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Post by hergfest on Jan 3, 2007 23:40:49 GMT -8
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Post by EGfleet on Jan 4, 2007 7:07:56 GMT -8
I'm just wondering when they're going to get the Chelan in the yard? Ugh...I'm afraid to look at it when it comes back...
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Post by hergfest on Jan 4, 2007 9:29:54 GMT -8
Probably when the Cathlamet and Kittitas are done in the yard and the Kitsap comes back to Bremerton.
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Post by zman on Jan 4, 2007 10:21:00 GMT -8
Hopefully, the Walla Walla will come back to bremerton...I love having two larger boats. The Issaquah's get pretty crowded during rush hour.
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Post by EGfleet on Jan 4, 2007 10:25:33 GMT -8
Hopefully, the Walla Walla will come back to bremerton...I love having two larger boats. The Issaquah's get pretty crowded during rush hour. You've got that right...I spent more than one crossing shivering on the shelter deck of the Kitsap because there was no where to sit on the inside on the 6:25 out of Bremerton.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jan 4, 2007 13:40:16 GMT -8
We need either two super boats or two supers and one jumbo. I like the super class and our run seems to be abused with small vessels. My question is why not take away some of the late night saillings and not put them on Friday and weekends? Is ridership very low on these deadheads?
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Post by zman on Jan 4, 2007 14:37:59 GMT -8
I just read the entire press report, and it does say that the Chelan will indeed be here for the Hyak.
The Hyak is not the most appealing of vessels, but at least there are more seats than the Issaquah's.
During the peak trips at Bremerton, there are usually between 15 and 30 vehicles left over even with the supers.
The other thing, which I do understand, is that the San Juans need the capacity, because it is the only way to get to the islands with a vehicle, and the residents do not like having their boats fill up.
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 4, 2007 22:25:38 GMT -8
We need either two super boats or two supers and one jumbo. I like the super class and our run seems to be abused with small vessels. My question is why not take away some of the late night saillings and not put them on Friday and weekends? Is ridership very low on these deadheads? Because service is scheduled roughly in eight-hour blocks, that's why. We got rules against abusin' the working man in this country, sport... Also, because sailings are still more frequent than up in the San Juans, you are able to get away with slightly smaller vessels. (An Issaquah-130 can just about compete with a Super for vehicle capacity, BTW.) We need two Supers at a minimum for the tall capacity when sailings are an average of 2 1/2 hours apart. And Bremerton will never have three vessels of that capacity. You don't have the traffic and Bainbridge will get it first.
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Post by SS San Mateo on Jan 5, 2007 12:17:01 GMT -8
Either that press release is wrong or this service bulletin is wrong:
"The 124-vehicle Chelan will replace the 144-vehicle Kaleetan on Sunday Jan. 7, 2007, while the Kaleetan moves up to the Anacortes/San Juan Island route during a maintenance phase."
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Post by zman on Jan 5, 2007 12:30:57 GMT -8
That is really wierd. It would make sense though, considering that the Kaleetan has been more of an island boat than they Hyak.
It also would fit because Bremerton always seems to get the boats that are ugly inside...although, the Chelan is really nice.
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Post by Political Incorrectness on Jan 5, 2007 15:18:56 GMT -8
Again, it is abusive of the Bremerton run. We always get the nasty looking boats. They just had to take the Kaleetan, now we're stuck with the Hyak, AGAIN!
Seriously, is it just that Bremerton with the new look to downtown still is given a dirty face or is it just me?
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 5, 2007 20:47:21 GMT -8
There was a change of plans, and the Kaleetan will be coming home to the islands for a bit.
As for the Hyak, well... gee, P-I, that boat was spotless when we sent it home from the San Juans at the end of summer. What have you and your fellow commuters been doing to it?
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Post by EGfleet on Jan 5, 2007 20:49:52 GMT -8
Again, it is abusive of the Bremerton run. We always get the nasty looking boats. They just had to take the Kaleetan, now we're stuck with the Hyak, AGAIN! Seriously, is it just that Bremerton with the new look to downtown still is given a dirty face or is it just me? Well, I hate to say it, but having been a Bremerton commuter for several years I was absolutely appalled at how commuters treated those boats. They trashed them. And we're not talking just the errant newspapers here and there, we're talking spills, make-up, nail polish, dirty food containers...Bremerton was the only place where I saw slashed bench seats, and deliberate destruction to the bathrooms--and I don't mean graffiti, we get that in the Islands too--I'm talking things pulled off the walls, stall doors damaged and toilet seats ripped off. Statistically I do believe that the lion's share of passenger related damage happens on the Bremerton boats, so I can understand WSF's reluctance to place the alleged "better" boats elsewhere. In this instance though, it has to do with the maintenance cycles and it was easier to send the Kaleetan up than the Hyak. And speaking of the Hyak, she was up here all summer. Frankly, commuting on the run I was always happy to see the Hyak no matter how she looked--she's big and roomy and we weren't all squeezed into an Issaquah. As much as I enjoyed the Kitsap I hated seeing her coming because it was always a mad run to get a seat. Pity the Hyak is the last boat in the fleet not to have had her interior redone...and won't from what I understand, but, also as being a ferry I remember quite vividly from when I was a kid I have to say that in an odd way I kind of like that ugly old interior. I just wish they hadn't taken all the photographs down.
