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Post by mirrlmak on Mar 14, 2017 12:23:11 GMT -8
Is the Northern Adventure a 'black sheep' of the family now that the Chilliwack is gone?I understand it is the off season, and that shes most likely at Deas, but I never see her on AIS or mentioned much anymore.
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Post by mybidness459 on Apr 1, 2017 14:19:45 GMT -8
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Post by mirrlmak on Apr 10, 2017 10:26:41 GMT -8
I see they shifted Bowen Queen up to Port McNeill- Alert Bay - Sointula since Island Sky is back on its regular route. Interesting to see the shuffle:
North Island Princess to Allied Shipyards? Tachek to Blubber Bay Quadra Queen II to Heriot Bay Bowen Queen to Port McNeill- Alert Bay - Sointula
Does anyone know why they would send Bowen Queen up to this route versus lets say Quinitsa? Would it have to do with berth fittings/crewing or would it be capacity?
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Post by Neil on Apr 10, 2017 11:37:38 GMT -8
I see they shifted Bowen Queen up to Port McNeill- Alert Bay - Sointula since Island Sky is back on its regular route. Interesting to see the shuffle: North Island Princess to Allied Shipyards? Tachek to Blubber Bay Quadra Queen II to Heriot Bay Bowen Queen to Port McNeill- Alert Bay - Sointula Does anyone know why they would send Bowen Queen up to this route versus lets say Quinitsa? Would it have to do with berth fittings/crewing or would it be capacity? Quinitsa is too slow to keep the schedule out of Port MacNeill, and it also has poor seakeeping abilities, which is a factor in Johnstone Strait.
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Post by arrrrmatey on Apr 18, 2017 12:08:50 GMT -8
According to AIS, Coastal Renaissance has been moved from Departure Bay and appears to be tied up at what I think is the cruise ship terminal in Nanaimo. I wouldn't know why she is there, but perhaps getting ready to take over for the Inspiration for a while?
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Post by Low Light Mike on Apr 18, 2017 12:30:50 GMT -8
According to AIS, Coastal Renaissance has been moved from Departure Bay and appears to be tied up at what I think is the cruise ship terminal in Nanaimo. I wouldn't know why she is there, but perhaps getting ready to take over for the Inspiration for a while? I think she's getting some diver inspections done, and I guess the cruise ship terminal was the most convenient place.
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Post by mybidness459 on Apr 18, 2017 14:14:23 GMT -8
Frankly, I am expecting the Renaissance to replace the Inspiration as the Inspiration still needs to go for some R&R before the Summer as she normally does.
Which brings up another Question, I am assuming the Renaissance will be on RT 1 for most of the winter 2017-2018 and 2018-2019 Seasons. I do not expect we will see the Spirit ships return from Poland until at Least June at the end of their Mid-life refits. Would it be fair to assume that for the Inspiration's refits in 2018 and 2019 that the Queen of Coquitlam would replace the Inspiration?
I do not see any other logical vessel they could use. The New West would be #2 out of Tsawwassen and other vessels are on their Respective runs.
This is why I think BCF should keep the Queen of Nanaimo around as a back up until the Spirit of VI returns in 2019 in case of Break downs. As Bill Paxton said in U571 "She's Old but she will Hold" The Burnaby did rt 30 once, So I know the Nanaimo can.
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Post by roeco on Apr 18, 2017 16:59:36 GMT -8
Thats why their doing Spirit refits in off season so their are ships that are ususally not in use and can provide back up if needed. So they should be good, even christmas they could always use a Salish or Island Sky for extra capacity on Langdale if they had to.
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Post by arrrrmatey on Apr 18, 2017 17:53:43 GMT -8
Frankly, I am expecting the Renaissance to replace the Inspiration as the Inspiration still needs to go for some R&R before the Summer as she normally does. Which brings up another Question, I am assuming the Renaissance will be on RT 1 for most of the winter 2017-2018 and 2018-2019 Seasons. I do not expect we will see the Spirit ships return from Poland until at Least June at the end of their Mid-life refits. Would it be fair to assume that for the Inspiration's refits in 2018 and 2019 that the Queen of Coquitlam would replace the Inspiration? I do not see any other logical vessel they could use. The New West would be #2 out of Tsawwassen and other vessels are on their Respective runs. This is why I think BCF should keep the Queen of Nanaimo around as a back up until the Spirit of VI returns in 2019 in case of Break downs. As Bill Paxton said in U571 "She's Old but she will Hold" The Burnaby did rt 30 once, So I know the Nanaimo can. I think it would be best if they used the Renaissance to replace the Inspiration for refit, and then just use the SoVI, Celebration and New west on route 1. Usually in the off season holidays/weekends the #2 boats only do 2-3 round trips. If they all did 4, perhaps with the Celebration starting at 6am, then service levels would likely still be adequate even with the New West being #1 out of Tsawassen. They would probably also move the Inspirations' refit to a time when it would not be too detrimental to Route 1 to lose the Renaissance for a few weeks or a month. Alternatively.... they could probably figure out a safe way to use the Coquitlam in Active Pass, as she would be an good candidate for Route 1 temporary replacement, capacity-wise, rather than route 30. An employee at Tsawassen last summer told me that she used to be a 5th boat on Route 1 in the summers, though I don't know when that would have been... I'm assuming the 80's or early 90's.
