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Post by D'Elete BC in NJ on Oct 22, 2009 5:30:38 GMT -8
That's very odd sounding so I will ask: Are you sure you don't mean 80? Here's where a little "Mrs. Dash" would help to spice up the interpretation. We've got 2 choices, depending on where we place the invisible dash: 1) they have 8-car ferries. 2) they have 8 car-ferries. So, here we see that someone's lack of a punctuation mark (used for cosmetic-clarification) is causing confusion for a teenager. How wonderfully ironic.  Here is a link to 6-car-ferries of the 8-car-ferries referred too. |
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Post by Mill Bay on Oct 22, 2009 8:59:57 GMT -8
Here is a link to 6-car-ferries of the 8-car-ferries referred too. Now, you know, all this nonsense could have been avoided, if he had originally just said they have a fleet of eight ferries that carry cars on the lake  . They seem to be much smaller than I thought they would be in real life, though. But they cut quite the bow wave. Wouldn't a design like that be a nice, classy replacement for the two largest of K-barges, Quinsnap and Quinsnitza? |
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Post by D'Elete BC in NJ on Oct 22, 2009 9:50:45 GMT -8
Here is a link to 6-car-ferries of the 8-car-ferries referred too. Now, you know, all this nonsense could have been avoided, if he had originally just said they have a fleet of eight ferries that carry cars on the lake . They seem to be much smaller than I thought they would be in real life, though. But they cut quite the bow wave. Wouldn't a design like that be a nice, classy replacement for the two largest of K-barges, Quinsnap and Quinsnitza? Even this one?  ;D mmm, between the discussion of cinnamon buns and that ferry looking like a McD's ad, I'm getting hungry... |
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Post by Mill Bay on Oct 22, 2009 10:06:54 GMT -8
Now, you know, all this nonsense could have been avoided, if he had originally just said they have a fleet of eight ferries that carry cars on the lake . They seem to be much smaller than I thought they would be in real life, though. But they cut quite the bow wave. Wouldn't a design like that be a nice, classy replacement for the two largest of K-barges, Quinsnap and Quinsnitza? Even this one? ;D mmm, between the discussion of cinnamon buns and that ferry looking like a McD's ad, I'm getting hungry... I find that one quite appealing actually, although I thought it maybe had more of an Olympics motif going on. Do you think we could borrow it, and get it over here in time for the Old Limping Games? Maybe FSG designed it. It seems vaguely similar to the one featured in the promotional video about ferries of the future but, if it appeals to me, you know you have a winner in terms of visual appeal, at least. |
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Post by InWashington on Oct 22, 2009 13:40:11 GMT -8
Where are the drawings?
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Post by Low Light Mike on Oct 22, 2009 13:53:27 GMT -8
It appears that the member deleted his forum account and also deleted the links to his drawings. Your guess for the reason is as good as my guess....  I wish him well, whatever he's doing. |
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Post by lmtengs on Oct 22, 2009 14:49:04 GMT -8
WOAH! What happened to Whidbey Island Guy? All of his drawings too! Did he just make a spur-of-the-moment decision that he didn't like this place any more? I sure didn't see that coming... he was a frequent poster too...hmm.
You will be missed, W.I.G!
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Post by Kahloke on Oct 22, 2009 15:24:20 GMT -8
Ditto. I loved his drawings. He was a good contributer to this forum. I hope he comes back.
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Post by Retrovision on Oct 22, 2009 15:34:50 GMT -8
I agree, we'd be lost without whidbeyislandguy's contributions here.
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Post by Northern Exploration on Oct 22, 2009 15:58:29 GMT -8
Hopefully someone from one of the ferry companies didn't go legal on him. He does an amazing job with the drawings so I hope he returns.
