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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jul 1, 2005 10:03:45 GMT -8
Karl there was a 4 sail wait new record!
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jul 1, 2005 10:15:06 GMT -8
Yeah I know there was. That is a record. The highest I have ever seen was a 3 sailing wait. I had to sit through one last summer coming back to Victoria!
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Post by Smack on Jul 1, 2005 10:33:44 GMT -8
Did anyone see CH News Final last night? They had actualy had video of the 1970 accident involving the Queen of Victoria and the Russian Freighter. And this wasn't post-accident video, this was actual video of the crash.
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jul 1, 2005 10:56:13 GMT -8
They have added an 11pm Swartz Bay to Tsawwassen departure on July 3rd which is Sunday with the SOVI!
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Post by hergfest on Jul 1, 2005 11:11:43 GMT -8
Stapelton doesn't have any pics of her in the Dry Dock, only at Horseshoe Bay.
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Post by Curtis on Jul 1, 2005 12:31:03 GMT -8
Okay heres something new im going to reenact the Oak Bay accident in lego it's nothing too fancy shmansy it's going to be four ways this accident could of happened or be stopped one of these is just the typical going in and out
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Post by Alton on Jul 1, 2005 14:20:14 GMT -8
Does anyone have these videos on their computer or what not that they could send me? (the beach video, 1970 QofV accident, etc)
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Post by NMcKay on Jul 1, 2005 15:04:39 GMT -8
no. but ive called cha and the vancouver archives, they are gonna send me a copy of the videos on VHS
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jul 1, 2005 15:28:00 GMT -8
This story is all over the front pages and there is whole section on this in todays edition of the Times Colonist!
Hey Harbourlynx Kid, was there increased traffic yesterday on the Harbourlynx?? I know the Harbourlynx was mentioned!
Also the SOBC lost one engine yesterday on route to Tsawwassen according to the newspaper but I could be wrong seeing how the media almost always screws things up.
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jul 1, 2005 16:11:02 GMT -8
That was so funny! I cant believe David Hahn dident even know how old the Oaky was and we she was built! I bet if we quized him on the ferries age and when they were built I wonder how good he would do!
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Post by Curtis on Jul 1, 2005 18:56:13 GMT -8
Yeah I thought that was funny
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Post by Curtis on Jul 1, 2005 19:38:03 GMT -8
Heres the 3 ways this accident could of occurred in lego including the typical way of coming in ca.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/prqueenkid16/album?.dir=/6ee0&urlhint=actn,ren%3as,94%3af,0 Also I have videos taken from the TV and theres one of the Oaky collision with the marina and boats in lego (no sound in any of them) I can possably send to people by email
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jul 1, 2005 19:48:24 GMT -8
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Post by BrianWilliams on Jul 1, 2005 20:06:00 GMT -8
Strong Skiier made this point, as did some others.
IF the skipper had any control over Oak Bay's heading in those few moments, I believe he made the right choice.
Heading into the steel pylons of the HB terminal at an oblique angle would have created a horrific collision. Vehicles on the car decks would have crashed forward, as in a massive highway pileup. All those cars were occupied by that time. The injuries are too frightful to imagine; and if a fire started down there...
The shelving gravel under Sewell's Marina offered the only hope for a gradual stop. The horrible risk was that some people may be trapped in boats at the marina.
Oak Bay did what she could, sounding her horn, and (according to one CBC report) a crewman with a loud hailer called down to Sewell's, saying simply "Run! Run fast! Get off the dock!"
Property damage surely wasn't part of the skipper's decision. Preserving lives was.
I don't know how much control was available in those few minutes. The phrase "loss of power" is used in news reports. Loss of what power?
Steering gear gone? Or, more likely, loss of engine-to-prop response when they shifted to reverse pitch to slow the boat. We'll know more in few days.
Oak Bay may have had a bit of steerageway when all h*ll broke loose. If so, the skipper is a hero, who made a tough choice in seconds.
This is a dramatic story, with a very happy ending. No deaths, no injuries.
