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Post by nolonger on Feb 10, 2006 1:46:44 GMT -8
These are fuel saving measures. On the Alberni our crossings times are up to about 2 hours 10 minutes on my watch.
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Post by Koastal Karl on Feb 10, 2006 12:17:37 GMT -8
I have a documentary on the building of the Skeena Queen. Chris said he might be able to convert it to DVD. I wonder if there is somehow he could post the video on here if I was able to convert it then you could see it for yourself.
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Post by Ferryman on Feb 10, 2006 17:13:23 GMT -8
I could post it on here as well, Karl, just like I do with my last two videos.
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Post by Starbucks Queen on Feb 12, 2006 4:15:19 GMT -8
where have the Naval Architects gone.... Not to Canada, I can assure you   Ask around either in Norway, Finland or Germany ..... good luck !!! |
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Post by Mike C on Feb 12, 2006 13:37:50 GMT -8
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Post by Ferryman on Feb 13, 2006 23:09:15 GMT -8
Don't get me wrong - but I actually like the look of the Skeena Queen. All the artist impression are great - to bad they could not built it correctly. I think that they forgot to tank test her design before starting the build project. (They had this same problem with the FastCat's - someone just didn't learn) One of the proposed routes was on Bowen island - but if you read the sea trial's - she failed on her power slides. Problems with the keel & rudders - which brings us back to the design element - where are all of our world class Naval Architect / Designers? After watching this building of the Skeena Queen video, twice now, Cascade was right, and they did have many problems with the ship. They did test the hull design in a place in Austria. They also designed it so it could handle the cross currents of Active Pass. There's no rudders on this ferry, just 4 Z drives. She failed her power slides because they hydraulic motors that turned the Z drives, were underpowered, and then actually replaced after the first sea trial. Once they did that, they docked it at Tsawassen, and did a run from Tsawwassen to Swartz Bay, via Active Pass-the routes the normal major ferries take. So they went full throttle through Active Pass at 18 knots, and tested her endurence for the hard 90 degree turn out of the Pass. I'll post this video on here within the next couple of days, it's actually a very interesting video, and it shows the design process. |
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Post by Quinsam on Feb 18, 2006 20:08:23 GMT -8
Ok, so what do we think the Mill bay should do after her route is sold? Because it will be, shortly. She goes 7nmph (Nautical Miles Per Hour) and can fit 16(Sometimes 18) Cars on board, and she cannot go in open water, any suggestions for her future?
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Post by Mike C on Feb 18, 2006 20:59:44 GMT -8
um, no. It's hard to find a route for this old boat. I can't think of any good routes...
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Post by kylefossett on Feb 19, 2006 11:18:24 GMT -8
sink her
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Post by Quinsam on Feb 19, 2006 11:51:45 GMT -8
Not Permitted.
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Post by Curtis on Feb 19, 2006 12:24:46 GMT -8
Okay she can't be used on sevaral routes so why not save her for something she is almost 50 years old after all and has ran the route for most of the route's 80+ life so why not save her she is a peice of History for Saanich Inlet
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Post by Starbucks Queen on Feb 23, 2006 13:11:43 GMT -8
Ok, so what do we think the Mill bay should do after her route is sold? Because it will be, shortly. She goes 7nmph (Nautical Miles Per Hour) and can fit 16(Sometimes 18) Cars on board, and she cannot go in open water, any suggestions for her future? SCRAP IT ! I mean, where is the sense discussing what to do with this ship, which is obviously not good for any route, and could do nothing else but create a loss of money for it´s company ? - And is even ot an historically valuable ship which should be saved. BCF needs to take care, to have the right ships on the right routes, and if it´s needed to abandon routes as well as ships. It´s tax-money after all and one thing that could really anger me is the state, wasting taxpayers money = literally throwing it out of the window. |
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Post by Quinsam on Feb 23, 2006 15:42:30 GMT -8
The Mill bay uses barely a barrel of gas a day, and the boat is so little it costs less to run than the V's, but then it can't carry many passengers or vehicles so that brings things down a bit, but the vessel is in good shape, it is NOT about to sink like the Smokwa, and is good enough to live at least another 5-10 years.
