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Post by Political Incorrectness on Aug 27, 2005 13:06:05 GMT -8
OK NOW THE NEW WEST IS OUT FOR THE DAY THEY PUT THE VAN ON DUKE POINT RUN WHY NOT HAUL THE ESQUIMALT DOWN FROM LANGDALE RUN HER TO DEPARTURE BAY TRANSFER TO DUKE POINT!!!
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Post by Quinsam on Aug 27, 2005 13:08:01 GMT -8
You mean haul the Esquimalt to to the Swartz bay Tsawwassen run and the Vancouver do it?
Or the Esquimalt to Duke pt from Tsawwassen, and the Vancouver on her original route?
The Esquimalt is bigger than the Vancouver, and the Newwest, the Vancouver is even bigger than the Newwest, and some think that the Super V is Newwest?
I'd say the super V is Esquimalt.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Aug 27, 2005 13:09:00 GMT -8
esquimalt to duke point then cancel one run up to duke point
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Post by Doug on Aug 27, 2005 13:09:55 GMT -8
Does it not look like the Esquimalt is busy...? This was a good choice. If the New West is out the other route should share the ship...it took them six hours to figure that out last year, fortunately they did it sooner this time. Vancouver can run on BOTH routes....
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Post by Balfour on Aug 27, 2005 13:10:43 GMT -8
It's quite silly how they don't do that. THey really should run the Esquimalt on rte 30 right now, then we wouldn't have so many sailing waits.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Aug 27, 2005 13:11:11 GMT -8
ok then again the esquimalt shoud go frm lagndale to hsb hsb to dpb then transfer to duke point down to tsawwassen then over to swartz bay
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Post by Doug on Aug 27, 2005 13:11:31 GMT -8
It would waste two hours alone transfering it...so the people sitting at Tsawwassen wouldn't see that for more than four hours.
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Post by Quinsam on Aug 27, 2005 13:12:17 GMT -8
Route 1 has 1 sailing wait right now, then Route 3O is only 10% full right now.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Aug 27, 2005 13:13:20 GMT -8
to duke point? well to get it over to dpb it would take 3 1/2 hours and then to duke point so then incase if the new west is still out they can still run 4 vessels out of tsawwassen but come labour day weekend vessel arrrest it is going to be hell
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Post by Doug on Aug 27, 2005 13:14:57 GMT -8
Apparently the strike is unlikely...yes, people sitting at Tsawwassen wouldn't see the Esquimalt for AT LEAST four hours and it could be up to six. The Vancouver is right there.
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Post by YZFNick on Aug 27, 2005 13:23:58 GMT -8
It might have to do with staff training. Maybe the crew is trained for the Vancouver, but not the Esquimalt.
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Post by Balfour on Aug 27, 2005 13:35:38 GMT -8
I don't think so, The Esquimalt is almost identical to the Vancouver
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Post by Quinsam on Aug 27, 2005 13:38:09 GMT -8
where is she now then?
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Aug 27, 2005 13:38:53 GMT -8
langdale being lazy
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Post by Quinsam on Aug 27, 2005 13:56:49 GMT -8
I mean the New Westminster, the Esquimalt is working hard with the surrey.
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Post by Balfour on Aug 27, 2005 14:11:38 GMT -8
The New West is probably tied up at Tsawassen.
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Post by YZFNick on Aug 27, 2005 15:02:32 GMT -8
An engineer or two has come on here or the Yahoo board and explained that each of the V-classes is very different and you need familiarization with the equipment before you can run a vessel.
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Post by Dane on Aug 27, 2005 16:14:57 GMT -8
I have some ideas!
- Crews are qualified to sail certain routes
- Redploying the Esquimalt like that would take a long time
- Route 1 will be uber busy but it can handle it
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Post by Koastal Karl on Aug 27, 2005 16:23:40 GMT -8
Yes I think they should of moved the Esquimalt! She aint doing anything later this afternoon evening so why not use her or are BC Ferries to lazy! But then again who cares about Duke Point, route 1 is busier than Duke Point so if they have to have one vessel on Duke Point for a bit so be it! Take a ship off the busiest route, what are they thinking?
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Post by Dane on Aug 27, 2005 16:26:44 GMT -8
An engineer or two has come on here or the Yahoo board and explained that each of the V-classes is very different and you need familiarization with the equipment before you can run a vessel. That may be true but they don't require seperate courses for safety equipment. All the Vs, including the New West are somewhat interhchangable in terms of safety equipment. The New West is the mechanical oddball, though. The Vancouver, New Westminster, and Esquimalt (and for that matter Saanich, Burnaby, and Naniamo) are all the same size in length. Car capacity is determined by deck layout and whether articulated ramps have been installed or are being used. There is no sense in even trying to determine a "Super V", unless you're addressing horsepower. "Route 1 has 1 sailing wait right now, then Route 3O is only 10% full right now." If you checked that when you posted, you'd also notice that a Route 30 sailing would have just been leaving. "It's quite silly how they don't do that. THey really should run the Esquimalt on rte 30 right now, then we wouldn't have so many sailing waits." Basically this plan is impossible.... so it's not silly at all. Not too mention calling in a crew to the Esquimalt, sailing her empty to Duke Point, then sailing between Tsawwassen and Duke Point maybe twice then sailing back empty again would cost a fortune. Time and a half for 20+ crew, then dead heading for about 3 hours. It's not feasable, and the one sailing wait isn't even a huge wait anyways! You should also consider other things you may not have coming to mind. Right now there isn't even enough senior crew in Langadle to facilitate the Surrey and Esquimalt so they've had to bring people in from Vancouver and have them live in a hotel just to maintain the status quo, let alone extra runs. |
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Post by Ferryman on Aug 27, 2005 17:39:59 GMT -8
So if route 30 is only 10% full, then why would they put the Esquimalt on there when all of the traffic is trying go out of Departure Bay? There is a two sailing wait out of Departure Bay meaning it's sold out for the day now, and probably more cars sitting out down the road still. I know we've talked about putting a fourth vessel on that route wouldn't be very good for Horseshoe Bay with the 3 docks. But if the Esquimalt helped out for maybe one sailing from Nanaimo and then straight back to Langdale wouldn't be such a bad thing. Or they could do what they did last week, running until everyone has gotten across...just a suggestion..
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Post by Koastal Karl on Aug 27, 2005 18:10:15 GMT -8
So if it is only 10% full then why do they even need the Vancouver! Go down to one boat on Duke Point then and put the Vancouver back on route 1!
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Post by Ferryman on Aug 27, 2005 22:06:38 GMT -8
It looks like they're putting the Vancouver back on route 1 tomorrow and repositioning the Esquimalt in the Newwests place and then getting the Coquitlam to do the triangle route until the Newwest gets repaired which is until further notice.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Aug 27, 2005 22:10:51 GMT -8
if you got it off the yahoo forum that is not actually true
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Post by Ferryman on Aug 27, 2005 22:15:40 GMT -8
Yeah, I was just going to say nothing was said about that on the BCF site about that. Disregard my last post then.
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