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Post by Kahloke on Jan 12, 2012 7:39:07 GMT -8
Originally nicknamed the Evergreen Mistake, she has maintained the unique characteristics of her period. Sort of. Much of her appearance these days is the result of various modifications over the years. The vessel still looks very similar to her original form, unlike other ferries (ahem...Queen of Alberni ), but the most notable change is that Evergreen is slightly taller than she was when first built. Sometime in the 80's, I'm not sure if it was during her refurbishment in 1988, or earlier (EGFleet can chime in here ), but the vessel was sliced in half through the car deck (horizontally), and a section was added in to make the car deck taller for overheights. Does anyone remember how many feet were added? I don't think it was more than 2 or 3 feet, but it was enough to accommodate taller rigs. That was probably the biggest modification this boat has seen. Apart from that, the 1988 refurb. plated over the open-girder Texas Deck (believed to be an installation mistake in the original build) to make that a smooth walking surface. The increased weight of those deck plates led to the boat being very top-heavy, so they had to reduce weight in other locations, the most visible measure being the removal of the ceiling panels in the passenger cabin. Another big change was the addition of an elevator, and then I'm sure there were a bunch of smaller modifications, including the cabin finishes. None of the finishes you see now (lighting, flooring, furniture, etc.) are original. They've all been updated. Also, the galley layout has been changed. I'm not exactly sure when that occurred, in 1988 or perhaps some other time. Hey, EGFleet or Barnacle, when was the Duty Free Counter added? Was that in the 1988 re-build? In any case, that addition has been modified again more recently - they've completely enclosed it and turned it into storage or something. Other more recent modifications include the outside connection between the pickle-forks, something all of the Evergreen-Class vessels received (that was more recent than 1988, right?), the DBC evacuation slides on the car deck, various SOLAS upgrades along the way to make her compliant for the Sidney run, and probably a bunch of other less noticeable modifications, as well. One very visible element that has not changed is the pilot houses. Unlike her sister ships, which have seen their pilothouse windows changed out for forward-slanting glass, Evergreen still maintains her original configuration.
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 12, 2012 9:01:57 GMT -8
Sort of. Much of her appearance these days is the result of various modifications over the years. The vessel still looks very similar to her original form, *edit* but the most notable change is that Evergreen is slightly taller than she was when first built. Sometime in the 80's, I'm not sure if it was during her refurbishment in 1988... It was. I believe the clearance was jacked from 12'6" to... 15'7", I think; it's since been reduced to about 15'3" (13'10" in the wings). Rumored, anyway. Makes a good story at the least. Crew have horror stories of shoveling the snow out of those "pockets" on the Texas deck. Yes, 1988. I heard a crew member claim that the elevator wasn't added until a couple of years later... just looked at a picture of the EState at Kingston in 1990 or so and if it had an elevator, then they were running with the #2 end facing west--which was not the case in my very hazy recollection. It would also explain why the boat originally (to 1988) had one of those stair-climbing chairs. It's a crew space now; I don't know if Duty-Free was part of the 1988 renovation or not. Yes. I don't know when exactly that was done--after 1988, before 1997. Yes, and that is one modification I wouldn't have complained about had they made it. Not to mention all those brass window frames to polish... ;D
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Post by mrdot on Jan 12, 2012 11:23:51 GMT -8
:)I think the thing that most impresses me is that this vessel looks the same as it did in my youth, and not very many vessels or land based structures have lasted my lifespan! and the best thing is that Washington state vessels still are evergreen! mrdot
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Post by zargoman on Jan 12, 2012 17:38:21 GMT -8
In relation to the deck below, the Evergreen's wheelhouse is farther forward than the Klahowya/Tillikum. However, the layout of the shelter deck is different, so it's hard to say. The pickleforks on the Evergreen are much longer than the other two. I'm not sure about the wheelhouse itself. At first glance, it looks a lot wider than the Klahowya/Tillikum, but with the new windows they have, it makes it challenging to verify. The Klahowya and Tillikum both have wheelhouse window changes and both are slightly different. Evergreen State Klahowya Tillikum Out of the three, I like the Evergreen the best. I wish that she would come down and replace the Klahowya or Tillikum. She used to do that, but hasn't (I don't think) since the Steel E's were removed.
