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Post by jwjsamster on Dec 1, 2018 8:28:14 GMT -8
Seeing if anyone could shed some light on what the two rectangle sections were used for that were welded over on the bow area of the car deck on some of the 7 Sisters For example - They were present in the drawings from 1973 for the Queen of Nanaimo.
Thanks! -Ryan
This is a fantastic draft of a V class! Where did you get and do you have access to the full drawings?
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Post by Ferryman on Dec 1, 2018 22:36:13 GMT -8
Personally, I've never believed those openings ever served as a natural ventilation porthole, so to speak. There's never been photographic evidence to support that anyways. But what I do know is that those openings were secured by dozens of butterfly nuts allowing for easy removal. My best guess was that they likely allowed for additional access for haul-in or haul-out of equipment, but I even have a hard time imagining how that would work anyways. Regardless, those side hatches were an as-built configuration. A photo of the Queen of New Westminster (left) and Queen of Nanaimo (right) sitting on the blocks at VMD back in 1963. Credits to Gordon Hulford. www.flickr.com/photos/44480433@N05/4633214356/in/album-72157623996698599/Seeing if anyone could shed some light on what the two rectangle sections were used for that were welded over on the bow area of the car deck on some of the 7 Sisters For example - They were present in the drawings from 1973 for the Queen of Nanaimo.
Thanks! -Ryan
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Post by WettCoast on Sept 1, 2023 20:33:15 GMT -8
I am going to use this old thread to carry over a conversation that has been taking place on another thread. So the big cuts came early in 1982 as per this Province newspaper clipping ... The Vancouver did have hoistable ramps added, but not covering virtually all of the main car deck as was done on the Esquimalt & Saanich. The Victoria got no ramps.
I am fairly sure that these ramps saw not a whole lot of use. Deploying them must have caused considerable delays. Blue Bus Fan , the ramps on all the V-class ferries prior to lifting were identical to those that were still on the Nanaimo & Burnaby when they were retired. They were fixed 'mezzanine' decks reached by hoistable ramps at each end. Following lifting the V-class vessels (except Victoria & New West) were fitted with complete hoistable decks that could be raised right up to the ceiling (deck head) to allow all over height space, or lowered to permit maximizing the number of under height vehicles that could be loaded. The Spirits, when new, also received the same hoistable type decks, capable of carrying 60 AEQ's. Attachments:
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Post by WettCoast on Sept 2, 2023 15:15:03 GMT -8
More discussion on 'Seven Sisters' (V/B class) history can be found in this thread:
Perhaps a moderator could consolidate the two threads ?
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Sept 2, 2023 16:50:11 GMT -8
Was there any plans to lift the Queen of Nanaimo and Queen of Burnaby?
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Post by WettCoast on Sept 2, 2023 19:06:02 GMT -8
Was there any plans to lift the Queen of Nanaimo and Queen of Burnaby? They could have done that but why? Those two vessels were assigned to routes that had insufficient demand for having an upper car deck. Furthermore, they would have needed to build double deck berths at any terminal they might regularly call upon.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Sept 2, 2023 19:41:58 GMT -8
Was there any plans to lift the Queen of Nanaimo and Queen of Burnaby? They could have done that but why? Those two vessels were assigned to routes that had insufficient demand for having an upper car deck. Furthermore, they would have needed to build double deck berths at any terminal they might regularly call upon. To increase capacity on route 1, 2, 3 and 30 when needed. I think the Southern Gulf Island would be interesting because some of terminal don’t need to have to upper deck for vehicles loading such as Otter Bay and Village Bay could have lower deck for under height vehicles while Long Harbour and Sturdies Bay have upper deck for under height vehicle all over height would go on lower deck. Then why was Queen of New Westminster given an upper deck in 1991?
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Post by ferryfanyvr on Sept 2, 2023 20:14:31 GMT -8
They could have done that but why? Those two vessels were assigned to routes that had insufficient demand for having an upper car deck. Furthermore, they would have needed to build double deck berths at any terminal they might regularly call upon. To increase capacity on route 1, 2, 3 and 30 when needed. I think the Southern Gulf Island would be interesting because some of terminal don’t need to have to upper deck for vehicles loading such as Otter Bay and Village Bay could have lower deck for under height vehicles while Long Harbour and Sturdies Bay have upper deck for under height vehicle all over height would go on lower deck. Then why was Queen of New Westminster[\i] given an upper deck in 1991? The New West was lifted and repowered so she could become the second full time ship on route 30, based at Tsawwassen to complement the Alberni based at Departure Bay. Route 30 was a single ship route with 4 round trips per day the first summer it was in existence (1990?). It became a 2-ship 8-trip per day route on the second summer (1991?) when the Coquitlam was assigned to the Tsawwassen side since the New West's conversion project wasn't completed yet. Near the end of that summer (mid-August 'ish) the New West re-entered service based at Tsawwassen and route 30 briefly became a 3 ship route with the New West doing 3 round trips per day. Interestingly it was the Burnaby that was originally going to be the ship to be lifted and repowered but when the New Westminster suffered from some sort of major engine failure it was decided to convert her instead of the Burnaby since the New West was going to need major engine repairs anyway. I'm sure all this has been mentioned elsewhere on the forum, so I hope no one minds me repeating it here.
