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Post by zargoman on Mar 4, 2012 15:15:15 GMT -8
During the week, the #1 and #2 boat switch. Issaquah is the #3 boat and stays the same. As far as I know, Issaquah is always run on weekends, and the other boat changes each week. Should be Issaquah and Tillikum or Issaquah and Kitsap for right now. Next weekend, it should be Issaquah and Tillikum or Issaquah and Evergreen State.
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Post by zargoman on Mar 4, 2012 15:17:32 GMT -8
And, the switch was made. The Evergreen and Issaquah are running and Evergreen is already experiencing delays.
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Post by SS San Mateo on Mar 4, 2012 15:25:31 GMT -8
During the week, the #1 and #2 boat switch. Issaquah is the #3 boat and stays the same. As far as I know, Issaquah is always run on weekends, and the other boat changes each week. Should be Issaquah and Tillikum or Issaquah and Kitsap for right now. Next weekend, it should be Issaquah and Tillikum or Issaquah and Evergreen State. The Issaquah (or whatever vessel is running as the #3 boat during the week) runs on weekends. The #1 and #2 vessels switch mid-week (it used to be on weekends starting in 2003 when the repositioning was reinstated. I'm not sure when it was changed to mid-week).
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Post by old_wsf_fan on Mar 4, 2012 16:43:14 GMT -8
San Mateo, Could you explain vessel repositioning? What is it, when was ended the first time, then reinstated in 2003?
Thank you.
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Post by SS San Mateo on Mar 4, 2012 17:30:17 GMT -8
It's basically switching the running positions of the #1 and #2 boats. For example (using the regular vessel assignments), suppose the Klahowya is the #1 vessel on Tuesday and the Tillikum is the #2 vessel. On Wednesday, the Klahowya becomes the #2 vessel and the Tillikum is the #1 vessel (in other words, whatever sailings the Klahowya made on Tuesday will be made by the Tillikum on Wednesday and vice versa). The online schedules have a number next to the departure time which indicates which vessel is scheduled to make that sailing. I think the switch occurs at the start of the service day.
Prior to 2003, this procedure hadn't been done (at least not on a regular basis) after the Issaquah was assigned to the Vashon route after receiving the side car decks in 1990. When the schedule was significantly revised in fall 2003, the procedure was reinstated. Initially the switch occurred on Saturday, but was later changed to occur on Wednesday (not exactly when it was changed, but I think it was within the last 2-3 years).
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Post by northwesterner on Mar 4, 2012 18:04:58 GMT -8
Mr. San Mateo -
Presumably they didn't make the switch for most of the 90s because the F/V/S regular pairing was Issaquah, Klahowya, and Quinault - three very different sized ferries.
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Post by zargoman on Mar 5, 2012 9:13:44 GMT -8
It's a good concept to help ensure regular running hours overall (except for the Issaquah). At Muk-Clinton, the #1 and #2 boats stay the same, they just alternate what boat runs the late night, when only one boat is in service. Bremerton used to swap the #1 and #2 boats for the last trip on Thursday and Friday. I think Kingston does the same as Mukilteo/Clinton, and Bainbridge boats switch regularly too.
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Post by zargoman on Mar 5, 2012 12:13:06 GMT -8
Fantastic trip. I did the 9:50 from Southworth (actually, it was more like 10:01). It is windy out and the ride felt like I was on a tow boat in a bathtub. I forgot how bouncy the Evergreen is. Quite enjoyable. I think I'll take the water taxi to Vashon, as it is the Victoria Clipper III on the run. Photos tonight.
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Post by zargoman on Mar 5, 2012 12:15:10 GMT -8
Her slowness is screwing up the other boats too. They are sorta back on schedule now, but that will change later today.
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Post by zargoman on Mar 6, 2012 7:42:01 GMT -8
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Post by Barnacle on Mar 6, 2012 15:25:58 GMT -8
It's still kind of odd to not see the Duty Free Store there in the corner, behind where the trash cans now sit.
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Post by zargoman on Mar 6, 2012 18:08:23 GMT -8
I'd agree with that. It may have been a long time since I've been on that boat, but I knew something was different. Curious...WSF says the boat is 310' long. The COI says 298' and the Certificate of Documentation says 296.7, as does the Tonnage Certification. How's that work?
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Post by zargoman on Mar 6, 2012 18:21:45 GMT -8
So, was there something funny with the toilets on the boat? The stall that is used for cleaning supplies has an old placard on it that says: TO FLUSH 1. Press Button 2. Release at once 3. Wait 20 seconds 4. If the bowl doesn't clear NOTIFY CREW MEMBER
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Post by rusty on Mar 6, 2012 18:25:19 GMT -8
That's from the old air flush toilets. Quite a problem they were.
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Post by mrdot on Mar 6, 2012 20:58:01 GMT -8
:)perhaps I should stay with vessels I know well, but I remember when this vessel was a new ship, and now it is my age, so she has given good service to the people of your portion of the Salish sea! If you still have the old style water closet's and machenery, then this vessel was very well built and maintained. I only wish we had managed some of the older vessels of our fleet as well! :)mrdot.
