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Post by hergfest on Sept 14, 2005 10:15:35 GMT -8
How about you tell us which boats are there, then we might be able to figure it out?
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 14, 2005 10:18:53 GMT -8
Nicola is 1 of those vessels....being chartered to a native company up at Prince Rupert (I learned that on this forum last week).
The Keats Island - Gambier Island pax-only ferry is likely the other. Brian Williams has pics of this ship on an earlier thred.
Or maybe it's referring to the 2 K-class ships that are used by Albion Ferries?
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Post by kylefossett on Sept 14, 2005 14:39:10 GMT -8
how about the one that goes across howe sound to woodfibre
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Post by Ferryman on Sept 14, 2005 14:47:44 GMT -8
The Garibaldi II is definitely one of them...the one in my signature....and the other must be the Nicola. I think the Gambier ferry is with the same company that runs out of Horseshoe Bay with the Water Taxis, because I've seen it down there before.
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Post by Dane on Sept 14, 2005 15:00:19 GMT -8
I would like to know - what 2 vessels - which they don't list - is been rented "Chartered" out to a "third" party. I have accounted for the 35 vessels and the routes they are on - so what are the 2 missing vessels and where are they. Nicola and QQII. We've talked about both on these forums before. |
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Post by Ferryman on Sept 14, 2005 15:08:48 GMT -8
If the Quadra Queen II isn't part of the fleet, but still with BC Ferries, then why did they put the BCF colour scheme on it along with a profile of it on their fleet page...
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Post by ferrytraveller on Sept 14, 2005 15:21:13 GMT -8
well bc ferries still runs the Port McNeill - Alert Bay - Sointula route does it not? so isn't that the run the qq2 is on?
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Post by Ferryman on Sept 14, 2005 15:23:18 GMT -8
Yeah, unless Dane just got the Quadra Queen II mixed up with the Garibaldi II. (Squamish-Woodfibre)
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Post by Dane on Sept 14, 2005 15:34:56 GMT -8
yeah i did... i was looking at the QQ2 when i posted that.
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Post by Dane on Sept 14, 2005 15:40:43 GMT -8
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Post by NMcKay on Sept 14, 2005 20:18:19 GMT -8
i think that the Garabaldi 2 might belong to the government still. like the MOTH
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Post by Dane on Sept 14, 2005 20:29:18 GMT -8
i think that the Garabaldi 2 might belong to the government still. like the MOTH It's a BC Ferry. |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Sept 15, 2005 7:54:14 GMT -8
re Nicola: see item #3 in this thread.
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Post by Dane on Sept 15, 2005 14:18:17 GMT -8
Sorry for been so bloody lazies - but I don't want to type in 35 names - as it is in a pdf - 78 page file - the accounts. The name missing from there list is Nicola - so where does - or did she run from? All the other names are on the BC Ferries list. We need one more. Are there only 3 vessels on the Northern Routes ?? Could be there? Garibaldi II isn't on the list you're referencing, either. |
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Post by Shane on Sept 17, 2005 6:19:46 GMT -8
Here is some info: Although Garibaldi II appeared on the BC Ferries fleet list between 1986 and the early-mid 1990's, from all the information I can gather, she was never directly operated by B.C. Ferries and has continued to be chartered for the Woodfibre run to the present. The ferry is still registered under B.C. Ferries ownership (2003), however she is operated by Harbour Ferries. The Nicola is still registered under B.C. Ferries ownership (2003), although she has been removed from the fleet list for some time. Last word was that she was operating under charter between Prince Rupert and Port Simpson. The Lax Kw'Alaams band, located in the Prince Rupert area, began chartering the ferry in 1997 for $1 a year. The benefit to B.C. Ferries was that they no longer had to subsidize the route and no longer had to pay for the ferry's maintenance. The Nicola has been renamed the The Spirit of Lax Kw'alaams by the Lax Kw'Alaams band. However, it is still registered as the Nicola on the Canadian Ship Registry.  |
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Post by Ferryman on Sept 17, 2005 8:50:36 GMT -8
My guess is the Spirits???