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Post by lmtengs on Jan 12, 2012 19:14:55 GMT -8
The Wheelhouse is definitely wider on the Evergreen. Draw a line on the Klahowya photo directly forward from the right side of the wheelhouse to a point directly above the lounge windows below. There's about a two-window-length gap between the line and the last window on the right. On the Evergreen, it's about One and one third of a window for the gap.
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Post by Kahloke on Jan 12, 2012 20:55:35 GMT -8
In relation to the deck below, the Evergreen's wheelhouse is farther forward than the Klahowya/Tillikum. However, the layout of the shelter deck is different, so it's hard to say. The pickleforks on the Evergreen are much longer than the other two. I believe the pilot houses are the same distance apart on all three vessels. What makes Klahowya and Tillikum different is the forward bump in the shelter area, which pushes further out beyond the pilot houses. Evergreen doesn't have that bump, and thus her pilot house is flush with the front. The shelter area bump was a design modification from Evergreen to give Klahowya and Tillikum a slightly larger passenger cabin. Don't forget, these two vessels were built 4-5 years after Evergreen entered service, so they had time to tweak the design. That modification also accounts for the pickle forks being a little shorter on those two vessels. All 3 vessels are roughly the same length overall.
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 13, 2012 8:51:39 GMT -8
And the Evergreen's pilothouse is no wider than the Klahowya or Tillikum's pilothouses. The difference you're looking at is that the entry stairs are on the sides of the Evergreen's pilothouses; they're behind the pilothouses on the other two.
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Post by Cascadian Transport on Jan 13, 2012 16:45:30 GMT -8
Tillikum Out of the three, I like the Evergreen the best. I wish that she would come down and replace the Klahowya or Tillikum. She used to do that, but hasn't (I don't think) since the Steel E's were removed. I am pretty sure the Evergreen was at either Defiance or Fauntleroy when the Klahowya went to the San Juans. Also, where was this pic of the Tillikum taken? Looks like Colman!
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Post by Cascadian Transport on Jan 13, 2012 18:47:39 GMT -8
Maybe it is just me, but that looks like one of the San Juans that Klahowya is passing. I apologize, as I am wandering off topic.
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Post by Kahloke on Jan 13, 2012 21:25:24 GMT -8
Maybe it is just me, but that looks like one of the San Juans that Klahowya is passing. I apologize, as I am wandering off topic. I doubt very much that it's the San Juans. It looks a lot like the north end of Vashon Island which is far more likely.
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Post by zargoman on Jan 14, 2012 11:18:19 GMT -8
It was somewhere between Fauntleroy and Southworth. Can't remember exactly where though.
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jan 24, 2012 20:53:04 GMT -8
I might finally get on the Evergreen State Friday. Planning a overnight trp Thursday/Friday to Anacortes with my g/f and planning on taking the Evergreen State on a roundtrip from Friday Harbour. And probably be on the Yakima too and the Sealth. It's about time for another WSF trip!!
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 24, 2012 21:10:31 GMT -8
I might finally get on the Evergreen State Friday. Planning a overnight trp Thursday/Friday to Anacortes with my g/f and planning on taking the Evergreen State on a roundtrip from Friday Harbour. And probably be on the Yakima too and the Sealth. It's about time for another WSF trip!! I'll save Kahloke or Barnacle their usual task with you, and remind you that they spell their words in US-english in the USA.... Have a good trip to Friday Harbor. Yakima, Sealth and E-State. That's a good variety of classes. I'm jealous. - plus you get the treat of being on the only Issaquah-class ship still in her original car-deck configuration.
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jan 24, 2012 22:11:27 GMT -8
Well we were on the Sealth last time we were down there last March when we did a day trip but I havent been on the Yakima yet or the Evergreen State which are two ships I really want to get on. Would be cool to get on the Yakima for two trips but the schedule is pretty hard when you have specific ships your trying to get on, lol!