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Post by Mike C on Feb 23, 2006 18:18:37 GMT -8
Why doesn't BCF park it in Lonsdale, sell it, and give tours of the historical ship? I know, they can have it where they tour the ship, and while they do, they can carry the little headset with them,and when you come to a certain point, you enter the code, and it plays a little brief audio documentary on the location?
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Post by Doug on Feb 24, 2006 22:26:54 GMT -8
What the Mill Bay needs is a one-way ticket to Alang.
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Post by Quinsam on Feb 24, 2006 22:33:04 GMT -8
O K, why might she need that? Maybe a one way ticket to the museum?
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Post by Starbucks Queen on Feb 25, 2006 2:51:09 GMT -8
Because nobody wants to waste money to keep that one as a museum ship due to it´s lack of historic significance - simple.
And since there are not such interests to keep ANY ferries also not their first one as a museum you really can´t expect them to make an exception for this rather un-important ship of the fleet.
I am not sure whether you understand, I think some here have tried to explain this to you, plus that BCF is not wasting their money for useless ferries but sometimes one could think that you are closing your eyes as soon someone says "Welcome to the reality".
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Post by Mike C on Feb 25, 2006 9:42:55 GMT -8
Maybe sell it on Harlow Marine or something? That way if anyone wants it they can have it. For a reasonable price.
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Post by Starbucks Queen on Feb 26, 2006 8:42:26 GMT -8
That´s what I think and what I belive would be the most logic thing - they´d have set it for sale and one who thinks could use it - buy it. Simple as it is. Will see who buys it, and in the end there´s always the scrapyard. Nothing special about it really, the usual procedure I dare to say.
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Post by Ferryman on Feb 26, 2006 12:09:52 GMT -8
Hey Fivetwo, is Art interested? ha ha ha
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Post by Doug on Feb 26, 2006 19:04:52 GMT -8
Maybe test a bomb on it; blow it out of the ocean, for better bomb-handling capabilities in ferries of the future.  |
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Post by Quinsam on Mar 9, 2006 18:04:25 GMT -8
That's not funny, although it would be a good Idea, but no, there has to be a way to keep this old reliable boat in service, if not in peace
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Post by Doug on Mar 9, 2006 18:46:27 GMT -8
The latest tag for Harry is now the broken record.
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Post by Quinsam on Mar 9, 2006 19:19:44 GMT -8
Wha, What did you say?
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Post by Doug on Mar 9, 2006 20:05:23 GMT -8
Well how many times has everyone said that the Mill Bay wouldn't be worth keeping for service? What are BC Ferries' plans for "keeping" the little piece of junk?
But most of all, you expect OTHER people to "keep it in service" only for the benefit of you. Not for income. They can lose income because it means something to you, for all you care.
"It uses less gas than the "V"s"...it only happens that the "V"s carry over 20 times as many cars as the Mill Bay, and actually make a profit on their onboard services and serve an ESSENTIAL route. Let me tell you something: BC Ferries is the second biggest ferry operator in the world, so what are the chances someone of their size and position will run the Mill Bay? Not a chance.
They are scrapping the Victoria and Sidney, two birth ships of the BC Ferries fleet, and you expect them to keep the smallest piece of junk in the entire fleet that has absolutely NO historical significance.
OOH it's the oldest one in the fleet! Langdale Queen was also the oldest in the fleet at one time and you didn't anyone sparing it, did you? And it held a lot more cars than 16.
The Mill Bay is practically useless, Harry, and you just have to admit it. It can't leave it's route because of sea conditions and the route is useless. No need to wipe off the superstructure because bigger barges are available now. The only place for the Mill Bay is the sea bed or the scrap yard, eventually.
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