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Post by Barnacle on Mar 7, 2012 14:52:14 GMT -8
I'd agree with that. It may have been a long time since I've been on that boat, but I knew something was different. Curious...WSF says the boat is 310' long. The COI says 298' and the Certificate of Documentation says 296.7, as does the Tonnage Certification. How's that work? The boat is 310 feet long. The COI and the CoD list either the "registered length" or the "length between perpendiculars," both of which are a statistic but their purpose escapes me at the moment. I don't recall how registered length is determined, but the LBP is basically from the rudder post to the point where the bow intersects the waterline (or probably the other rudder post in the case of a double ender). So if the wheel base on your car is 9'8" and the overall length is 12'9"... don't try to parallel park in a 9'8" parking space. In terms of statistics, it's fairly meaningless for our purposes, kind of like "game-winning run batted in." Wikipedia explains it a little further here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Length_between_perpendiculars
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Post by zargoman on Mar 8, 2012 23:54:12 GMT -8
I'd agree with that. It may have been a long time since I've been on that boat, but I knew something was different. Curious...WSF says the boat is 310' long. The COI says 298' and the Certificate of Documentation says 296.7, as does the Tonnage Certification. How's that work? The boat is 310 feet long. The COI and the CoD list either the "registered length" or the "length between perpendiculars," both of which are a statistic but their purpose escapes me at the moment. I don't recall how registered length is determined, but the LBP is basically from the rudder post to the point where the bow intersects the waterline (or probably the other rudder post in the case of a double ender). So if the wheel base on your car is 9'8" and the overall length is 12'9"... don't try to parallel park in a 9'8" parking space. In terms of statistics, it's fairly meaningless for our purposes, kind of like "game-winning run batted in." Wikipedia explains it a little further here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Length_between_perpendicularsVery good, thank you... Another reason I absolutely love the Evergreen State is because of all the "aging marks" onboard. I always find something new. Today, I found a phantom stairwell. The stairs exist along the side of the wall, but inside the wall is an elevator...It's where the stairs were before the elevator was installed. This one particular stairway on the #2 end has a "tunnel" at the landing. None of the other three stairways from the car deck are like it. Very interesting how the design was refined in the years between the Evergreen State and her sister ships. Evergreen StateTillikum
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Post by Barnacle on Mar 9, 2012 4:37:38 GMT -8
Very interesting how the design was refined in the years between the Evergreen State and her sister ships. Evergreen StateTillikum Well, the Tillikum and Klahowya have those huge support members below the cabin because there's a cabin there to support. The cabins and shelter decks on the Klahowya and Tillikum are considerably longer than the Evergreen State's. Next time you're aboard, go under the picklefork "catwalk" in front of the windows and look up. You'll see how they added said catwalk in the early 1990s.
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Post by zargoman on Mar 9, 2012 11:58:30 GMT -8
Did they widen the pickleforks too? Looking at the weld marks along the pickleforks, it looks as if they were widened and the catwalk put in and widened the opening to the shelter deck.
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Post by Barnacle on Mar 9, 2012 13:53:59 GMT -8
Did they widen the pickleforks too? Looking at the weld marks along the pickleforks, it looks as if they were widened and the catwalk put in and widened the opening to the shelter deck. I don't know about the opening to the shelter deck, but the pickleforks were widened significantly. They were really narrow once the larger rescue boats were installed, to the point where a person had to turn sideways to get to the outer end.
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Post by SS San Mateo on Mar 9, 2012 14:14:42 GMT -8
Looking at earlier pictures of the Evergreen State, it does appear that the shelter deck openings were widened at some point (the space between the openings and the adjacent inner windows look smaller in the "now" pictures).
The stairway with the tunnel on the car deck end was where the wheelchair lift (installed in the 1988 rebuilt, but was removed in 1992 when the elevator was installed) was located. The door on that stairwell was at the bottom instead of halfway up the stairwell.
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Post by old_wsf_fan on Mar 9, 2012 17:53:08 GMT -8
In regards to my questioning of vessel repositioning, I observed this week that they seem to switch off frequently. On Monday and Tuesday, the E-State was the number 1 vessel. Wednesday and Thursday it was the Tilly as the number 1 vessel. So tonight the Issaquah will probably be number 1 as she usually is over the weekend.
I never paid that much attention to this before but it makes good sense. Do the crews stay with their assigned vessels or do they work the same time schedule regardless of vessel?
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Post by zargoman on Mar 9, 2012 19:08:17 GMT -8
That is some spectacular info. I'll upload some detail photos tonight. Standing on the Issaquah, I still don't understand why their pickleforks weren't connected via a public walkway. There is already a 3-4' crew access catwalk...the front of the shelter deck could have easily been pushed back a little. I just love standing outside at the center of the boat on the passenger deck.
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Post by rusty on Mar 9, 2012 19:16:21 GMT -8
Do the crews stay with their assigned vessels or do they work the same time schedule regardless of vessel? Deck crews work the route, and keep their scheduled shifts. Engine crews stay with the boat.
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Post by zargoman on Mar 10, 2012 9:58:07 GMT -8
Okay, here's what I have. Just looking at weld marks, it looks like the picklefork and doorway were indeed widened when the catwalk was added
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