
The other one is a nice hard-cover that I'm keeping safe, and I got it from an old history buff... maybe ferry geek/rail-neerd... I'm even having trouble placing his name right now. But he came to our house once with a box of books, said some might interest me, which they certainly did...
I'd say overall, to get a copy given to you is the best way.
In the same box, I was very interested to find a book called:
Ferryboats : a legend on Puget Sound by M S Kline; G A Bayless Publisher: Seattle : Bayless Books, 1983.
(I wonder if that means it was self-published...?)
But this one is incredible to look at.
I also have the Dogwood Fleet and The Queens of British Columbia both of which I found completely by accident.
And an unusual one called :
BC Ferries: Exploring British Columbia's Coastal Waterways. (A complete pictorial study of B.C.'s ferry fleet) Published by John L. Barnard Photographs Ltd., Victoria B.C.
I think it was an actual collaborative project with the ferry corporation at the time (it was actually purchasable on the ferries)... what makes it strange is they have pictures for the stretching sequences that are complete mis-matches.
Other than that, I'm looking for the old Ministry books and some of the steamship ones are on my to do list.
I must also say that train books far out number ferry books for me... I am not going to attempt a list, but one that might be somewhat relevant to the west coast and, thereby, the ferries is:
Vancouver Island Railroads; Robert D. Turner, Golden West Books, San Marino, 1973 & Sono Nis Press, Victoria, 1997
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Post by Queen of Nanaimo Teen on Oct 13, 2007 22:09:11 GMT -8
Lets not forget: BC Ferries and the Canadian West Coast By David and Andrea Spalding, 1996, Altitide Publishing Canada (not that great of a book, but I got it anyways)
Here's 2 more that I really enjoyed reading:
-Whistle Up the Inlet By Gerald A. Rushton, 1974 Douglas and Macintyre
-Echoes of the Whistle By Gerald A. Rushton, Douglas and Macintyre (Sequel to Whistle up the Inlet)
And for those of you interested in inland steamships:
-Sternwheelers and Steam Tugs By Robert D. Turner, 1984, Sono Nis Press
-The Sicamous & The Naramata By Robert D. Turner, 1995, Sono Nis Press
-The S.S. Moyie By Robert D. Turner, 1991, Sono Nis Press
So in other words, Robert D. Turner is an excellent author! I currently own 6 of his books! All very interesting reads.
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Post by Nick on Oct 14, 2007 0:18:31 GMT -8
I have "BC Ferries and the Canadian West Coast", and "BC Ferries, Exploring BC's Coastal Waterways ". The Spaulding book is full of inacuracies, but it makes for OK reading, especially when I was 10. I remember checking "The Ships of British Columbia" many times out of the library. Sadly, I never got a copy.
The book/"magazine" "BCF, Exploring BC's Coastal Waterways" is really good for its photos. There are some spectacular shots in it. The stretching and lifting segment is really to just give the background on what they did and how. Not to show a pictorial "before and after". It seems as if they just used photos that were on hand at the time.
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Post by Scott on Oct 14, 2007 12:58:47 GMT -8
Most of these books can be found if you look long and hard enough. You might get lucky at a second hand store. If not, then there are used book stores that usually charge quite a bit more.. and usually they know whether they're rare or not and price them accordingly. If you still have no luck, check Abesbooks, which has a database of thousands of used book stores from all over North America and sometimes they will have some of these books available. And even still, sometimes you can find them on eBay.
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Post by queenofcowichan on Oct 14, 2007 13:35:21 GMT -8
Topic Name change fine with me.
The particular book I was looking at is in good condition, but I would not pay 21 dollars for it especiallly when the book was first published you could buy it for 25 bucks brand new. As I may have mentioned in the past I did get my hands on a copy of the book at a used book store in Parksville. (John H, I am refering to the one right in front of the 4star Barber shop across the street from the Pacific Rim cafe.) I paid around 5bucks for it.
