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Post by lmtengs on Jul 6, 2009 19:31:11 GMT -8
Ahh, new stories of my favorite ship, warms the heart. Man, I would love to have been on that crew. Of course I was 2 at the time. but say I was 30 years older. Cheers, What makes her your fave?
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Post by sunshinecoastkid on Jul 24, 2009 8:19:59 GMT -8
sorry if this is the wrong thread, but has anyone else seen this picture of the queen of chilliwack as the Bastø II? I believe it's in the 80's
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Post by Quatchi on Jul 24, 2009 9:36:58 GMT -8
I've never seen that one, but its more like 1978-80. She received the enclosed bridge wing during the winter of 1980. She was also painted gray in 1981. By the begining of 1982 she looked like she did in the picture in this article. Another thing I found out in the past few weeks. When the Queen of Chilliwack ran in Norway she had bigger props on her RADs. She was able to make 16-17 knots. BCF replaced them for the newer ones she has now in favor of better fuel economy, less vibrations and less stress on the units. I got this from copies of her original registration documents and specifications I got from a guy in Sweden. Cheers,
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Post by gordon on Jul 24, 2009 9:38:29 GMT -8
I didn't realize she had sailed from Norway, she doesn't look like she would handle heavy seas that well.
Does her Transport Canada certification for the north still expire at the end of this year?
What does BC F plan to do if they get her northern certification extended?
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Post by Quatchi on Jul 24, 2009 9:45:48 GMT -8
Her certificate to operate in Canada expires 2011-06-30. If they can get that extended in full or maybe with proptected water restrictions, I dunno, but her service life is coming to an end in the next few years.
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Post by Ferryman on Jul 24, 2009 9:46:18 GMT -8
sorry if this is the wrong thread, but has anyone else seen this picture of the queen of chilliwack as the Bastø II? I believe it's in the 80's Nice photo, but believe it or not, that's not our Queen of Chilliwack. That's her twin sister, the Basto II. Queen of Chillwack was Basto I. The Basto II is now known as the MV Ostfold. www.faktaomfartyg.se/basto_II_1979.htmThis is our little ugly duckling ;D www.faktaomfartyg.se/basto_I_1978.htm
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Post by Quatchi on Jul 24, 2009 9:50:57 GMT -8
Good call Nikonian, Though I would have caught something like that. Just got swept up in the cool old picture.
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Post by Mill Bay on Jul 24, 2009 10:24:24 GMT -8
sorry if this is the wrong thread, but has anyone else seen this picture of the queen of chilliwack as the Bastø II? I believe it's in the 80's Nice photo, but believe it or not, that's not our Queen of Chilliwack. That's her twin sister, the Basto II. Queen of Chillwack was Basto I. The Basto II is now known as the MV Ostfold. www.faktaomfartyg.se/basto_II_1979.htmThis is our little ugly duckling ;D www.faktaomfartyg.se/basto_I_1978.htmAt least the Ostfold still looks like herself, and didn't get turned in a Franken-ferry like BCFerries seems to like to do... especially with second-hand ferries. Now that I think about it, the Queen of the North may have been the only second-hand ferry they didn't do really freaky things to. If you ask me... the Basto II got the better end of the deal in life.
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Post by Northern Exploration on Jul 24, 2009 11:05:26 GMT -8
Well my person opinion is, I wouldn't enter either into a beauty contest. ;D It is a specialty ship especially useful on the Discovery Coast route. So she doesn't get much "face" time with the public except for when she comes south for the winter. It will be very interesting if her replacement is as flexible and useful.
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Post by Curtis on Jul 24, 2009 11:27:40 GMT -8
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Post by Quatchi on Jul 24, 2009 14:20:25 GMT -8
I find it interesting how different the ships are now. I think the Ostfold looks much better than the Chilliwack. The ends look much better without the wings and bumpers.
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Post by hullnumbers on Jul 31, 2009 13:00:15 GMT -8
Does anyone know how long the queen of the north's trip to bc took. Also the date she left germany. since we know that the chilliwack made it in 35 days but germany is closer so the QOTN would have been faster.