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Post by northwesterner on Sept 2, 2023 20:52:26 GMT -8
It has been noted elsewhere on here that by the late 80s neither the Burnaby nor the New Westminster were getting much use. You don't see many photos of them in the period between the end of the Dogwood livery and their later careers (post lifting for New West, post Seattle-Victoria service for Burnaby).
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Post by princessofvanfan on Sept 2, 2023 23:12:44 GMT -8
It has been noted elsewhere on here that by the late 80s neither the Burnaby nor the New Westminster were getting much use. You don't see many photos of them in the period between the end of the Dogwood livery and their later careers (post lifting for New West, post Seattle-Victoria service for Burnaby). The Burnaby and New West were laid up at Ogden Point in Victoria from 1985 - 1987 I believe.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Sept 2, 2023 23:49:02 GMT -8
It has been noted elsewhere on here that by the late 80s neither the Burnaby nor the New Westminster were getting much use. You don't see many photos of them in the period between the end of the Dogwood livery and their later careers (post lifting for New West, post Seattle-Victoria service for Burnaby). The Burnaby and New West were laid up at Ogden Point in Victoria from 1985 - 1987 I believe. Wow that long laid up for BC Ferries, was due budget not being there to operate them?
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Sept 2, 2023 23:52:40 GMT -8
To increase capacity on route 1, 2, 3 and 30 when needed. I think the Southern Gulf Island would be interesting because some of terminal don’t need to have to upper deck for vehicles loading such as Otter Bay and Village Bay could have lower deck for under height vehicles while Long Harbour and Sturdies Bay have upper deck for under height vehicle all over height would go on lower deck. Then why was Queen of New Westminster[\i] given an upper deck in 1991? The New West was lifted and repowered so she could become the second full time ship on route 30, based at Tsawwassen to complement the Alberni based at Departure Bay. Route 30 was a single ship route with 4 round trips per day the first summer it was in existence (1990?). It became a 2-ship 8-trip per day route on the second summer (1991?) when the Coquitlam was assigned to the Tsawwassen side since the New West's conversion project wasn't completed yet. Near the end of that summer (mid-August 'ish) the New West re-entered service based at Tsawwassen and route 30 briefly became a 3 ship route with the New West doing 3 round trips per day. Interestingly it was the Burnaby that was originally going to be the ship to be lifted and repowered but when the New Westminster suffered from some sort of major engine failure it was decided to convert her instead of the Burnaby since the New West was going to need major engine repairs anyway. I'm sure all this has been mentioned elsewhere on the forum, so I hope no one minds me repeating it here. BC Ferries should have went ahead a did both Queen of Burnaby, and Queen of New Westminster because both route 2 and 30 could have three boats during the peak season. Why didn’t the Victoria Class get new engines when they where lifted?
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Post by QoNW Fan on Sept 3, 2023 1:10:46 GMT -8
To increase capacity on route 1, 2, 3 and 30 when needed. I think the Southern Gulf Island would be interesting because some of terminal don’t need to have to upper deck for vehicles loading such as Otter Bay and Village Bay could have lower deck for under height vehicles while Long Harbour and Sturdies Bay have upper deck for under height vehicle all over height would go on lower deck. Then why was Queen of New Westminster[\i] given an upper deck in 1991? Interestingly it was the Burnaby that was originally going to be the ship to be lifted and repowered but when the New Westminster suffered from some sort of major engine failure it was decided to convert her instead of the Burnaby since the New West was going to need major engine repairs anyway. That's cool! The roles may have been reversed then, with the Burnaby still in service to this day, and the New Westminster sitting retired at Deas Dock. Or who knows, maybe that would have completely altered the retirement timelines for the V-class for one reason or another.
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Post by ferryfanyvr on Sept 3, 2023 9:09:58 GMT -8
The Burnaby and New West were laid up at Ogden Point in Victoria from 1985 - 1987 I believe. Yes I remember that, except they were brought back into service for the summer of '86 to help with increased traffic during Expo...they were both based as Langdale for route 3 that summer
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Post by Mike on Sept 3, 2023 9:11:56 GMT -8
Why didn’t the Victoria Class get new engines when they where lifted? They did. They got similar MaK engines to what the C class vessels have.