I mentioned the one in Nanaimo incase anyone was desperated enough to buy it.
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Post by BreannaF on Oct 15, 2007 5:43:18 GMT -8
Three books on my shelf beyond some of those that have been mentioned before now:
Northwest Ferry Tales A book of poems & anecdotes about Puget Sound Ferries as collected by Joyce Delbridge, 1989, Vashon Point Productions.
Mayne Island & The Outer Gulf Islands: A History Marie Elliott, 1989, Gulf Islands Press. Not strictly a ferry book, but since the history of the islands is so intertwined with marine history and ferries, there are whole chapters and major parts of other chapters on the history of ferry service in the Gulf Islands.
The Water Link: A History of Puget Sound as a Resource Daniel Jack Chasan, 1981, University of Washington Press. Again, not strictly a ferry book, but lots of historical information and pictures of ferries and other historical Puget Sound ships.
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Post by Mill Bay on Apr 4, 2008 22:00:48 GMT -8
ferrynutseattle'z post about new ferry books reminded me that I saw a copy of the Bannerman book recently at a used book store in Chilliwack. It was in quite good condition, he is a very high quality used book store.
I believe this to be the current address and info for the store if anyone wants to maybe pursue the book.
Nuggets Used Books 7164 Vedder Rd Suite 2, Chilliwack, BC, Canada Phone: (604) 824-1954
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Post by Dane on Apr 5, 2008 19:45:51 GMT -8
- Ministry of Transportation and Highways - Inland and Coastal FerriesBy Frank A. Clapp, 1973 + 1981 (As well as an earlier version, apparently), Queen's Printer for British Columbia In addition to the two you own there is also a 1991 copy that's quite good - I have never seen it at a used book store, but I haven't been looking either. Worth getting if you find a copy.
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Post by Low Light Mike on May 19, 2008 12:27:43 GMT -8
I went book shopping on Quadra Island this weekend, at the "Book Bonanza" store in Q-Cove plaza. The store boasts a great selection of BC Coastal books, and so I was anticipating an enjoyable browse through the store. The store has mainly new books, with some used as well; so there are hidden gems. I bought 4 ship related books: 1) Those Beautiful Coastal Liners By Robert D. Turner, 2001, Sono Nis Press - I already have the larger "Pacific Princesses" book by Turner, so I was a bit worried about duplication. But it seems that this "Beautiful coastal liners" book is more of a pictorial, with photos that I haven't seen before (such as more photos of Princess Victoria before&after). 2) The Princess Story: A Century and a Half of West Coast Shipping By Norman R. Hacking and W. Kaye Lamb, 1974, Mitchell Press Limited - I know Hacking's name, because he wrote the book on the "Melville Navy", ie "Prince Ships" of CN. This is a 360 page book with what looks to be a good mix of pictures and stories/info. 3) "Coasters" by Rob Morris, 1993, Horsdal & Schubert publishers. - This 53-page small book tells of 4 ships: Uchuck III, Lady Rose, Frances Barkley, Tyee Princess. It includes deck-charts for these ships. ....and then the used-book gem that I was hoping to find some day: 4) Dogwood Fleet By Cadieux & Griffiths, 1967 - Written as a Canada-centennial project, in the pre-stretch era. It includes foreshadowing musing of how the new fleet would likely be expanded to keep up with growing demand. I like the sentence where they speculate on the ability to cut the ship and insert a middle-section to add length. - It also has the nerd-candy of an obvious error re referring to Powell River Queen as "Jervis Queen". I think that Mrs. Cadieux & Griffiths were leaving this error as a discussion piece for some future ferry-nerd-group to talk about....... ;D I haven't started reading these new books yet, as I try to adhere to a FIFO policy of reading books (first in, first out), and I'm still reading something that I bought on Galiano Island in July 07. I live 2 minutes away from a Chapters bookstore, but I seem to buy all my books from gulf Island bookstores, when I'm on vacation. That's a conscious choice. Moderator edited for typo. Consider this a warning.
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