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Post by lmtengs on Oct 22, 2009 16:28:05 GMT -8
Hopefully someone from one of the ferry companies didn't go legal on him. He does an amazing job with the drawings so I hope he returns. I was sorta thinking maybe that was why he left. It seemed that he liked it around here, what with all his submissions and having one of the most posted threads on the forum pretty much dedicated to his art... Does anyone have any external means of communication with him? Maybe there was a glitch on proboards, and it booted him out for no real reason... |
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Post by WhidbeyIslandGuy on Oct 22, 2009 17:07:24 GMT -8
Hopefully someone from one of the ferry companies didn't go legal on him. He does an amazing job with the drawings so I hope he returns. I was sorta thinking maybe that was why he left. It seemed that he liked it around here, what with all his submissions and having one of the most posted threads on the forum pretty much dedicated to his art... Does anyone have any external means of communication with him? Maybe there was a glitch on proboards, and it booted him out for no real reason... You would be correct.. I am updating with more disclaimers and hope to have some back up soon. However I will not be posting any BC Boats...  I am sorry about that but, Someone has complained yet again to the powers that be about logos, and something called Brand Identity. So I hope to be able to return soon. Thank you all for your support in this. Johan WhidbeyIslandGuy |
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Post by lmtengs on Oct 22, 2009 17:17:35 GMT -8
Someone has complained yet again to the powers that be about logos, and something called Brand Identity. Thanks for keeping in touch! Good luck with your efforts. Who would be such a lowlife to complain? How would it affect them in a negative way? |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Oct 22, 2009 17:22:00 GMT -8
You would be correct.. I am updating with more disclaimers and hope to have some back up soon. However I will not be posting any BC Boats... I am sorry about that but, Someone has complained yet again to the powers that be about logos, and something called Brand Identity. So I hope to be able to return soon. Thank you all for your support in this. Johan WhidbeyIslandGuy I remember that when this happened last time, you were pretty reluctant to share details explaining who complained and what they may have threatened you with. This time around, you took the unusual step of canceling out a message-board account. That seems unusual to me that you would need to cancel your account and start over from scratch. It's up to you to decide whether to fill-in-the-blanks for us interested people, but I for one am befuddled by your reaction and lack of a fight. But you have your reasons, so I respect that, even if I don't understand it. But it leaves me wondering if there are people from BC Ferries who register on this forum as members and then send threatening Personal-messages to members who have posted images of BC Ferries. When will someone be contacting me because I post lots of pictures of ferries? |
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Post by WhidbeyIslandGuy on Oct 22, 2009 17:56:56 GMT -8
You would be correct.. I am updating with more disclaimers and hope to have some back up soon. However I will not be posting any BC Boats... I am sorry about that but, Someone has complained yet again to the powers that be about logos, and something called Brand Identity. So I hope to be able to return soon. Thank you all for your support in this. Johan WhidbeyIslandGuy I remember that when this happened last time, you were pretty reluctant to share details explaining who complained and what they may have threatened you with. This time around, you took the unusual step of canceling out a message-board account. That seems unusual to me that you would need to cancel your account and start over from scratch. It's up to you to decide whether to fill-in-the-blanks for us interested people, but I for one am befuddled by your reaction and lack of a fight. But you have your reasons, so I respect that, even if I don't understand it. But it leaves me wondering if there are people from BC Ferries who register on this forum as members and then send threatening Personal-messages to members who have posted images of BC Ferries. When will someone be contacting me because I post lots of pictures of ferries? The Deleting of my Account was an over-reaction on my part. I would not imagine anyone taking pictures would have a problem as you are not using or recreating the logo in question. "The integrity of the logo for BC Ferries is very important to us. Use of logo has proven to be distorted, and reproduced with colours that are not part of the specified terms in graphical illustrations. Please discontinue use of the logo until you have read all the rules BEFORE using the logo. The logo maybe used, provided the logo is used consistently and according to the illustration rules.” The problem is I don't draw these boats in 800 pixels and often as a result of shrinking them down things aren't as clear as they could be... I have also used the BC Ferries Logo out of the set color boundaries for artistic reasons. So Yes I am at fault. I how ever would once again say that taking pictures is a very different matter and I don't think anyone care about that, unless you are messing dealing with security stuff then yeah but my point it photos and drawings aren't the same in this case. |
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Post by Northern Exploration on Oct 22, 2009 17:58:28 GMT -8
You would be correct.. I am updating with more disclaimers and hope to have some back up soon. However I will not be posting any BC Boats... I am sorry about that but, Someone has complained yet again to the powers that be about logos, and something called Brand Identity. So I hope to be able to return soon. Thank you all for your support in this. Johan WhidbeyIslandGuy I remember that when this happened last time, you were pretty reluctant to share details explaining who complained and what they may have threatened you with. This time around, you took the unusual step of canceling out a message-board account. That seems unusual to me that you would need to cancel your account and start over from scratch. It's up to you to decide whether to fill-in-the-blanks for us interested people, but I for one am befuddled by your reaction and lack of a fight. But you have your reasons, so I respect that, even if I don't understand it. But it leaves me wondering if there are people from BC Ferries who register on this forum as members and then send threatening Personal-messages to members who have posted images of BC Ferries. When will someone be contacting me because I post lots of pictures of ferries? Odd that someone would complain about brand standards on drawing that are obviously someone's art. What if someone painted a scene involving a ferry. Would someone complain if the branding wasn't exact or that the mix of the blue wasn't correct. I have developed brand standards and prepared brand manuals so I think I know a bit about it. This strikes me as a bit much. Pretty odd that during this exact period a discussion has ensued as well about a post card showing a ferry that is not at all accurate. While I didn't think it was a big deal before, I am now looking at it in a different light. Now that my ire is raised, I am now of the opinion that if BC Ferries wants to be nit pickers, then they better get their own act in order and sell Post Cards that are accurate then and not fictional. If I had more time I would get their brand document out and take a second look at the NorAd Post Card. Just sayin!  |
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Post by WettCoast on Oct 22, 2009 19:34:29 GMT -8
All I can say is that the 'good' folks at the QoFS really need to get a life.
