Ferry Boat Drawings and Models

[Freeland]

I really like the contrast of colors on that drawing of the Chippewa. The angle of
the car deck is great. ...I like it , I like it.
There is an old Sea Chest magazine article on the Chippewa's engine room that is sort of
humorous.........................Emory at Freeland

[tom98250]

Dec 30, 2009 23:07:37 GMT -8 @whidbeyislandguy said:

With all the talk about the Coho I thought it was only fitting to post a redone drawing of her. I also read on the boards here somewhere that at one point something about the Queen of Sidney being used by Black Ball, so I thought I'd have a little fun.







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I'd love to see the Queen of Sidney come out of retirement; but I have to say the Coho's still the better looking vessel!

[whidbeyislandguy]

FerryNutSeattle




Whidbeyislandguy


I personally like see the different kind of styles and would to see ferrynutseattle do more and post them. It is kind of nice seeing the drawings and I would encourage anyone else to do some also!

[lmtengs]

I have to say that in my opinion, I like the side-view drawings more. The angle-views sort of look a bit confusing to my eyes for some reason. It's nice to see a change, but if I were the sole voter out here, I'd want to stick with side-views for the long run.

[whidbeyislandguy]

Feb 9, 2010 0:29:58 GMT -8 @lmtengs said:

I have to say that in my opinion, I like the side-view drawings more. The angle-views sort of look a bit confusing to my eyes for some reason. It's nice to see a change, but if I were the sole voter out here, I'd want to stick with side-views for the long run.

Well what I was meaning more of was If other noticed the different kind of styles between ferrynutseattle and myself. I very much like his as they are more technical, an I would like to see ferrynutseattle do more and post them. As well as any one else It's nice to see other do some also.. ;D

[whidbeyislandguy]

So with all the talk about these to boats I thought I'd put them along side.



I also thought being as how so many seem to dislike the Kwa-di Tabil Class before it even hits the water I would give another that I know everyone would hate!!!




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[FNS]

Wouldn't it be nice to see a Staten Island ferry in white paint?

GREEN AND WHITE RULES!

[tom98250]

Feb 10, 2010 1:15:41 GMT -8 FNS said:

Wouldn't it be nice to see a Staten Island ferry in white paint?

GREEN AND WHITE RULES!

I don't think so--it would be an abomination against nature! Those boats are specifically designed to sport garish orange... ;D

[whidbeyislandguy]

So just keeping with the crazy looks/ideas, here is another...

Before...




After...






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[FNS]

Feb 10, 2010 16:19:45 GMT -8 @whidbeyislandguy said:

So just keeping with the crazy looks/ideas, here is another...






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Now, can that one carry 6000 passengers like the real BARBERI and NEWHOUSE?

I've been aboard the BARBERI. Her egg beater propulsion makes her wobble a little bit on her sailings.

[Kam]

oh my....

[whidbeyislandguy]

Feb 10, 2010 16:24:14 GMT -8 FNS said:

Feb 10, 2010 16:19:45 GMT -8 @whidbeyislandguy said:

So just keeping with the crazy looks/ideas, here is another...






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Now, can that one carry 6000 passengers like the real BARBERI and NEWHOUSE?

I've been aboard the BARBERI. Her egg beater propulsion makes her wobble a little bit on her sailings.

No changed to carrie cars...

[whidbeyislandguy]

Well if the scuttlebutt is true. All new Washington State ferries are taking after our neighbours to the north. New Coast Guard regs saying No more open windows on the cardeck...

Meaning the 144's and the real reason for the No windows on the Kwa-di Tabil Class (64-Car) boats..



I tend to really trust my source for this info.



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[Barnacle]

If that's the case I wonder how long it will be before they make us plate up the existing windows and start ordering everyone above decks.

[whidbeyislandguy]

Barnacle, I was thinking the same thing.


I would guess something like this.










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[Jody]

Interesting drawings, Whidbey. But one question: Why would they allow the upper car deck windows to remain if the decision or mandate was made to require the lower car deck windows to be plated over?

I for one think that this isn't the best idea in the world for at least two reasons.

1. On virtually every trip I've been on, at least half a dozen people have their cars running before the ferry is even completely docked. I think the open sides probably help clear the air on the car deck.
2. The car deck windows are often a great place to watch the sights if you don't want to get too far from your car or deal with a zillion people upstairs. More than once I've been on a stuffed-full ferry and found the ride to be a lot more pleasant down on the car deck than up on the passenger decks.

Either way, I think the WSF program is going to lose a good deal in terms of quality of service if this becomes reality.

That's just my own $0.02, cash value slightly lower.

Jody

[whidbeyislandguy]

Feb 28, 2010 13:23:00 GMT -8 Jody said:

Interesting drawings, Whidbey. But one question: Why would they allow the upper car deck windows to remain if the decision or mandate was made to require the lower car deck windows to be plated over?

I for one think that this isn't the best idea in the world for at least two reasons.

1. On virtually every trip I've been on, at least half a dozen people have their cars running before the ferry is even completely docked. I think the open sides probably help clear the air on the car deck.
2. The car deck windows are often a great place to watch the sights if you don't want to get too far from your car or deal with a zillion people upstairs. More than once I've been on a stuffed-full ferry and found the ride to be a lot more pleasant down on the car deck than up on the passenger decks.

Either way, I think the WSF program is going to lose a good deal in terms of quality of service if this becomes reality.

That's just my own $0.02, cash value slightly lower.

