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Post by Dane on Aug 26, 2006 21:14:04 GMT -8
Probably makes loading a bit quicker. From what I've heard, which is nothing even near official, built-in styled decks won't be used. They reduced flexiblility considerably...
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Post by jjr on Sept 3, 2006 18:08:52 GMT -8
Hey you can now see what's going on with the first C-Class on the Flensburger website - www.fsg-ship.de/ and go to the RoRo Grows section. (edit was just my posting a reply by mistake to your original post....ooops!)
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Post by Ferryman on Sept 3, 2006 18:13:29 GMT -8
Interesting.....Thanks for pointing that out, JJR.
Looks like there will be updated info on the progress of the building of the ships. Which suprises me, as you think BCF would censor that info, until the ship was ready for service.
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Post by NMcKay on Sept 3, 2006 19:13:09 GMT -8
we actually posted on the forums a while back about the keel laying
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 3, 2006 19:57:29 GMT -8
Moderator note:
- 4 posts from this thread deleted by myself, as they were not relevant to the ongoing topic, and consisted of "a pointless argument from a teenager to an adult".
In the interests of clarity, the Flensberger website referenced by JJR contains the following:
- the "Ro/Ro's Grow" page will indicate what is being built in Yards 730 to 733. These are 4 ships, and the link to the BC Ferries ships' progress is shown on the right.
- The picture at the bottom of the "See our RoRo's grow" page (ie. the picture labelled "Actual Berth View") is obviously not one of our new BC Ferry ships, and neither the website nor JJR have claimed that this picture is the actual Super-C construction.
- click on the "Yard 733" link to see info on our BC Super-C's.
(sorry for this interruption, please carry on).
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Post by Neil on Sept 3, 2006 20:02:34 GMT -8
Huh... where'd it go? Guess the controversy got solved.
Interesting to note that the superC's are 92' wide, with eight vehicle lanes; just points out how difficult it is to get eight lanes on to the 'Tsawwassen, which is only 74' wide. I don't think they even try any more.
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Post by Doug on Sept 3, 2006 20:04:47 GMT -8
Here is the side view:
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Post by Doug on Sept 3, 2006 20:10:42 GMT -8
Some other information if you're having trouble finding stuff on that site....
PRIME MOVER ENGINES 4 x 4,000 kW medium speed diesel engines Type: MaK 8M 32C, 600 rpm
DRIVE MOTORS 2 x 11,000 kW electrical drive motors, 717 rpm each coupled to a reduction gearbox
Gear Boxes & Propeller GEAR BOXES, PROPELLER gear boxes and controllable pitch propellers m diameter high skew design, bladed, rpm
STEERING EQUIPMENT Steering gear of rotary vane or ram type, max rudder angle 45° Bow Thruster, KW, controllable pitch propeller
I guess these ships are using a traditional propeller and rudder.
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Post by Doug on Sept 3, 2006 20:18:47 GMT -8
Apparently that's just over 29,000 hp for the drive engines....
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Post by Queen of Nanaimo Teen on Sept 3, 2006 22:29:11 GMT -8
One thing I like about the Super C's is that it is actually symetrical now (unlike the C Class ) I think the funnel just looks way out of wack. I really like the B's funnels. They are so big!!!
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Sept 10, 2006 16:49:07 GMT -8
Well this is something I realized and some of you may not like this but it maybe true. If anyone checked out the model of the Super C. Due to the bridge being on deck 5, the pickleforks (decks at the ends of the veesels) will be crew only. Second hint is stairways to the car deck, those areas are actually where anchor gear is for active pass.
EDIT: it is pickleforks because they have two tines not three
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Post by Ferry Rider 42 on Sept 22, 2006 19:53:21 GMT -8
The Module plan is now available on the flensburger website (http://www.fsg-ship.de/).
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Sept 22, 2006 21:11:22 GMT -8
Thanks Ferry Rider 42, welcome and feel free to introduce yourself here. The module plan showed an item of speculation (another one I should say) you will find the quote "deckhouse built by sub-contractor" Is that quote obvious or speculative?
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Post by Scott on Oct 17, 2006 21:33:14 GMT -8
On the plans for the vessel on the Flensburger website, it shows the ferry having one central bulkhead, like the Spirits and the V-class vessels. But in the basic data - cargo section, it mentions "fixed internal ramps". Anyone know what that means?
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Post by Doug on Oct 17, 2006 21:35:28 GMT -8
Like the "V" Class with two ramps on each side of the bulkhead I would assume...? Being fixed doesn't make the Super "C"s look as "state-of-the-art" as I previously though, though.
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Post by Ferryman on Oct 17, 2006 21:56:41 GMT -8
"Fixed Internal Ramps" probably means it will be similar to the C-Class design on the lower cardeck, with the permanent ramps going from deck 2, to deck 3.
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Post by Extreamme on Oct 18, 2006 16:56:18 GMT -8
I would think that they would put the vessels as follows
Tsawwassen-Swartz Bay-SOBC, New West, SOVI, SC3
Tsawwassen-Duke Point-Surrey, Oak Bay
Horseshoe Bay-Departure Bay-SC1, SC2, Coquitlam (winter weekends only), Alberni (summer only)
Horseshoe Bay-Langdale-Cowichan, Coquitlam (summer only)
use Alberni as extra for refit in the winter
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Post by Low Light Mike on Oct 18, 2006 17:28:04 GMT -8
Hey Ms./Mr. Extreamme, I'd love to hear your reasonings for your suggestion ship-deployment.