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Post by c15cat on Sept 11, 2009 21:08:45 GMT -8
Well second day on route 7 and its not on time as usual running 30 plus minutes behind. It is probably P.Oing lots of people. I think this might be a eye opener for BCF that the Chilliwack is a ship that is only good for the Northern Route where it should stay. Once its done on route 7 it is going to replace the Queen of Burnaby. A night mare nobody wants to see it is a disaster having the Chilliwack on that route. Can't get into the dock in Little River can't use Westview dock on low tide the ramp is too steep. I think the Burnaby is supposed to be gone for a 1 1/2 months. I know there is Chilliwack lovers out there but that old ship should be turned into a artificial reef ;D A perfect place for it would be Bowen Island the rich people would spill their lattes when they drive on the car deck
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 11, 2009 21:14:13 GMT -8
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Post by c15cat on Sept 11, 2009 22:00:41 GMT -8
I think BCF is really missing the old Tsawwassen right now atleast she could go anywhere and do what most ships can do.
The Chilliwack has a perminant license now so it needs more crew like 5 deckhands. Its gotten a little more expensive now.
There should have been a better intermediate ship built something that can do open water and inside waters.
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Post by Neil on Sept 12, 2009 11:45:52 GMT -8
Listen, nobody's particularly fond of the Queen of Chilliwack (well, almost nobody), but despite your criticism of the boat, it's crossed open ocean six times a week for many years now on route 40, and it's also served many years on route 7. It certainly can get into Westview and Little River most of the time without trouble, and it's not the first vessel to have tide issues. With regard to your comment in another thread, I've never noticed clouds of 'rust dust' on the car deck.
The 'Chilliwack may be ugly as sin, slow, have inadequate passenger amenities, and various operational shortcomings, but it's been a workhorse in the fleet for 18 years. It serves the purpose, sort of, until they can find the resources to buy or build something better.
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Post by northwesterner on Sept 12, 2009 12:16:27 GMT -8
Question:
Would the 'Wack have enough capacity to do route 9 in the winter time? Would it be better to send the Nanaimo up to the Comox route when the Burnaby is in refit?
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Post by c15cat on Sept 12, 2009 12:37:10 GMT -8
The rust on the car deck is especially bad during the winter when the roads are sprayed with the liquid salt.
Many employees have bad back problems from the Chilliwack's bad vibration. The Chilliwack costs BCF thousands of dollars in overtime when its used on route 7. The ship burns more fuel than other ships when used on minor routes its used on.
Because the ship has the horrible bow doors there has been quite a few damage claims over the years. There is very little clearance for trucks with van trailers.
It should be a good comparison for BCF on how much more money the Chilliwack costs when used on route 7.
Put it this way the Chilli requires 5 deckhands now compared to 3 on the I Sky. So thats 4 extra people per day roughly 900 dollars in wages so this 8 day stint on route 7 is 7200 dollars extra in deck hand wages.
The deckhands are working on overtime because there isn't enough crew left in Powell River so you can say that 7200 dollars is on the lowside. That doesn't include extra catering staff.
Because the Chilliwack can't keep a schedule the crew gets overtime every day. Most costs adding up the I Sky rarely gets late to cause overtime.
Now add in the cost that pig burns more fuel especially when they are pushing it to keep a schedule. Good for the fuel supplier in Powell River it will be a extra tanker of fuel every couple days.
Can't wait to see the revolt happen when the Chilliwack is put on the Little River route. I know many of the trucking companies will put off deliveries from the Island for the month and half or go the long way around.
