Koastal Karl
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jun 30, 2005 21:29:23 GMT -8
Looks like the Queen of Esquimalt is doing the Langdale and Departure Bay route tommorrow with extra sailings!
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Post by Ferryman on Jun 30, 2005 21:32:27 GMT -8
On the BCF site they're gonna have the Esquimalt run from Langdale-HSB, then HSB-DPB then doing that a few times this weekend to help out with the conjestion of the traffic with the Canada Day Celebrations.
It was weird I even just happened to look on the BCF site to watch Oak Bay leave on the 8:30 sailing .
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Post by Ferryman on Jun 30, 2005 21:32:52 GMT -8
Oh, woops you said it before I did. Oh well.
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Post by Balfour on Jun 30, 2005 21:33:29 GMT -8
There are midnight sailings scheduled from either side of route 1.
Yeah, I was down at Ambleside with 2 of my step-siblings when they were towing the Oaky under the Lions Gate Bridge.
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jun 30, 2005 21:43:02 GMT -8
I would of though the Queen of Vancouver would of cleared out the rest of the Swartz Bay traffic. The midnight sailing from Swartz Bay is going to be empty as there is no one in line!
Were they holding Swartz Bay traffic in the Duke Point holding area at Tsawwassen cause there was like two lanes of cars there and now after the 10pm is gone they are gone!
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Post by Ferryman on Jun 30, 2005 21:43:42 GMT -8
That must of been cool to see, I wonder if that Kevin Stapleton guy will take pics of her in the Drydock of all the damage that was done. I curious if the propellars broke too.
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Post by Balfour on Jun 30, 2005 21:55:47 GMT -8
They probably were, I noticed a slight dent in the end that ran aground when I watched her go under the Lions Gate Bridge.
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Post by Balfour on Jun 30, 2005 22:18:37 GMT -8
Who here thinks that the captain of the Oaky made a good move by aiming for the Marina rather than smashing into the dock?
I think its better to have small boats damaged than to have smacked into the terminal, and injured passengers onboard, and have millions of dollars in Damage.
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Post by nolonger on Jun 30, 2005 22:25:32 GMT -8
I bet the crew is happ for the overtime pay now after all of that.[/quote Oh yea. They'd be extatic! Your an idiot Chris! |
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Post by Ferryman on Jun 30, 2005 22:27:51 GMT -8
It was a good choice, if he had hit the dock there would of been injuries or even deaths maybe as people would of been walking down the stairs too at that time IF they did not hear the announcements to embrace for the crash. The Captain also saved the ferry, well we'll see how bad off her hull is. But if he had hit the dock, service would of been disrupted even more because there would only be 2 berths to use maybe all of the summer. But seeming it was just the marina, it might take a few weeks to get it back together, if that. ....I doubt we're gonna be parking our boat down there now...haha
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Post by Ferryman on Jun 30, 2005 22:32:51 GMT -8
I bet the crew is happ for the overtime pay now after all of that.[/quote Oh yea. They'd be extatic! Your an idiot Chris! I didn't actually mean that, I was being sarcastic. I know that did not happen at all. I'm sorry that I offended you  It wasn't intended to. |
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Post by Balfour on Jun 30, 2005 22:35:53 GMT -8
The 12AM Sailing from Tsawassen is full and there is a 1 sailing wait. I wonder if they'll add a 2 AM sailing.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jun 30, 2005 22:37:07 GMT -8
I think this accident illustrates that even though there are many ferry crossings each day, the job is not "routine". There is skill & precision required, and sometimes you have 3 minutes to make a million-dollar-decision, or a multi-life decision......and you don't get any warning as to which day this event is going to happen on.
I think we are lulled into thinking that ferry travel is expected to be safe, reliable & uneventful. Hey, I thought my biggest crisis was a sailing-wait at Crofton yesterday.
I guess the reality is that nothing is taken for granted, that there's lots of technology & skill that goes into every sailing, every day. Just like the occasional space-shuttle disaster (about one, every 17 years) reminds us that space travel is still dangerous, this Oaky incident reminds us that it's pretty powerful to have an Oaky-sized ship sail into a tight cove.
Notmuchlonger, you guys are amazing. Does this type of incident result in employees taking stress-leave, because of the trauma re a workplace accident? I'd be shaken, and afraid of returning to work.....I wonder if that's true for any of the workers?
I'll finish with some sarcasm, that regular readers might appreciate: I guess that this accident would never have happened if all ferries were built like the Mill-Bay. Maybe they should use the Quinsam to pick up the extra traffic on the HSB-DB route. (end sarcasm).