Message to David Hahn & Co: 'Your 'slugs' are ugly!'
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Post by lmtengs on Oct 22, 2009 20:06:25 GMT -8
All I can say is that the 'good' folks at the QoFS really need to get a life. Message to David Hahn & Co: 'Your 'slugs' are ugly!' QoFS?? I'm thinking Queen of Ferry services.. shouldn't it be BCFS? whatever. I agree entirely with the above quoted statement. This whole ordeal reminds me of that cafe in Vancouver a few years ago, what was it, Olympia Pizza? The people who run the Olympics sued them for using the five ring Olympic logo as their logo on their sign. So ridonkulous. Let the little store be. What harm will they cause you, Olympics? Same deal here. Let the artist be. What harm will a non-commercial reproduction cause you, BCF (I would've put the 'S' on the end of that, but according to your brand Identity page I'm not allowed, and I can't afford to get SUED!  ) |
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Post by SS San Mateo on Oct 22, 2009 20:14:13 GMT -8
QoFS?? I'm thinking Queen of Ferry services.. shouldn't it be BCFS? I believe QoFS is an acronym for "Queen of Fort Street", which would be a reference to the location of BC Ferries headquarters. |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Oct 22, 2009 21:07:19 GMT -8
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Post by Neil on Oct 22, 2009 22:04:15 GMT -8
"The integrity of the logo for BC Ferries is very important to us. Use of logo has proven to be distorted, and reproduced with colours that are not part of the specified terms in graphical illustrations. Please discontinue use of the logo until you have read all the rules BEFORE using the logo. The logo maybe used, provided the logo is used consistently and according to the illustration rules.” I take it that the quote is from an e-mail received from BC Ferries? To which I might reply, in Emerson's words; Foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds....as in, consistent application of rules that serve no purpose. I haven't seen one of these computer drawings that in any way compromise 'the integrity of the logo' of BC Ferries, or in any way put any of their vessels in a less than flattering light. I'm assuming you weren't using these illustrations for commercial purposes? What nonsense. Someone has too much time on their hands. |
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Post by whidbeyislandguy on Oct 22, 2009 22:25:40 GMT -8
Well I am on here but as an Oiler again Oh well.
To answer your question. No I have never used or Sold any of my drawings for profit.
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on Oct 22, 2009 22:28:56 GMT -8
I find it strange that they go after Johan's drawings, yet one of BC Ferries vessels has been sailing around for more than five years with the integrity of the logo being compromised, and nothing has been done... Queen of Cowichan... |
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Post by Mill Bay on Oct 22, 2009 23:11:05 GMT -8
I just noticed this debate, and I, for one, really hope whoever is the complainer is reading this and feels taken down a notch or two. Contrary to what they may think, they are not an innocent little whistle blower. This amounts to trampling on someone else's rights. Someone is merely using images of the ferries as the focus of artistic work... it is an entirely creative product and the artist is not affiliated with BCFerries at all in any way, and so cannot be bound by their corporate rules.
Under creative license, you can pick whatever you want to be the subject of your creative work and be allowed to express or visualize it as you see fit (within the limits of reasonable intelligence). BCFerries has no jurisdiction over someone else's artistic creations, not even if their logo happens to appear in it, because it is the free right of any individual to express their own thoughts and interests as they are inspired to do and BCFerries does not have the authority to infringe on anyone's rights, no matter how private an operator they are.
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Post by BreannaF on Oct 23, 2009 1:19:29 GMT -8
I just wanted to step up and mention how much I have enjoyed your artwork as you have done them. You really do a nice job on them, and my wife and I have both enjoyed them. (She's an artist, not necessarily a ferry fan, and likes them for aesthetic reasons.) Sorry to hear about the issues you have. To answer your question. No I have never used or Sold any of my drawings for profit. Even more to the point, their appearance has really been limited to a couple of websites where ferry hobbyists hang out. It is not as if the general public is somehow being corrupted here. I understand the need for copyright and trademark protection, but really. Someone at BCF really needs to get a life. And my random thought for the night: Tattoos of V-Class ferries, anyone? |
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;D mmm, between the discussion of cinnamon buns and that ferry looking like a McD's ad, I'm getting hungry...
I am sorry about that but, Someone has complained yet again to the powers that be about logos, and something called Brand Identity.
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