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Post by Ferryman on Jul 1, 2005 20:10:01 GMT -8
Those are some pretty cool ways of showing what could of happened with Lego. I don't know if the anchor could of stopped her that fast and easily, there's sand on the botttom, not hard jagged rocks...I think. 4 other ways it could of happened, hitting the breakwater on the other marina, hitting the old government warf, head on with the first bumper in between berth one and 2 like how the Coquitlam did in 92, and hitting the rock wall on the other side of the Langdale berth. As to the photos in the newspaper, there are some good pictures looking down at Oak Bay but were probably the same ones taken on tv. There is also a good on on page A7 in the Province Newspaper with the Oak Bay in the Marina, Cowichan in berth 2, and Surrey in berth 3. Not that I'm ammused with the pictures of Oak Bay stuck in the Marina, but just how the Cowichan and Surrey are just docked there. The first time I saw it today, I thought it was a photoshopped picture of where the Oak Bay was supposed to be until I looked closer.
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Post by Ferryman on Jul 1, 2005 20:26:09 GMT -8
Strong Skiier made this point, as did some others. IF the skipper had any control over Oak Bay's heading in those few moments, I believe he made the right choice. Heading into the steel pylons of the HB terminal at an oblique angle would have created a horrific collision. Vehicles on the car decks would have crashed forward, as in a massive highway pileup. All those cars were occupied by that time. The injuries are too frightful to imagine; and if a fire started down there... The shelving gravel under Sewell's Marina offered the only hope for a gradual stop. The horrible risk was that some people may be trapped in boats at the marina. Oak Bay did what she could, sounding her horn, and (according to one CBC report) a crewman with a loud hailer called down to Sewell's, saying simply "Run! Run fast! Get off the dock!" Property damage surely wasn't part of the skipper's decision. Preserving lives was. I don't know how much control was available in those few minutes. The phrase "loss of power" is used in news reports. Loss of what power? Steering gear gone? Or, more likely, loss of engine-to-prop response when they shifted to reverse pitch to slow the boat. We'll know more in few days. Oak Bay may have had a bit of steerageway when all h*ll broke loose. If so, the skipper is a hero, who made a tough choice in seconds. This is a dramatic story, with a very happy ending. No deaths, no injuries. Yes true, a dramatic story with a happy ending. I'm suprised with the amount of damage that was even done, a scrape on one blade of the propellar and some scrapes on the rudder and hull. But nothing to be too concerned about. They won't let her back in the water until they know for sure that everything is ok again. In a story in the Province Newspaper, they interviewed the guy who painted her hull in the refit and jokingly said " They wrecked my paintjob" but then he said he was just glad everyone was ok. But apparently they're gonna try and have her on Sea trials mid next week or so according to the BCF site which is good! www.bcferries.com/news/files/05-052prelimiaryinspectionqueenofoakbay.pdf
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Post by NMcKay on Jul 1, 2005 20:47:43 GMT -8
yeah. dad said something about it not going into mode 2, but i want to know why he didn;t jam the rear prop into reverse. that would've helped. but i think he did the right thing.
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Post by Ferryman on Jul 1, 2005 21:03:38 GMT -8
Does anyone know if the C-Class throttle is Air Compressed or Electric? When I sit under the bridge thats pointing out of the dock, and then we start to go and I hear a 'PSSHT' making me think it's air compressed. Can anyone confirm that? Because if it's aircompressed, wouldn't that mean a leak in the air line? With the Oak Bay incedent yesterday that is. But then if it's clutch problems, why would it just automatically shut all of the engines down? Would that mean the throttle is electric and it short circuited? So many questions...
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Post by YO on Jul 1, 2005 21:16:51 GMT -8
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Post by Balfour on Jul 1, 2005 22:36:08 GMT -8
QUIT SPAMMING!
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Koastal Karl
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Been on every BC Ferry now!!!!!
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jul 1, 2005 23:24:00 GMT -8
yeah no kidding! Quit it!
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Post by NMcKay on Jul 1, 2005 23:51:48 GMT -8
Its funny. the oak bay will be back in service in one week said david hahn. so i guess i was right. she was going slow enough, and the much in horseshoe bay helped
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Post by nosepoint on Jul 2, 2005 6:25:31 GMT -8
I've seen this story on both Boston & New York local news. (travelling right now) Both had the home video footage.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jul 2, 2005 7:35:21 GMT -8
there was minor hull damage and a propeller blade that needed to be replaced so 1 week is good time
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