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Post by Balfour on Jun 30, 2005 22:42:11 GMT -8
holey crabapple, I wonder if I was there I would get somethng to drink for free, a bottle of juice, something cool. Kool Aid. This is the first time I have heard of grounding at HSB Terminal. According to some of the people on board, they were giving out free pop, drinks, and food during this whole event today |
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Post by Mac Write on Jun 30, 2005 22:42:27 GMT -8
Well the TSA-Swartz 12AM sailing is full and there's a one sailing wait. At least they only have to wait 7 hours until the next sailing.
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Post by NMcKay on Jun 30, 2005 23:08:13 GMT -8
the area around HSB is all Granit, but years of work has made the bottom of HSB mostly sand. so im guessing maybe 45,000$ damage @ most. She will be back by the end of next week
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Post by hergfest on Jul 1, 2005 0:15:01 GMT -8
Speculation is that one of the clutches failed again. The head of the BC Ferries Union is making the accusations right now, they even reported that on the Seattle TV stations. It has been "a trouble spot on these ferries".
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Post by Doug on Jul 1, 2005 1:22:30 GMT -8
Chris, your dream has come true. Kevin Stapleton has gotten pictures of the Oak Bay while grounded...I'll give you the privilege though because I know how much you like to show them off. ;D
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Post by nolonger on Jul 1, 2005 5:43:22 GMT -8
I think this accident illustrates that even though there are many ferry crossings each day, the job is not "routine". There is skill & precision required, and sometimes you have 3 minutes to make a million-dollar-decision, or a multi-life decision......and you don't get any warning as to which day this event is going to happen on. I think we are lulled into thinking that ferry travel is expected to be safe, reliable & uneventful. Hey, I thought my biggest crisis was a sailing-wait at Crofton yesterday. I guess the reality is that nothing is taken for granted, that there's lots of technology & skill that goes into every sailing, every day. Just like the occasional space-shuttle disaster (about one, every 17 years) reminds us that space travel is still dangerous, this Oaky incident reminds us that it's pretty powerful to have an Oaky-sized ship sail into a tight cove. Notmuchlonger, you guys are amazing. Does this type of incident result in employees taking stress-leave, because of the trauma re a workplace accident? I'd be shaken, and afraid of returning to work.....I wonder if that's true for any of the workers? I'll finish with some sarcasm, that regular readers might appreciate: I guess that this accident would never have happened if all ferries were built like the Mill-Bay. Maybe they should use the Quinsam to pick up the extra traffic on the HSB-DB route. (end sarcasm). yes Flugelhorn some, if not all crew members will be feeling the strain and stress as an aftermath to what they went through yesterday. Often, people involved in incidents will run on adrenaline through the course of the day, and crash and burn hours later. Most of the key personnel will be off today as they will be involved in more than just BCFS investigation. That crew was scheduled to work 1 more morning shift ( today ) and then 5 afternoon shifts Saturday to Wednesday. Not so critical and stressful due to the lack of injuries, but still a very long and extremely stressful day they had. |
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Post by nolonger on Jul 1, 2005 5:46:25 GMT -8
the area around HSB is all Granit, but years of work has made the bottom of HSB mostly sand. so im guessing maybe 45,000$ damage @ most. She will be back by the end of next week $45,000?? lol. That might pay for the tugs and the drydock for a day. And ccp prop blades are on sale at Canadian Tire this week for $19.95. |
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Post by Ferryman on Jul 1, 2005 7:17:58 GMT -8
Chris, your dream has come true. Kevin Stapleton has gotten pictures of the Oak Bay while grounded...I'll give you the privilege though because I know how much you like to show them off. ;D Hahaha ;D thanx Doug, you didn't have to let me show them off but I will anyway. Here are some pictures of yesterday if you didn't already notice: www.pbase.com/kstapleton/queen_of_oak_bay..near the bottom of the page that is |
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Post by Ferryman on Jul 1, 2005 8:05:34 GMT -8
Thinking about this now, what if this were one of the Super C's. Oak Bay has a rudder and the captain was able to steer it to where it ended up with the steering wheel and rudder, and not the autopilot. If this were one of the Super C's, would the captain have been able to steer it there with the AZ pods? This is assuming the same sort of situation with power failure. I don't think the AZ pods would steer as well as a rudder would without power for this type of situation. What are all of your views?
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jul 1, 2005 9:08:52 GMT -8
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jul 1, 2005 9:20:05 GMT -8
ok someone is really messed up as the current conditions say a 4 sailing wait Tsawwassen to the Gulf Islands!
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Post by Curtis on Jul 1, 2005 9:23:04 GMT -8
Thinking about this now, what if this were one of the Super C's. Oak Bay has a rudder and the captain was able to steer it to where it ended up with the steering wheel and rudder, and not the autopilot. If this were one of the Super C's, would the captain have been able to steer it there with the AZ pods? This is assuming the same sort of situation with power failure. I don't think the AZ pods would steer as well as a rudder would without power for this type of situation. What are all of your views? Probably... Crashes into the dock disrupts ferry traffic for the whole summer and doesn't get fixed till after labour day |
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