Jody

I would agree with you, however from my understanding the new boats will be like BC boats no windows on the lower car decks.

The real question, is does this mean they will be closing up the sides of the current fleet!? I can't say. but, this is my guess of what they will look like if they do close up the lower car decks.

[Barnacle]

Jody, factor in that I think the BC Ferries actually do not allow people to stay in their cars during the crossing because of the closed-up car deck.

I don't know if the older boats will be retrofitted with window plugs, simply by absence of ventilation systems. What would be more likely to occur is a partial plugging of windows to allow for a cabin-level evacuation slide that would not be directly subject to heat from the fire, so plugs on a vertical basis rather than a horizontal one.

[Kahloke]

Feb 28, 2010 13:56:44 GMT -8 Barnacle said:

Jody, factor in that I think the BC Ferries actually do not allow people to stay in their cars during the crossing because of the closed-up car deck.

If that is policy aboard BC Ferries, they don't seem to enforce it on the lower mainland runs (ie. Routes 1, 30, 2, 3, etc.). At least, I've never seen them enforce it. I was on both Routes 1 and 2 recently, and saw plenty of people in their cars while I was wandering around the car decks taking pictures. I'll bet they enforce it on the Inside Passage route, though.

[Barnacle]

Well, I could be wrong, too. I received that pseudo-factoid from a passenger on the Sidney run once, when I was asked if people were allowed to return to/stay in their cars.

[EGfleet]

Feb 28, 2010 20:39:00 GMT -8 Kahloke said:

Feb 28, 2010 13:56:44 GMT -8 Barnacle said:

Jody, factor in that I think the BC Ferries actually do not allow people to stay in their cars during the crossing because of the closed-up car deck.

If that is policy aboard BC Ferries, they don't seem to enforce it on the lower mainland runs (ie. Routes 1, 30, 2, 3, etc.). At least, I've never seen them enforce it. I was on both Routes 1 and 2 recently, and saw plenty of people in their cars while I was wandering around the car decks taking pictures. I'll bet they enforce it on the Inside Passage route, though.

I was asked on the Sidney run constantly by passengers if it was okay to go on the car deck...now, I know you absolutely cannot on the Coho. It says somewhere on their website even.

I was told by a couple of people that you can't stay in your car deck on B.C. Ferries because that was where all the fatalities occurred on the Queen of Victoria when she was hit by the freighter. I have no idea if that is true or not, but I heard it from more than one person...Even those that didn't know about that accident always told me you couldn't stay in your car on B.C. Ferries.

[Low Light Mike]

Mar 1, 2010 6:03:44 GMT -8 EGfleet said:

Feb 28, 2010 20:39:00 GMT -8 Kahloke said:

If that is policy aboard BC Ferries, they don't seem to enforce it on the lower mainland runs (ie. Routes 1, 30, 2, 3, etc.). At least, I've never seen them enforce it. I was on both Routes 1 and 2 recently, and saw plenty of people in their cars while I was wandering around the car decks taking pictures. I'll bet they enforce it on the Inside Passage route, though.

I was asked on the Sidney run constantly by passengers if it was okay to go on the car deck...now, I know you absolutely cannot on the Coho. It says somewhere on their website even.

I was told by a couple of people that you can't stay in your car deck on B.C. Ferries because that was where all the fatalities occurred on the Queen of Victoria when she was hit by the freighter. I have no idea if that is true or not, but I heard it from more than one person...Even those that didn't know about that accident always told me you couldn't stay in your car on B.C. Ferries.

It's common and accepted practice to stay in your car on almost all of the BC Ferries routes. There is a standard announcement inviting you to go up-decks to enjoy the amenities, but many people stay in their cars.

The route exceptions:
- Inside Passage and Queen Charlotte Islands: strictly enforced no-access, except at regular supervised intervals (every 2 hours or so, to check on dogs and get stuff).
- Queen of Chilliwack on the summer run (same as above)
- Queen of Chilliwack on the Comox-Powell River run as a replacement. They enforce the no-access on this route for this particular ship.

For the other routes, lots of people stay in their cars:
- to sleep
- to watch movies on car players.
- to be a hermit
- to rock and roll, in the original use of the phrase (okay, so that's only some people, on late night sailings).

[Nick]

Technically, with BC Ferries there is a requirement for passengers to remain on the passenger decks while the vessel is under way, however this is almost never enforced. As Flugel mentioned though, it is strictly enforced on the northern runs. As BCF phases in MARSEC, the increased security requirements mandated by Transport Canada, I would not be surprised to see the requirement more strictly enforced, at least for the main car deck.

The Coho has the requirement and enforces it because it is an international run, and as such is governed by SOLAS regulations.

[EGfleet]

Mar 1, 2010 22:01:30 GMT -8 Nick said:

Technically, with BC Ferries there is a requirement for passengers to remain on the passenger decks while the vessel is under way, however this is almost never enforced. As Flugel mentioned though, it is strictly enforced on the northern runs. As BCF phases in MARSEC, the increased security requirements mandated by Transport Canada, I would not be surprised to see the requirement more strictly enforced, at least for the main car deck.

The Coho has the requirement and enforces it because it is an international run, and as such is governed by SOLAS regulations.

That must be route specific, though. The Chelan is governed by SOLAS regulations as well and is on an international run, but there is no rule that says you have to be in the passenger cabin. There are a lot of folks who stay down in their cars in the summer months in particular as it is much cooler on the car deck then in the cabin.

[Barnacle]

To say nothing of less crowded.