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Post by ferryfanyvr on Sept 12, 2009 13:19:15 GMT -8
Once its done on route 7 it is going to replace the Queen of Burnaby. A night mare nobody wants to see it is a disaster having the Chilliwack on that route. Can't get into the dock in Little River can't use Westview dock on low tide the ramp is too steep. I think the Burnaby is supposed to be gone for a 1 1/2 months. As far as I can tell, the Burnaby isn't going into refit until the spring. BCF Travel Centre shows the Burnaby on route 17 all through the upcoming months even though the replacement ships on all the other routes are shown. Maybe I'm missing something
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Post by Neil on Sept 12, 2009 14:19:42 GMT -8
Now add in the cost that pig burns more fuel especially when they are pushing it to keep a schedule. Good for the fuel supplier in Powell River it will be a extra tanker of fuel every couple days. Again, I think you're overstating things. I don't know about the Island Sky, but BC Ferries' fuel consumption figures showed that the ' Chilliwack used about 6% more fuel per round trip than the Queen of Tsawwassen did on route seven. It's probably no worse than the 'Capilano/'Cumberland, for its size.
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Post by Mike C on Sept 12, 2009 15:07:10 GMT -8
Question: Would the 'Wack have enough capacity to do route 9 in the winter time? Would it be better to send the Nanaimo up to the Comox route when the Burnaby is in refit? No, she is not. The Queen of Tsawwassen had a much larger capacity, and she had trouble keeping with travel demands, let alone the Chilliwack. (I have vivid memories of being left behind at Galiano Island by the Queen of Tsawwassen.) I'm also not sure of the 'Wack is capable of maintaining the 16-knot Route 9 schedule, so on-time performance would be severely lacking... However, during the summer months (for when she gets the boot from 40) she would be perfect for 9A, to free up the Bowen Queen for use elsewhere in the system.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 12, 2009 16:25:41 GMT -8
Can't wait to see the revolt happen when the Chilliwack is put on the Little River route. I know many of the trucking companies will put off deliveries from the Island for the month and half or go the long way around. Douglas-Cat: Everytime that I've taken the Comox-Westview route, there has been a NorthWest Tankers truck on the sailing. I've always been curious about what they are shipping and why they don't use a barge instead. Seeing as you seem to know a thing or two about trucking business on the Sunshine Coast, I'm asking you: What is NorthWest sending to Powell River every day, and do they have barge options, instead of using BC Ferries. Thanks for the info.
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Post by Quatchi on Sept 12, 2009 16:34:44 GMT -8
You gotta look at this in a slightly different way. If there was no Chilliwack, then there would be NO service while the Burnaby is out. And I am pretty sure the Burnaby burns more fuel than the Chilliwack.
Lastly WHY THE **** would a trucker take what I would calculate to be a 8-9 Hour detour with three ferries and over 250'sh extra km just to avoid a tight fit on the Chilliwack. I think someone is blowing this out of proportion a bit.
Of course best intentions here.
Cheers,
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Post by Curtis on Sept 12, 2009 16:49:12 GMT -8
If the Chilliwack was to work on Route 9, they'd need to Pull out a few extra vessels just to keep the number of cars and passengers down on her. We have a few "K" Barges floating around at Deas don't we? Why not pull out the Klitsa for inter-Gulf Island service. Or maybe the Tachek can make the run to Tsawwassen in stormy weather with her raised hull. It's too bad we got rid of the V's Tsawwassen and QPR they would have made great replacements for Route 9.
Oh well, we can always wait until 2014-15-ish for a New 185 Car Vessel to arrive from [insert place here].
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Post by northwesterner on Sept 12, 2009 17:19:55 GMT -8
Question: Would the 'Wack have enough capacity to do route 9 in the winter time? Would it be better to send the Nanaimo up to the Comox route when the Burnaby is in refit? No, she is not. The Queen of Tsawwassen had a much larger capacity, and she had trouble keeping with travel demands, let alone the Chilliwack. (I have vivid memories of being left behind at Galiano Island by the Queen of Tsawwassen.) I'm also not sure of the 'Wack is capable of maintaining the 16-knot Route 9 schedule, so on-time performance would be severely lacking... However, during the summer months (for when she gets the boot from 40) she would be perfect for 9A, to free up the Bowen Queen for use elsewhere in the system. Thanks. You're right, there are more issues with the 'Wack on route 9 than capacity. Agreed though that she'd be perfect for 9A.
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