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Post by elwha on Jan 26, 2012 19:57:01 GMT -8
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 27, 2012 8:23:28 GMT -8
The inter-island ferry ties up in FH because the service to the islands from the "mainland" (Fidalgo Island ) continues after the inter-island boat is tied up for the night. If the inter-island boat were tied up there, there wouldn't be anywhere for the in-service boats to dock. As for "putting the tie-up slip in Friday Harbor to good use overnight," you have the wrong end of the horse. The tie-up slip was installed for the inter-island boat, not "well, we have this tie-up slip here... let's use it." You might as well say it's "fishy" that WSF runs a boat out of Friday Harbor because so many crew members live out there... it must be for their convenience, right? Speaking of "fishy," I fail to see the conspiracy in having a connection for various crew members (the very few that come from anywhere other than Friday Harbor) to get to Friday Harbor in time for a shift to start. It isn't like the boat runs out to FH empty--that's how most of the commercial (delivery-type) traffic gets out to San Juan Island. And since the international no longer ties up out there, some vessel has to leave Anacortes at oh-dark-thirty to make the 6 AM commuter trip from FH. There is no conspiracy here, unless you're KING-5's Susannah Frame. (Are you?)
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jan 28, 2012 17:57:14 GMT -8
I rode the Evergreen State Friday on her 11:30am trip from Friday Harbour to Orcas, Shaw and Lopez then back to Friday Harbour. Dident realize that specific trip is like the Gulf Islands where you can get on at any port and go back to Friday Harbour as I thought Lopez was the last stop and you had to get off but I even asked the Purser and they said we could stay onboard which was cool. I love the Evergreen State she reminds me of the Bowen and Mayne Queens when she's chugging along, lol! Classic ship and I hope to get on her again soon! By the way does WSF ever sound the horns?? Never heard horns once on all ferries.
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Post by FNS on Jan 28, 2012 18:08:25 GMT -8
The EVERGREEN STATE has a deep sounding whistle.
Come to Puget Sound when it's foggy. You may hear a lot of whistle blasts from the ferries.
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 29, 2012 4:51:36 GMT -8
I rode the Evergreen State Friday on her 11:30am trip from Friday Harbour to Orcas, Shaw and Lopez then back to Friday Harbour. Dident realize that specific trip is like the Gulf Islands where you can get on at any port and go back to Friday Harbour as I thought Lopez was the last stop and you had to get off but I even asked the Purser and they said we could stay onboard which was cool. I love the Evergreen State she reminds me of the Bowen and Mayne Queens when she's chugging along, lol! Classic ship and I hope to get on her again soon! By the way does WSF ever sound the horns?? Never heard horns once on all ferries. If you'd have ever come to ride on *my* boat, I could just about guarantee you a landing whistle... But no, on the whole, the whistles don't get used too much any more. They have largely been replaced by VHF radio in communication; most whistle sound-offs are either (a) to get the attention of pleasure craft that we feel are acting inappropriately or (b) for fun. ;D
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jan 29, 2012 8:27:49 GMT -8
Where are you now seeing the Chelan is not in the San Juans?
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 29, 2012 13:53:20 GMT -8
Where are you now seeing the Chelan is not in the San Juans? I'm in the San Juans. Deck crews are attached to a particular run and schedule, not a particular vessel. I generally don't announce to the world what boat I'm on, though. Keeps the office guessing (as if they can't figure it out eventually anyway, just by what I say).
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Post by zargoman on Mar 3, 2012 14:32:44 GMT -8
Looks like "we" are getting the Evergreen in the South Sound for a little while. I love this boat. Should be fun (well, not for commuters...at least she is replacing another Evergreen State class boat's position. It's been nice having two 130s on the route though)
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Post by zargoman on Mar 3, 2012 14:33:04 GMT -8
She is at Eagle Harbor now
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Post by Cascadian Transport on Mar 3, 2012 17:20:31 GMT -8
Position 3 at F/V/S and position 4 in the Islands are currently N/A. However, for whatever reason, positions 1 and 2 at F/V/S are Issaquah and Kitsap.
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Post by lavalamp on Mar 3, 2012 20:53:35 GMT -8
The winter schedule runs only two boats at F/V/S and no inter-island boat on the weekends. So, there is no #3 on F/V/S, and no #4 (inter-island) in the Islands Saturday and Sunday.
They usually rotate which boat is tied up for the weekend at F/V/S. It seems to be the Tillikum's turn (it was Issaquah's last weekend I think).
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