Kam
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Post by Kam on Jan 10, 2007 11:05:55 GMT -8
The media always gets something mixed up. It's annoying. As a member of the media, let me just say that 99% of the time the screw-up is in the information provided to us. The basic job of a reporter (that I am not, btw) is to report the facts as they are presented. |
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Post by Fenklebaum on Jan 10, 2007 11:51:48 GMT -8
Oh, JOY.
Yet another media frenzy over an event that, while unfortunate, has little to no bearing on the safety of the system as a whole. Let's go, gang...
Fenk, bearing down.
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Post by Scott (Former Account) on Jan 10, 2007 14:43:27 GMT -8
 Today, myself and Graham went to observe the work going on at the Nanaimo Harbour terminal after yesterdays incident. By the time we arrived (1:00), it appeared that most of the work has been completed... Photo's are located here. |
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Doug
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Post by Doug on Jan 10, 2007 16:46:36 GMT -8
Doug, as a union member i find your comments offensive. This type of opinion is, unfortunately, typical of many in the general public who have no respect for the job we do. I don't really see how this is offending...but as you noticed, I kept my opinion short and did not pinpoint anyone in particular. Historically speaking, however, isn't it true that the union management blames the company for every possible defect in the system? Look, do you work for the ferries for the money and experience, or just the for the position of being in a union? |
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Post by Curtis on Jan 10, 2007 17:33:51 GMT -8
Today, myself and Graham went to observe the work going on at the Nanaimo Harbour terminal after yesterdays incident. By the time we arrived (1:00), it appeared that most of the work has been completed... Photo's are located here. Nice Photos. Looks like nothing happened. |
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Post by Scott on Jan 10, 2007 18:23:06 GMT -8
I know it's been mentioned before, but it could have been a lot worse. Thinking of myself... with a baby strapped in the back seat, there's no way I could have got out in a couple of seconds. Or think of someone disabled or elderly who can't move as fast. Or just a minivan with 4 kids inside. Very fortunate that it wasn't worse.
As for what caused it, it must be quite a mystery. I know there was a pretty strong wind yesterday, which could have maybe played a factor.
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Doug
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Post by Doug on Jan 10, 2007 18:34:28 GMT -8
According to Global, David Hahn payed for everyones hotel rooms with his own credit card.
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Post by bcfcbccsscollector on Jan 10, 2007 19:08:00 GMT -8
I have been on the bridge of the Quinsam several times, including times when the ship was loading and departing. If I remember correctly, the ticket booth gives the clearance to depart, then the deckhand contacts the bridge via phone for the "All clear", the ramp is raised then they depart.
To answer a comment posted earlier, it is redundant to have a TV monitor on a ship with this design, as you have a complete, unobstructed view of the car deck, specifically, the loading ramp. I find it very hard to believe that given the vantage point and procedures involved, that human error would be to blame. I personally would look at a mechanical/electrical failure in the control consoles (Or something of the like). This is somewhat similar to an incident with the Bowen Queen. And I can attest to this personally, as I can recall coming home from work, pulling into Descanso Bay on the Bowen Queen, merely feet from the berth, only to suddenly pull away at full speed. We got out to the point before they regained control. It was quite the ride going full speed astern............
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 10, 2007 19:18:49 GMT -8
I saw the Union prez Jackie Miller on CH News tonight, and she had complementary words to say about how the BCFS company has handled this matter so far.
Observing the handling of this matter should give a good indication of the culture of union leadership & company leadership.....or at least how they portray themselves when releasing info to or talking to the media.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 10, 2007 19:24:09 GMT -8
Hey guys, I thought that after the June 2005 Oak Bay incident and after the Q-North sinking, that we members on this board had developed our personal style of reacting to such incidents. Now with this Quinsam "Loadis Interruptus", there are some expected member contributions missing from this thread: - Why didn't Mac break the news, by starting the thread? - Why hasn't Klatawa Teen told us exactly what happened mechanically to cause the accident? - Why didn't we have 75 persons viewing our webpage simultaneously today? - Why hasn't Fenklebaum compared the accident to a similar happening with a CP ship? Come on guys, you have roles to play.....  And where's Harry today? |
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Post by Fenklebaum on Jan 10, 2007 20:08:24 GMT -8
Same place he is every night, Pinky... Trying to buy the Mill Bay! Fenk, Brain-y |
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Post by Fenklebaum on Jan 10, 2007 20:13:43 GMT -8
Hey guys, I thought that after the June 2005 Oak Bay incident and after the Q-North sinking, that we members on this board had developed our personal style of reacting to such incidents. Now with this Quinsam "Loadis Interruptus", there are some expected member contributions missing from this thread: - Why didn't Mac break the news, by starting the thread? - Why hasn't Klatawa Teen told us exactly what happened mechanically to cause the accident? - Why didn't we have 75 persons viewing our webpage simultaneously today? - Why hasn't Fenklebaum compared the accident to a similar happening with a CP ship? Come on guys, you have roles to play..... Cuz the CP ships never had accidents. Ever. Fenk, shamefully unwilling to admit to not knowing the total operational history of the CPR's BCCSS. |
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Post by bcfcbccsscollector on Jan 10, 2007 22:20:56 GMT -8
Cuz the CP ships never had accidents. Ever. Fenklebaum, better specify what you mean by "Accidents"...... (As I have a keen interest in BCCSS) and.............. SS Charmer (Collided with SS Tartar, October 1907) Princess May (Grounded on Sentinel Island, August 5, 1910) Princess Sophia (Sank off Vanderbilt Reef, Lynn Canal on October 24, 1918) and probably the worst incident to date on the west coast with the loss of approximately 343 passengers and crew. Plus I can remember the "Maggie" grounding in Victoria Harbour back in the late 80's - early 90's, while backing out for Seattle. She was drydocked to fix a damaged screw I believe. With the exception of the Maggie, see below......  Just to name a few...........      |
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Post by Fenklebaum on Jan 10, 2007 23:09:16 GMT -8
BCFBCCSSCollector, fret not... I was being sarcastic.