I think that New West and Alberni are best suited to Route-30 (Tsawwassen-Duke Point), because of their special capacity for overheights. Also, because of New West's high upper car-deck.
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Post by Dane on Oct 18, 2006 17:39:36 GMT -8
I had never thought about seeing the Alberni as the spare C. I'm confident (but not sure) BC Ferries wouldn't/won't do that but at the same time I could see a strong argument for it now that I think about it. It's clearly the worst in terms of passenger space and such, even in the winter it can be mildly problematic. That said the loss of truck capacity would be wholly unacceptable. Plus, we need to see what the Alberni looks like after the midlife, and we can see how successful the Coquitlam is on Rte 30.
Cheers
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Post by Extreamme on Oct 18, 2006 18:06:58 GMT -8
OK my reason for the Surrey and Oak Bay on Route 30 is that they can take 700 more passengers than the Alberni although only 160 more than the New West. also during the winter the New West will just be sitting at Tsawwassen so if worse comes to worse they could send it to Duke Point just like BC Ferries does know with the Esquimalt from Departure Bay to Horseshoe Bay!
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Post by Balfour on Oct 18, 2006 21:40:34 GMT -8
Actually the Esquimalt sits at Departure Bay.
Both the Alberni and New West are specially designed for route 30. The New west can take bigger vehicles on the upper car deck so it can take more trucks on the Lower Car Deck, while the Alberni is mainly designed for trucks. Passenger levels are generally lower on this route as well because most of the passengers are truckers. A third vessel could probably be used in the summertime because it gets slightly busier, but a general increase in capacity year-round would be a waste of space and truck capacity which is the point of the route.
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Post by Extreamme on Oct 19, 2006 6:02:45 GMT -8
I think we should just wait and see how the Coquitlam does this winter on Rute 30 while the Alberni Goes for Mid Life Refit
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Post by Mike C on Oct 19, 2006 20:55:44 GMT -8
Well, the Surrey - Vancouver duo has already been seen on Rte 30 in the past year, right about this time, for the New West's and Alberni's annual refit. That lasted about a month and a half. I don't think it went well with the truckers... (or so I thought)
Like Coastal Skier said, these ships have been specifically designed for their individual routes. Like the Spirits were built for route 1, Mill Bay built for the Mill Bay-Brentwood Bay route, etc. Though some ships are interchangeable, it's mainly best to stick with what you've got.
Back before Duke Point was built (pre 1997) the Esquimalt was the extra Rte 30 and Rte 2 vessel. Now, it does extras on Rte 3, with some on Rte 2. Also, pre 1990, I believe, the Alberni, before lifting, did Rte 30 for TRUCKS ONLY from Tsawwassen to Departure Bay.
I'm sorry, but I don't believe your theory of the other C's on Rte 30 would work. And that is why.
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Post by Ferryman on Oct 19, 2006 21:06:19 GMT -8
Well, the Surrey - Vancouver duo has already been seen on Rte 30 in the past year, right about this time, for the New West's and Alberni's annual refit. That lasted about a month and a half. I don't think it went well with the truckers... (or so I thought) Like Coastal Skier said, these ships have been specifically designed for their individual routes. Like the Spirits were built for route 1, Mill Bay built for the Mill Bay-Brentwood Bay route, etc. Though some ships are interchangeable, it's mainly best to stick with what you've got. Back before Duke Point was built (pre 1997) the Esquimalt was the extra Rte 30 and Rte 2 vessel. Now, it does extras on Rte 3, with some on Rte 2. Also, pre 1990, I believe, the Alberni, before lifting, did Rte 30 for TRUCKS ONLY from Tsawwassen to Departure Bay. I'm sorry, but I don't believe your theory of the other C's on Rte 30 would work. And that is why. Sorry, Michael, some corrections needed here.... Route 30 is a fairly new route still, compared to the other Major Routes. This route was started in 1990. The Alberni, post lifting, was the main ship on Route 3 for a while, then was moved to supplemental service on Route 2 I believe, and most likely an extra on Route 1 as well. When Route 30 was first started, the Alberni was the only ship on the run. Then the freshly lifted Queen of New Westminster was deployed on the run a year or so later. The Eskie wasn't exactly doing extra service on Route 2 back in the early 90's. She was still on Route 1, doing extra service, with her 3 sisters, and the 2 Spirits. The Victoria sort of had the Esquimalts current spot as an extra on Route 2, and possibly Route 3. Apparently the Vicky also ran on Route 30 as well, from time to time.
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Post by Neil on Oct 19, 2006 21:14:05 GMT -8
..... and to add something to what Chris was saying-
I've been a 'regular' on route 30 ever since it started, and there was never any 'trucks only' vessel.
People put a bit too much emphasis on the trucking aspect of route 30. There's always a lot more non-truckers than truckers on board- considering that the upper deck is, after all, mainly all passenger vehicles, and there's a lot more of them than trucks. That's why the Alberni can be so uncomfortably crowded with passengers at peak times.
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