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 5, 2007 20:54:51 GMT -8
Agreed... I miss the historic photos, and I'm really not too fond of the gray walls (I've talked to the chief engineer about it, and that may be an inexpensive way to improve her appearance). I don't know what the forum definition of "redone" interiors are, but at least they're doing some maintenance on her. Much of the upholstery is now the same color, the floors, ceilings, and light fixtures have all been replaced (except that one small section of green tile on the #2 end). True, it's still the funky colors from 1967... but I'll miss the "native" artwork litho'd onto the formica if/when it finally goes.
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Post by EGfleet on Jan 5, 2007 21:00:17 GMT -8
Agreed... I miss the historic photos, and I'm really not too fond of the gray walls (I've talked to the chief engineer about it, and that may be an inexpensive way to improve her appearance). I don't know what the forum definition of "redone" interiors are, but at least they're doing some maintenance on her. Much of the upholstery is now the same color, the floors, ceilings, and light fixtures have all been replaced (except that one small section of green tile on the #2 end). True, it's still the funky colors from 1967... but I'll miss the "native" artwork litho'd onto the formica if/when it finally goes. For the sake of arguement, we'll say "redone" means gutted and everything old ripped out and new put in. ;D I have to admit the upholstery being one color is helpful....even if it is vintage 1967. Groovy, man...
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Post by SS San Mateo on Jan 5, 2007 22:47:02 GMT -8
Again, it is abusive of the Bremerton run. We always get the nasty looking boats. They just had to take the Kaleetan, now we're stuck with the Hyak, AGAIN! Seriously, is it just that Bremerton with the new look to downtown still is given a dirty face or is it just me? It could be worse. Could've ended up with the Evergreen State instead of the Chelan and end up with passengers getting left behind due to the lower passenger capacity.
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Post by northwesterner on Jan 5, 2007 23:30:06 GMT -8
Agreed... I miss the historic photos, and I'm really not too fond of the gray walls (I've talked to the chief engineer about it, and that may be an inexpensive way to improve her appearance). I'll miss the "native" artwork litho'd onto the formica if/when it finally goes. I don't understand the griping about the interior on this boat. Yes, it looks old. But its updated. It isn't trashed and worn out like the Sealth. It may be a bit unsightly, but to me, when I ride on the Hyak, it looks like what a Super Class should look like inside, especially with the formica artwork on the tables (which was a feature that should have been preserved on the Kaleetan/Yakima during their rebuilds). Besides - I'd rather have the Kaleetan up in the islands. That is her long time home. Yakima and Hyak have always been a bit more vagabond... I still have a hard time seeing Yakima sailing through the islands - just seems a bit weird for this kid who grew up riding the Kaleetan in the islands and the Yak/Hyak on Edmonds-Kingston.
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Post by EGfleet on Jan 6, 2007 7:28:10 GMT -8
Er...like the Sealth *used* to look; she's been redone. In fact I thought I'd posted a photo on here, but I'll do so again...courtesy of Barnacle... and for the record I don't dislike the Hyak's interior...I am disappointed that they did remove the only element of any kind of decoration from the boat--the photos. I have a soft spot a mile wide for the Hyak...I rode that boat many, many times as a kid. It's just too bad she always seems to be getting the fuzzy end of the lollipop when it comes to work getting done on her.
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Post by northwesterner on Jan 6, 2007 11:15:45 GMT -8
Er...like the Sealth *used* to look; she's been redone. In fact I thought I'd posted a photo on here, but I'll do so again...courtesy of Barnacle... Yeah... I should have added a "was."
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Post by EGfleet on Jan 6, 2007 11:50:43 GMT -8
Er...like the Sealth *used* to look; she's been redone. In fact I thought I'd posted a photo on here, but I'll do so again...courtesy of Barnacle... Yeah... I should have added a "was." And there is no doubt...she was the worst in the fleet, hands down. It's nice to see her with a new interior. The Sealth has never been a bad boat, but it was hard to get over the impression one got after seeing that old interior...Blech.
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Post by zman on Jan 6, 2007 12:23:50 GMT -8
It is crazy to see the Sealth now...I can never forget those old colors though. The new colors make me dizzy just looking at the picture...geeze
As for the 'art' on the Hyak, again, I HATE the fact that all of the historic stuff is gone. All that she has are the repetitive indian art thingies all over the place. There are two designs, and they are on the tops of tables and in the CD/main cabin stairwells. The Kaleetan is awesome because of the historical photos.
Maybe WSF keeps the Hyak at Bremerton because there are less things that can be vandalized. If there were drug tests to board, at least 1/2 of the weekend crowd would be banned from boarding. ;D
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Post by zman on Jan 7, 2007 14:52:46 GMT -8
The swap has been made Chelan and Hyak are running buddies now. The Chelan has the #1 spot... WSF still has the "Kaleetan elevator broken" notice on the Bremerton schedule.
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 7, 2007 15:29:08 GMT -8
Shoot. I completely forgot to check it. We were so busy trying to clean the Bremerton influence off the boat that it completely slipped my mind. At least I got the blood off the walls...
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Post by SS San Mateo on Jan 7, 2007 15:57:57 GMT -8
Shoot. I completely forgot to check it. We were so busy trying to clean the Bremerton influence off the boat that it completely slipped my mind. At least I got the blood off the walls... There was blood on the walls?!?!?!? Was there anything else on the walls?
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Post by zman on Jan 7, 2007 16:03:24 GMT -8
I dont think that the Bremerton influence can ever be cleaned off the boat...It is EVERYWHERE!!!!! Just look at how trashed the seats are (you gotta love the off-colored replacement bench seats). Oh yea...I dug up some old pics of the Sealth: Does anybody know if WSF fixed this wording problem on the car deck??
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