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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jun 24, 2006 20:51:34 GMT -8
No wonder BCF has lost the "Coastal Inspiration" they dont even know their ships LOL!!
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Post by BrianWilliams on Jun 25, 2006 3:19:30 GMT -8
I certainly endorse MV Hartley Bay as a fine name for a BC Ferry, whatever route it may sail. Geographic names can be a pain, when boats are re-assigned, but Hartley Bay is a name that should live forever. In the long tradition of BC coastal people selflessly helping others in peril, Hartley Bay is the latest example, and one of the best. BCF may not wish to remind the world of Queen of the North's tragedy, but Hartley Bay people's heroism is the best advertisement for British Columbia, I believe. Please, no more themes. Coastal, Spirit, Queen, whatever ... just simple MV something; and MV Hartley Bay is a good start. I can imagine a commissioning ceremony for MV Hartley Bay. Every person resident in the village on that terrible day should be present, and awarded a lifetime pass on BC Ferries.  |
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Post by Mike C on Jun 25, 2006 12:06:52 GMT -8
Complete Agreeance.
Hartley Bay is a great example of how they put others before themselves... something that we as British Columbians should be proud of. They should be awarded for their efforts in helping BCFerries.
MV Hartley Bay.
Cheers,
-Michael
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Post by Quinsam on Jun 28, 2006 8:02:15 GMT -8
I think that is a good name.
1. Sonia: Hartley Bay
2. New vessel 1: Queen of the North II
3. New vessel 2: Queen of the South
(Queen of the North II starts at Prince Rupert, and Queen of the South Starts at Port Hardy, they both leave at the same time.
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Post by Mike C on Jun 28, 2006 9:02:57 GMT -8
I think BC Ferries is looking for something a little more original than Queen of the South. How 'bout the Queen of Milbanke Sound, or MV Milbanke Sound?
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Post by Quinsam on Jun 28, 2006 14:52:57 GMT -8
Queen of Wright Sound instead of Queen of the North II
Memory of the North (Similar vessel to the Queen of the North)
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Post by BrianWilliams on Jun 28, 2006 23:52:20 GMT -8
Michael:
A couple of old stories showing me (a green city kid) how courageous coastal mariners are.
In summer 1969, I was the youngest and dumbest kid crewing on San Juan, a steel seiner. We made a few sets in Johnston Strait, mostly water, but hauled enough pink salmon to wear me out.
I collapsed into my bunk after chow. Then the bells went off.
Pitch dark on the water, but the boat's lights were full on.
A little gillnetter was reported lost, miles north of us. VHF radio crackled. Our skipper and many others scrambled to the scene. On the scene, working boats' lights were everywhere; a constellation of hope.
Sadly, we found nothing. Days later in Alert Bay we learned that the little family boat went down, and all perished.
2 years later, I was a happy guest on a Fisheries patrol boat (my prospective father-in-law's seaworthy cruiser). At almost the same place, the radio crackled for help.
It was a bright, hot August morning. Two canoes and four people were lost since the last night. "Eyes on the water" Canadian Coast Guard asked .. and they were saved.
At dawn, a tiny Indian fishing boat found an empty canoe. He had no radio, but gave up his days' work to go home and report the find, prompting the CG call.
Once again, all the boats in the area stopped work and joined the search. We were late on the scene, but saw the two survivors saved by another boat. I've never seen folks as cold.
We took their companions on board. Though afloat, they had no idea where their friends were in the long night. Tidal currents run 15 knots. It's a miracle they weren't 20 miles apart at dawn.
Well, that is routine, I believe. Just another day for working people on our coast. Too often, they are life saving heroes.
It's marvellous.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Aug 30, 2006 12:58:06 GMT -8
Sorry to bump this but I did think of something, should the other two vessels be named after the people who died on the QoTN when it sank?
