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Post by Dane on Dec 12, 2005 22:45:39 GMT -8
That was actually a typo, it should have read 10.
The Spirits are proof of what could be done in BC, if we invested in infastructure. Quality, durable, reliable ships that come in below cost. The Caplilano and Cumberland of aproximatly the same vintage are also very successful. The RADS, well, not such a hot buy but that comes with any new purchases really.
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Post by hergfest on Dec 13, 2005 0:37:04 GMT -8
I read that the Spirit's came in way over budget. They have been reliable though, but you would expect that in ships that are less than 15 years old. And the RADs on the Cumbie and Cap have been a nightmare in the last year.
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Post by Dane on Dec 13, 2005 0:46:29 GMT -8
I read that the Spirit's came in way over budget. They have been reliable though, but you would expect that in ships that are less than 15 years old. And the RADs on the Cumbie and Cap have been a nightmare in the last year. BC was under about 15%, I'm not sure on the Van Isl.
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Post by Ferryman on Dec 13, 2005 8:01:47 GMT -8
The Spirits were a few months late too. One thing David Hahn doesn't want with the Super C's, and another reason why he picked Flensburger..
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Post by NMcKay on Dec 13, 2005 9:59:22 GMT -8
they did come in over budget, and it was a typical design error that killed the Pacificats, that almost killed the cappie and the cumbie, they had to xtend the RAD drive shaft by about 3 feet because otherwise they would have stuck out of the water.
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Post by Dane on Dec 13, 2005 15:13:39 GMT -8
12.8% under budget for the WHOLE project. There was also a funding increase, however, after the commsiioning of the ships. I dropped by the Van City Library today. They have all the old BCF reports available to the public, worth a look.
Hasn't HL tried to commission its next ship in BC?
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Post by Dane on Dec 14, 2005 19:06:04 GMT -8
As much as it pains me it is a an excellent contract they have.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 15, 2005 8:06:30 GMT -8
......but in BC, it's all about getting gov't subsidies and paying union wages (along with payroll deductions for union dues that are used to fund the NDP).
But I agree, that BC shipyards are so sadly out of touch in their perspective.......or at least that's how they've been portrayed (because I don't really know anyone in the shipyards).
From what I've seen in the media (mostly in summer 2004), all the BC Shipyards cared about was getting the super-C contract. They are myopic: they can't see past BC.
Or so it seems....
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Post by Dane on Dec 15, 2005 9:50:01 GMT -8
IF BC Shipyards and the "local" Naval Architects can do such a good job - then why hasn't Harbourlynx placed a order for there much talked about replacement vessel. Even Victoria Clipper - which are looking. Given all the talk about how great these places / business are - ref; the Super C's debates... It's out to tender right now.
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Post by Alex on Dec 15, 2005 13:31:58 GMT -8
IF BC Shipyards and the "local" Naval Architects can do such a good job - then why hasn't Harbourlynx placed a order for there much talked about replacement vessel. Any company can make a good ship. There's no special secrets hidden away in the successful ship building companies. All it takes is hiring the right people. BC could easily have a ship building industry as successful as anyone in the world. However, it does take a large amount of capital to expand in such a way. It doesn't appear that anyone here wants to invest in such a company. Neither does the government. So unlike a lot of countries that would get heavy subsidies from their governments, our ship building industry will simply do maintenance on the existing ships in the area. Oh well.
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Post by NMcKay on Dec 15, 2005 16:16:23 GMT -8
unfortunatly. i wish i could tell you. you'll just have to wait till january....then i can tell you.
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Post by Dane on Dec 15, 2005 23:11:33 GMT -8
Dane, If your talking about the proposed new Harbourlynx vessel - my understanding is that it is going to America - not BC - nor is it a BC design - but American design. The benefit here is that re-sale value will remain high as it is been built under the Jones Act - hence no problem in selling it on to an American operator. Plus added into the mix is the grants Washington State and Federal USA gives it shipyards. Gibson Economic Development people are going for a Dutch build Fast Ferry - so why can they offer a better deal than the Americans or BC/Canadian Government. And no - cut price deals either via grants & tax credits ect.. Their press realease to CanWest stipulated BC built unless they're renagged on this.
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Post by kylefossett on Dec 21, 2005 18:38:23 GMT -8
Dane, Fine - then let's see what the New Year brings - orders for BC Shipyards or South of the boarder shipyards? because of the dollar, don't expect any american orders to be placed in the bc shipyards. the yacht builders are already starting to feel the hurt of a higher canadian $
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Post by Dane on Dec 22, 2005 19:02:12 GMT -8
Dane, Fine - then let's see what the New Year brings - orders for BC Shipyards or South of the boarder shipyards? because of the dollar, don't expect any american orders to be placed in the bc shipyards. the yacht builders are already starting to feel the hurt of a higher canadian $ True true. I heard some economists expect it to go to .9... But some also think it'll sink again depending on eletion results. I wish I was an economist, I could say anything.
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Post by Scott on Dec 27, 2005 10:55:32 GMT -8
Maybe we can get some ships built in Scotland again!
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Post by Scott on Dec 31, 2005 10:41:58 GMT -8
Yeah, that's true. The whole worldwide shipbuilding industry has changed since the old Union and Princess ships were built.
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Post by Dane on Jan 3, 2006 22:45:38 GMT -8
I was on the Queen of Chilliwack for the first time yesturday. I didn't like it, so I'm going to hate all European ferries out of ignorance.
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Post by spiritvi on Apr 3, 2006 15:52:42 GMT -8
Has there been any pictures of the ships under construction been released? it'd be interesting to take a look at them under building.
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Post by Doug on Apr 3, 2006 18:43:43 GMT -8
They haven't even started building them yet....
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Post by spiritvi on Apr 3, 2006 19:39:25 GMT -8
Really? Ok, that's crazy, how were our ships so far back on Flensburger's schedule?
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Post by Dane on Apr 3, 2006 20:35:15 GMT -8
They haven't even started building them yet.... Some one on the board said the first steal was cut like a month ago?
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Post by Doug on Apr 3, 2006 20:48:23 GMT -8
Well if you want pictures of steel, just type in "steel" on Google. But they don't start the assembly until September.
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Post by Dane on Apr 3, 2006 21:00:43 GMT -8
It's boring, yes, but alas still part of the process.
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Post by spiritvi on Apr 4, 2006 6:21:35 GMT -8
Wow. considering we ordered them, what, last summerish? and the assembly won't start until a full year later? They must be busy, or we could've had our ships a year earlier!
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Apr 4, 2006 12:00:38 GMT -8
You do not know how a ship is built, it takes at least one year to construct and one year to fit out. Also these new vessels will take a month to travel across the oceans and seas to get to BC.
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