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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 21, 2006 18:28:59 GMT -8
re Hornbyguy's post/quote from the report, re the Vesuvius, Saltspring & Pender queens' retirements.
From those same 1990's to now, we have the following new minor ships:
- Capilano
- Cumberland
- Skeena
- J.A.B. Kuper
They list 3 departed, and I've listed 4 acquired....so I don't know how necessary the JAB-Kuper is.
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Post by Ferryman on Dec 21, 2006 18:47:39 GMT -8
Ah yes, good point Flugel.
-The Queen of Capilano was built, to be put on the Horseshoe Bay - Bowen Island route, so the Howe Sound Queen could be used on the Crofton - Vesuvius, which made the Vesuvius Queen, routeless.
-The Queen of Cumberland was built to be put on the Swartz Bay - Southern Gulf Islands to bring more capacity on the route. This left the Nicola and Tachek free for relief and extra service.
-The Skeena Queen was built for the Swartz Bay - Fulford Harbour route, to add more capacity to the route, and free up the Bowen Queen (II), so it could provide extra, or relief service. The Bowen Queen was on the route to temporarily replace the Saltspring Queen.
Current Relief vessels: Bowen Queen, Tachek, and Kahloke.
Retired minor vessels in the 1990s: Saltspring Queen, Vesuvius Queen, Albert J. Savoie, ( Nicola, still owned, but not operated? )
Now if we need more relief vessels....How come the 2 other Century Classes were never built? Stupid Fatcats....
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Post by Neil on Dec 21, 2006 19:21:51 GMT -8
I don't see how you can compare the Pender/Saltspring/Vesuvius to the Cumberland/Capilano/Skeena, which are all over twice the size- other than the fact that BC Ferries uses "minor" to describe them all.
Did the Nicola ever serve in the southern Gulf Islands? If so, like the Tachek, I think it was only intermittently, and briefly.
Kahloke is not a relief vessel. It's the normal boat on the Thetis and Kuper run in the off season, and serves Hornby late spring to fall.
Agreed, a boat the size of the Kuper probably wasn't their most pressing need. Guess they're thinking of the advancing age of the k-class, with a slight upgrade in capacity.
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Post by kylefossett on Dec 21, 2006 19:40:46 GMT -8
Ah yes, good point Flugel. -The Skeena Queen was built for the Swartz Bay - Fulford Harbour route, to add more capacity to the route, and free up the Bowen Queen (II), so it could provide extra, or relief service. The Bowen Queen was on the route to temporarily replace the Saltspring Queen. Current Relief vessels: Bowen Queen, Tachek, and Kahloke. . The Bowen Queen was never a temporary replacement vessel on Fulford-Swartz Bay. She was the main vessel from the early 80's until the Skeena came into service. The Saltspring Queen was used as a relief vessel for the Bowen Queen during this time. The Bowen Queen is used on route 9a in the summer Kahloke as stated in a previous post is on Hornby in the summer and based out of Chemainus in the winter. or is it vice versa but anyways she is fulltime on routes |
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Post by Curtis on Dec 21, 2006 19:45:16 GMT -8
-The Queen of Capilano was built, to be put on the Horseshoe Bay - Bowen Island route, so the Howe Sound Queen could be used on the Crofton - Vesuvius, which made the Vesuvius Queen, routeless. Technically, The Queen of Capilano was built to be put on the Jervis Inlet route freeing up the Powell River Queen to do the Campbell River-Quadra route but many engine problems brought it to the Bowen Island Route leaving the Queen of Chilliwack to serve Jervis Inlet so it freed the Howe Sound Queen to do the Crofton Vesuvius Route Allowing the Vesuvius Queen to retire. Just thought I'd point that out |
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Post by Dane on Dec 21, 2006 19:51:14 GMT -8
It also gives them the ability to have a spare vessel, something they are currently lacking and have been for a few years.
I have no idea if that is there plan for use in that manner, but BCFS has a pathetic ratio of spare vessels on the docket.
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Post by kylefossett on Dec 21, 2006 20:00:42 GMT -8
It also gives them the ability to have a spare vessel, something they are currently lacking and have been for a few years. I have no idea if that is there plan for use in that manner, but BCFS has a pathetic ratio of spare vessels on the docket. Is there a spare minor vessel in the summer? |
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Post by Curtis on Dec 21, 2006 22:25:21 GMT -8
Often it's a ship like the Tachek. In the summer 33 out of the 35 vessels in the fleet are in full operation.
Next Summer it should be 34 out of 36 in Full Operation.
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Post by NMcKay on Dec 23, 2006 15:45:45 GMT -8
I think they will settle out when they aquire the Klatawa and Kulleet in the summer of 2010
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Post by Retrovision on Dec 23, 2006 16:25:23 GMT -8
FYI: this excerpt from a report to the BC Ferry Commission, explaining the purchase of the John Atlantic Burr: 11. M.V. “John Atlantic Burr”
Acquiring an additional smaller vessel to operate on the minor routes was
necessary to expand the number of minor vessels in the fleet thus increasing
the flexibility of deployment options surrounding refit relief periods. The M.V.
“Pender Queen”, M.V. “Vesuvius Queen”, and M.V. “Saltspring Queen” were
minor vessels retired in the 1990’s without replacement. The M.V. “John
Atlantic Burr” (JAB), was offered for sale by the State of Utah – Department
of Transportation. The ship is a K class vessel of similar design to BC Ferries’
vessel M.V. “Klitsa”. The JAB was constructed in 1985 and lengthened in
1996. A survey identified that the JAB was in excellent condition as it served
its entire 20 years on a fresh water lake in a very hot and dry climate,
resulting in excellent preservation of the vessel’s structure and its associated
machinery and electrical equipment. Interesting. I don't think any of us thought of those long departed boats when we were considering the addition of the new Kuper to the fleet. I feel like I can't thank you enough for pointing-out this piece of documentation, primarily because of its contents specifically about the basis for the purchace of the former John Atlantic Burr, of relatively identical design as our K-Class vessels designed by Marine Design Associates. I've always wondered why the majority of people in North America don't seem to easily associate the past with the present on so many levels, from politics to, in this case, logistical considerations of the past when planning for future ferry volume needs; although some might accuse that this is merely more digging for profits by a now relatively private company. |
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