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Post by Dane on Apr 18, 2017 18:47:24 GMT -8
There was five boat service off an on for Route 1 throughout the years. I'm not too sure when the final year would have been, before or at the enter of the Spirits for sure.
The C class not being able to do Route 1 is some strange fallacy that developed ... somewhere? On the internet the legend seems to have begun with the Alberni grounding, but in reality C class vessels appeared on the Route after that. Really their limited passenger space and amenities make them less ideal for Route 1, and historically there wasn't a pool of ships that could keep the Route 2 schedule (a problem the Coastals eliminate).
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Post by WettCoast on Apr 18, 2017 22:17:47 GMT -8
There was five boat service off an on for Route 1 throughout the years. I'm not too sure when the final year would have been, before or at the enter of the Spirits for sure. The C class not being able to do Route 1 is some strange fallacy that developed ... somewhere? On the internet the legend seems to have begun with the Alberni grounding, but in reality C class vessels appeared on the Route after that. Really their limited passenger space and amenities make them less ideal for Route 1, and historically there wasn't a pool of ships that could keep the Route 2 schedule (a problem the Coastals eliminate). In 1997 there were 2 Spirits & 3 V's operating on route 1. The Victoria was the extra ...
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Post by Dane on Apr 19, 2017 10:57:13 GMT -8
I have a 97 scheduling kicking around. Clearly I should go read it!
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Post by Neil on Apr 19, 2017 11:56:17 GMT -8
I have a 97 scheduling kicking around. Clearly I should go read it! It won't tell you which ships were on the major routes.
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Post by mybidness459 on Apr 19, 2017 14:15:46 GMT -8
Well instead of using Active Pass the C class ships should be capable of keeping the scheduled sailings if they route via Boundary Pass I would think. If I recall correctly from a previous post on this forum a few years ago it took the Alberni about 1 hour and 15-20 minutes via Active Pass to do RT 1. It only took the Spirit of BC a extra 15 to 20 minutes to route via Boundary Pass a few years ago when due to tides and a mechanical issue shere-routed.
The C-Class are faster vessels so I would assume it could take Boundary Pass and remain on schedule. The problem is the cost of extra fuel for The re-route.
I believe according to past posts on the forum C-Class vessels must remain in mode 2 throughout the transit of Active Pass which slows them down, they are Not Banned.
According to BC Ferries website the C-Class vessels can carry more cars or AEQ than the Coastals but carry less passenger capacity, and on that fact alone I can not see the Coquitlam ever been used on RT 1 instead of the Coastals. RT 1 carries far more passengers than RT 2 or 30 and must have a Coastal over a C class based on my assumption on that fact alone.
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Post by Dane on Apr 19, 2017 15:36:37 GMT -8
I have a 97 scheduling kicking around. Clearly I should go read it! It won't tell you which ships were on the major routes. Even my Arts Degree will allow me sufficient math skills to differentiate between four and five boat service on Route 1!
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Post by Neil on Apr 19, 2017 15:41:38 GMT -8
It won't tell you which ships were on the major routes. Even my Arts Degree will allow me sufficient math skills to differentiate between four and five boat service on Route 1! Jim had mentioned which vessels they were... I was just pointing out that that information came from somewhere other than the schedule.
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Post by Dane on Apr 19, 2017 15:44:58 GMT -8
I gathered as much. I didn't even realize the Victoria was operating regularly that late - would the Vs have been using platforms at that time? That's a heck of a lot of lift capacity potential for standard height vehicles.
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Post by Curtis on May 3, 2017 14:55:03 GMT -8
Salish Orca is heading north! Just past Nanaimo at this moment. Presumably headed to Saltery Bay.
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Post by Kahn_C on May 3, 2017 16:16:52 GMT -8
Salish Eagle has re-positioned from Deas to Tsawwassen.
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Post by mybidness459 on May 4, 2017 12:29:15 GMT -8
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Post by Kahn_C on May 4, 2017 15:15:33 GMT -8
Based on her tracks it looks like she did a Route 30 dry run. I wonder why though...
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Post by WettCoast on May 4, 2017 15:38:13 GMT -8
Based on her tracks it looks like she did a Route 30 dry run. I wonder why though... Maybe they might put a Salish class vessel on that route if they had an exceptional situation. I wonder how many 'semi' type trucks could be handled on her main car deck?
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Post by Kahn_C on May 9, 2017 10:02:33 GMT -8
The Eagle is out for a test drive off Tsawwassen today.
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Post by Kahn_C on May 9, 2017 11:03:26 GMT -8
And the Orca is apparently making a trip to Comox.
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Post by mybidness459 on May 9, 2017 12:11:20 GMT -8
And the Raven is crossing the Atlantic,.. Sorry I couldn't resist been a smart #ss here.
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