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Post by Ferryman on Sept 17, 2005 9:43:45 GMT -8
Well, they still say that's what they're going to do, but they haven't decided what company is going to run the Ferry. But the District of Squamish is still planning extending the Downtown part of Squamish by building on the old Interfor Mill site along with the old Nexan Chlorine Plant site. They still plan on putting in a ferry terminal of some sort for a passenger only vessel on the Chlorine Plant site. I've seen a drawing of the ferry terminal and really isn't anything more than a dock that has a few flower beds on it and a few street lamps to make it more of a place for couples to walk in the evening. So it's definitely a passenger ferry, not a vehicle ferry. I think a vehicle ferry would be better because they not doing a whole lot to the highway to make it anymore safer than it already is, because it's staying 2 lanes between Lions Bay and Furrey Creek. But when a crash happens on a two lane stretch, even if it only took up one lane, the whole highway is shut down. Anyways the Nexan site had also been closed to the public for a few years had it all fenced up because the land was contaminated with Mercury. But they seem to of opened it up now and you can go to our "beach". But they hope to have the new Downtown Squamish done by 2009 just in time for the Olympics of course.
The old Royal Hudson steam train might be ready to run again by then, and hopefully providing Service from Vancouver to Whistler maybe or even to Prince George. But the last I've heard about the progress on that project was that they have the train all ripped apart now, and should be ready to run either by next year or the year after-they haven't really given a specific date.
Another plan is to have tons of buses go up and down the highway every few minutes so everyone can get to the venues in Whistler. They would even plan have one way traffic with all of the lanes going one way to Whistler or Vancouver if they have to.
But this is all faily old news I think, but I'll be posting if I hear anymore about the ferry, but lately it has just been pretty quiet.
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Post by Scott on Sept 18, 2005 12:40:49 GMT -8
Cascade asked:
Can you work out which two "larger" vessel working under BC Ferries colours - but They DON'T own. BC Ferries have a lease agreement which has a few years to run - then the vessel revert back to the Province.
The Queen of Surrey and the Queen of Oak Bay aren't owned by BC Ferries. WHen does their lease run out? The QUeen of Surrey is owned by the Sun Life Assurance Company of Canada, based in Ontario.. and the Queen of Oak Bay is owned by Image Financial Services Inc., also based in Ontario.
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Post by kylefossett on Sept 18, 2005 15:57:23 GMT -8
Cascade asked: Can you work out which two "larger" vessel working under BC Ferries colours - but They DON'T own. BC Ferries have a lease agreement which has a few years to run - then the vessel revert back to the Province. The Queen of Surrey and the Queen of Oak Bay aren't owned by BC Ferries. WHen does their lease run out? The QUeen of Surrey is owned by the Sun Life Assurance Company of Canada, based in Ontario.. and the Queen of Oak Bay is owned by Image Financial Services Inc., also based in Ontario. this was a way for bc ferries to get some money in the early 80's. around when the v-class were being lifted and expansion at the terminals to allow double decked vessels |
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Post by Balfour on Sept 19, 2005 5:54:55 GMT -8
It will be interesting to see what happens when the leases run out...
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Post by Scott on Sept 19, 2005 8:40:48 GMT -8
I don't know how it works as BC Ferries has invested millions in giving them midlife refits. Who pays for that? Of course BC Ferries will still need them, unless they're going to keep some V-class ships. One of them will likely replace the New Westminster on the Duke Point route. I don't know if any C-class could go to the Swartz Bay route, but they'd be used as extra vessels on the Horseshoe Bay - Departure Bay route and the Langdale route. If they can't use the 5 C-class vessels on the Victoria run though, they're going to have a lot of extra vessels for the two Nanaino runs.
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Post by YZFNick on Sept 19, 2005 9:34:00 GMT -8
Those vessels have hydraulic internal ramps. If someone were to buy them and have to use the upper deck vehicle space when it's busy, the internal ramps can be used and vehicles can go to the upper deck.
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Post by YZFNick on Sept 19, 2005 10:41:05 GMT -8
My guess is that when the lease is up two things could happen. First is the lease is simply renewed, BCF pays for maintenance or things remain as normal. Second choice is BCF buys the ships from their owners. I'm sure they'd get a good deal.
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Post by Scott on Sept 19, 2005 11:56:55 GMT -8
I think the New Brunswick - PEI ferries used the double ramp system, but they don't have that service anymore. All the C-class ships were built on the coast, and Nick is right... some of them, if not all of them (except the Queen of Alberni) can load the upper deck from the lower deck. Takes a while, but it's possible. I don't know if anyone would want to operate them like that full time.
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Post by Quinsam on Sept 19, 2005 19:07:01 GMT -8
what ferries are on lease?
I know that the Garibaldi 2 and the Dogwood Princess are, but what others?
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