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Post by Low Light Mike on Aug 30, 2006 16:50:42 GMT -8
Should the other two vessels be named after the people who died on the QoTN when it sank? My immediate gut reaction to that suggestion is a resounding "No"......but let me pause and try to articulate why I feel this way: - The victims' families would likely not want to be reminded of the ferry tragedy by such a naming. Same reason why Berth #3 at Departure Bay is not named the "Askew Berth" - But when I say that, I'm also reminded of the "Ironworkers' Memorial 2nd Narrows Bridge", the "Memorial Cup" in hockey, the "Memorial University of Newfoundland", and numerous other situations where deaths are memorialised in structures. - The closest example maybe is the 2nd Narrows Bridge, where the Gov't of the day was "responsible" for the tragedy (whether at fault or not, they were the owners of the project). - Maybe the difference is the length of time between the tragedy and the naming-recognition.....enough time to heal. There's also the matter of outstanding litigation re the deaths.... |
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Post by ruddernut on Sept 14, 2006 23:18:47 GMT -8
Please, no more themes. Coastal, Spirit, Queen, whatever ... just simple MV something; and MV Hartley Bay is a good start. Kind of boring and lacks character, wouldn't you say? Kind of like calling the Vancouver Canucks Vancouver HC (Hockey Club) instead, or like any of those bland and boring European soccer team names (FC, United, etc.). Putting "Spirit of" before Hartley Bay would be fitting, since it would be acknowledging the actual spirit of its residents. |
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Post by Retrovision on Sept 15, 2006 0:03:49 GMT -8
Let's rename the Sonia in honour of our fallen flagship... M.V. Convenient Tourist Attraction  |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 15, 2006 7:36:42 GMT -8
Please, no more themes. Coastal, Spirit, Queen, whatever ... just simple MV something; and MV Hartley Bay is a good start. Kind of boring and lacks character, wouldn't you say? Kind of like calling the Vancouver Canucks Vancouver HC (Hockey Club) instead, or like any of those bland and boring European soccer team names (FC, United, etc.). Putting "Spirit of" before Hartley Bay would be fitting, since it would be acknowledging the actual spirit of its residents. To challenge your matter-of-factly premise: - Some folks like the classic simplicity of a name like "Real Madrid" or "Boca Juniors" or "Toronto F.C.". Same with ship's names. The world's a big place, room enough for lots of differing tastes.... |
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Post by ruddernut on Sept 15, 2006 11:06:46 GMT -8
Kind of boring and lacks character, wouldn't you say? Kind of like calling the Vancouver Canucks Vancouver HC (Hockey Club) instead, or like any of those bland and boring European soccer team names (FC, United, etc.). Putting "Spirit of" before Hartley Bay would be fitting, since it would be acknowledging the actual spirit of its residents. To challenge your matter-of-factly premise: - Some folks like the classic simplicity of a name like "Real Madrid" or "Boca Juniors" or " Toronto F.C.". Same with ship's names. The world's a big place, room enough for lots of differing tastes.... They could have stuck with Toronto Blizzard or something like that, but instead chose to go all stuffy and pretentiously European. |
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Post by Scott on Sept 16, 2006 9:22:16 GMT -8
Isn't the "Coastal" name for the new C-class vessels? C as in Coastal? I didn't think that it would be applied to any of the other ships, but I could be wrong.
I also don't think it's appropriate to name the ferries after the people who died in the sinking of the Queen of the North.
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Post by ruddernut on Sept 16, 2006 9:34:56 GMT -8
Name one after the Native tribe of Hartley Bay.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 17, 2006 12:40:37 GMT -8
To challenge your matter-of-factly premise: - Some folks like the classic simplicity of a name like "Real Madrid" or "Boca Juniors" or " Toronto F.C.". Same with ship's names. The world's a big place, room enough for lots of differing tastes.... They could have stuck with Toronto Blizzard or something like that, but instead chose to go all stuffy and pretentiously European. : Way to go on following-up one matter-of-factly statement with another. I've got you pegged as a "my way, or the highway" type of guy? You've likely got me pegged as someone who likes to challenge those "matter of factly" opinion/statements. Fair comment, or am I reading you wrong? (this is asked, in the interests of understanding your posting context, as that would help me in better "getting" your comments). I'd rather understand where someone is coming from, instead of having a message-board battle-royal over communication styles..... |
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Post by Queen of Nanaimo Teen on Sept 17, 2006 14:10:16 GMT -8
I highly doubt that BC Ferries is going to name the new ship after Hartley Bay. When I was on the QOPR's bridge, and talking to some of the crew (ex Queen of the North's crew) They said that the people of Hartley Bay did almost nothing. It was the Coast Guard that really helped the QOTN. All the people of Hartley Bay did was give the people a place to stay overnight. They were really quite unnecessary. So bc ferries doesn't really care much about the people of Hartley Bay because they didn't really do much. This is what the ex QOTN crew had to say, this is not my opinion.