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Post by Starsteward on Sept 3, 2023 10:37:38 GMT -8
I couldn't find the photo you are referring to but from your description of the 'deck' not having any carpet, I can offer an explanation. On Monday June 14th our crew transferred from the Queen of Sidney to the ex-Chinook, Sechelt Queen on route 2. The Sechelt Queen had been stripped of all passenger cabins and was a work in progress. All the interior decks were cement and were mopped then polished with big old heavy floor polishers. I know this because I almost broke my left foot as the polisher went kazoom from right to left, zapping my left foot against a bulkhead that was 4 feet to my left. Limping through the rest of my shift, I thought that this was no way to begin my first watch with the B.C. Ferry and Toll Authority. The great Chief Steward in the heavens must have heard my cries of pain as our watch was informed that the next day we would be taking over the new Queen of Nanaimo, and there I would stay for the remainder of the "Summer of '64". For real history buffs, Canada would make a major change during this time, what was it?
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 3, 2023 11:38:59 GMT -8
Queen of Nanaimo, and there I would stay for the remainder of the "Summer of '64". For real history buffs, Canada would make a major change during this time, what was it? Canada was in the process of choosing and adopting a new national flag, during 1964. I think this got formally adopted as the new flag on February 15, 1965.
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Post by Starsteward on Sept 3, 2023 11:52:35 GMT -8
Queen of Nanaimo, and there I would stay for the remainder of the "Summer of '64". For real history buffs, Canada would make a major change during this time, what was it? Canada was in the process of choosing and adopting a new national flag, during 1964. I think this got formally adopted as the new flag on February 15, 1965. You win the prize, just have to find an appropriate "something"
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Post by The Black cat on Sept 3, 2023 11:54:28 GMT -8
Canada was in the process of choosing and adopting a new national flag, during 1964. I think this got formally adopted as the new flag on February 15, 1965. You win the prize, just have to find an appropriate "something" Here is some information on the creation of our flag... www.canada.ca/en/canadian-heritage/services/flag-canada-history.html
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Post by Kahloke on Sept 3, 2023 12:23:26 GMT -8
More discussion on 'Seven Sisters' (V/B class) history can be found in this thread:
Perhaps a moderator could consolidate the two threads ? Per WettCoast's suggestion, I have merged both of the 7 Sisters threads into one. This is the thread to be used going forward when discussing or sharing information on this vessel class as a whole.
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Post by northwesterner on Sept 3, 2023 15:35:05 GMT -8
Yes I remember that, except they were brought back into service for the summer of '86 to help with increased traffic during Expo...they were both based as Langdale for route 3 that summer You have a few photos posted years ago throughout the forum of the New Westminster operating as a fill in vessel on route 3 in the late 80s, but there's even less evidence that Burnaby did much work in that time period.
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Post by Blue Bus Fan on Sept 3, 2023 16:55:04 GMT -8
Yes I remember that, except they were brought back into service for the summer of '86 to help with increased traffic during Expo...they were both based as Langdale for route 3 that summer You have a few photos posted years ago throughout the forum of the New Westminster operating as a fill in vessel on route 3 in the late 80s, but there's even less evidence that Burnaby did much work in that time period. Was that one of many reasons why the Queen of Burnaby was leased out Victoria Line, which was also owned by provincial government. Why didn’t BC Ferries just operate Queen of Burnaby on the Seattle to Victoria route?
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Post by WettCoast on Sept 3, 2023 17:20:37 GMT -8
Canada was in the process of choosing and adopting a new national flag, during 1964. I think this got formally adopted as the new flag on February 15, 1965. You win the prize, just have to find an appropriate "something" The prize for our musical former moderator ...
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Post by Starsteward on Sept 3, 2023 18:15:30 GMT -8
You win the prize, just have to find an appropriate "something" The prize for our musical former moderator ...
Bravo! A very classy prize! Thanks Jim
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Post by The Black cat on Sept 4, 2023 9:30:27 GMT -8
You have a few photos posted years ago throughout the forum of the New Westminster operating as a fill in vessel on route 3 in the late 80s, but there's even less evidence that Burnaby did much work in that time period. Was that one of many reasons why the Queen of Burnaby
was leased out Victoria Line, which was also owned by provincial government. Why didn’t BC Ferries just operate Queen of Burnaby on the Seattle to Victoria route? I remember August 1990 sailing on the B class Queen of New West between Departure Bay and Horseshoe Bay, this was just before she was lifted. While heading home to Richmond. Later on in the 1990's I sailed on both the Nanaimo and Burnaby on rt 2. I specifically remember sailing on the Burnaby because it was my one and only sailing on her that I can remember. I remember the Nanaimo because she had all of her SGI information on board plus I always make a point of looking at name of the ship I am on.
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