I'm well aware that the CPR had their fair share of accidents; no shipping line goes without. Indeed, I am familiar with the circumstances of the Sophia's tragic loss, the collision of the Princess Kathleen and the Prince George (I believe it was the George... ??), as well as the subsequent loss of the Kathleen. Though I'm disinclined to count it, perhaps the BCCSS' wartime loss of the first Princess Marguerite might also apply.
I could not think of an incident directly related to this particular circumstance... and seeing as how my reference materials are not currently at my disposal, I turned to sweet lady sarcasm for a little comfort.
Fenk, deficient
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Post by Dane on Jan 10, 2007 23:32:58 GMT -8
Um, excuse me. They MEANT to do those things... therefore they're not accidents. ;D
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Post by BrianWilliams on Jan 11, 2007 0:10:29 GMT -8
I heard Jackie Miller on CBC Radio this morning (10 Jan 2006) and she didn't blame management for the Nanaimo near-tragedy. She referred to Departure Bay's QNW death of three people, and emphasized that that BCF and the workers have co-operated in training, equipment and procedures to ensure this never happens again.
It d*mn near did yesterday.
I have a couple of thoughts, though: Was it necessary to sail Quinsam to Tilbury (Delta) for an examination? She's berthed there while the Vancouver-based engineers check her out.
Couldn't the boffins have travelled to Nanaimo?
And, strong sympathy to John's post. Mr Nicofore was alone in his vehicle; but if he had children with him, how long and difficult would it have been to get the kids to safety?
Maybe that's a reminder to parents. Child car seats have easy-snap buckles that release quickly, but parents should learn and rehearse the procedure.
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Post by Dane on Jan 11, 2007 1:01:48 GMT -8
After QNW BCF said don't wear seatbelts when loading. I'm sure ICBC wouldnt agree.
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Neil
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Post by Neil on Jan 11, 2007 19:02:52 GMT -8
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Post by Scott on Jan 11, 2007 22:50:56 GMT -8
Regarding child seats... "Fortunately" my daughter doesn't like her car seat so by the time we're loading a ferry, she's on mom's lap enjoying the better view:)
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 13, 2007 11:37:30 GMT -8
12 months or longer, is my guess.
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Post by Neil on Jan 13, 2007 13:22:27 GMT -8
According to the Sun's Vaughn Palmer, the judicial inquiry ordered by Glen Clark after the '92 incident took one month, and resulted in operational changes and disciplinary action. There's no reason why this should take longer.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 13, 2007 17:22:12 GMT -8
According to the Sun's Vaughn Palmer, the judicial inquiry ordered by Glen Clark after the '92 incident took one month, and resulted in operational changes and disciplinary action. There's no reason why this should take longer. I was following the instructions in HornbyGuy's signature-line. Wow, the Nemetz inquiry was done fast & decisively, it seems. Does anyone remember seeing/reading the August 1992 news, where apparently the Queen of Sidney pulled away early at Westview, 1 or 2 days after the QNW accident. I remember seeing amateur video on that, on a newscast. |
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Post by Retrovision on Jan 13, 2007 20:04:10 GMT -8
The day after the accident  
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Post by Coastal Drought on Jan 13, 2007 21:17:30 GMT -8
Lucky for BC Ferries, it wasn't that bad. There wasn't a life lost in this incident.
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Post by Scott on Jan 13, 2007 22:04:27 GMT -8
Could someone please clarify what the normal proceedures are for vessels docking? From my observation, it seems that when the ferry is docked, the engines are still "slow ahead", keeping the ferry pushing against the dock.
Then there's the metal "ropes" that are connected to hooks on the dock. After the crew members do this, they sound the alarm (one long, three short blasts) to signal that they're docked. What is the purpose of these "ropes"? They don't seem to me to be enough to keep the ferry in the dock if it suddenly pulled away (I don't know if anything practical would be that strong).
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