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Post by Neil on Sept 17, 2006 15:42:37 GMT -8
That is not true, and really ignorant; either on the part of who said it, or who's reporting it.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Sept 17, 2006 16:08:22 GMT -8
I have to agree with you hornbyguy, the community of Hartley Bay did not have to do that but they did anyways. They got up in the middle of the night to help those who needed help and again, how long did it take for the Coast Guard to get there? A few hours after the sinking? The community of Hartley Bay provided food, shelter, and clothing to people who did not have much left. The Coast Guard did most of the work in helping the people? I don't believe that.
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Post by Doug on Sept 17, 2006 16:23:47 GMT -8
Actually all surrounding craft of vessel in distress are required by law to assist.
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Post by Doug on Sept 17, 2006 16:25:54 GMT -8
So bc ferries doesn't really care much about the people of Hartley Bay because they didn't really do much. No...that's the ship's officers' opinion. Aren't they currently facing suspension and a lawsuit? |
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Post by markkarj on Sept 24, 2006 16:46:39 GMT -8
Complete Agreeance. Hartley Bay is a great example of how they put others before themselves... something that we as British Columbians should be proud of. They should be awarded for their efforts in helping BCFerries. MV Hartley Bay. Cheers, -Michael I agree with Hartley Bay. I think it would also be respectful to call the ship (whether it's the Sonia or the QPR replacement) MV Gitk'a'ata, which I think is the Tsimsian (sp) name for Hartley Bay. What would you all think if BC Ferries were to designate the new ship (Hartley Bay/Gitk'a'ata) as the flagship of the fleet? |
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Post by Retrovision on Sept 26, 2006 22:49:15 GMT -8
Side Note: Although all the press about the replacements clearly states that the Sonia is a replacement for the Queen of the North, as we're now learning it's actually intended to be a replacement for the Queen of Prince Rupert on the Hecate Strait route to Haida Gwaii (Queen Charlottte Islands) from Prince Rupert. It's quite unclear to me, other than for the sake of public relations and promotion, why the Sonia is being relentlessly touted as the replacement for the Queen of the North to the point of people even calling the actual replacement of the QotNorth the Queen of Prince Rupert II.
But to my point: I'm hearing more and more now that the people of Hartley Bay are against the idea of their taking credit even in the form of a name, let alone in the form of the economic benefits brought by the throngs of people who will be soon be descending on their village in order to dive to the conveniently placed wreck of our fallen flagship, the Queen of the North.
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Post by cascade on Sept 27, 2006 8:32:15 GMT -8
I doubt very much if anyone will be diving on the wreak of the Queen - she is just to deep for normal Scuba Diving - even on gas diving - it is still to deep. So the "so called" economic benefit is a joke.
The deepest I have dive on air is 144 feet - and that was pure stupidly on my part - in the Red Sea - just got lost and was following a ray down - luckily my partner noticed how deep we were going.
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Post by Retrovision on Sept 27, 2006 9:13:16 GMT -8
I'm not a scuba diver myself, so thanks for clearing that up. I'm sad to admit that I've even entertained such notions in my mind, especially before the TSB report is released, but I actually hope that others similarly go over all possibilities in their heads whenever any company benefits financially from the loss of one of their major assets. After all, if it wasn't for people not asking questions, George Bush Jr. might not have even been declared the winner of the U.S. (World?) presidential election in 2000 |
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