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Post by Emory Lindgard on May 15, 2007 20:53:53 GMT -8
Reply to Barnacle on the question:
Is Martin Orr related to Rick Orr?
I do not know, but may have the answer in a week.
I will consult a book on South Whidbey History that has the Family Orr name in one of it's chapters. I usually gives the current family members that are still alive. However this yellow covered book is probably several years old and may not be up to date.
The other source will by Nick Herbert who was a under study of Captain Orr in the early 50s. Nick was a Ferry Boat captain on the Mukiteo / Columbia beach run when it was under the Black Ball flag. He learned the ropes from Martin. I will probably talk to him at the CMA's Soup Kitchen in Langley either this Thursday or next Tuesday. Nick also knew Billy Fitro. The both join the Black Ball the same day after serving in the Navy during WWII.
My other source is Bill Bailey in Seattle who knew Capt Martin Orr and the terrible day he had back in July 4th of 1961. This was on the MV Nisqually when it rammed the Edmonds Ferry Dock.
Stay tune , I will have an answer.
Emory
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Post by Political Incorrectness on May 15, 2007 21:18:25 GMT -8
Hey emory, since you have been a frequent guest poster, how bout you introduce yourself here and perhaps you may want to become a member. Your contributions are always appreciated.
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Post by Emory Lindgard on May 16, 2007 7:35:42 GMT -8
Reply on New Member : To the Senior Captain.
Not sure how to post this on New Members board. Did not see a reply button at the top.
Here is a little history about myself.
Bill Bailey and Bob Bailey live a couple of houses down from where I grew up in North Seattle. They both worked on WSF. Bill Bailey is in his seventies and I sort of pass on his stories what he tells me.
Bill retired from the WSF system and I always enjoyed his stories about his adventures. Every time I go to Seattle we have lunch together.So that the start of my love of the ferries.
Second, I moved to Whidbey on 2000 and worked at Verizon in Everett and got to know a lot friends on the Ferry while doing the commute. When the Evergreen State showed up one day I really appreciated the different kinds Ferries. I retired from GTE / Verizon after 33 years.
Third, I have been sending pictures to Evergreenfleet.com to Steve Pickens and I enjoy his Day Room. I have a picture taken of old wooden pilot house of the Illahee that was made into a cabin, that is out by Bush Point, that I sent to Steve.
Last, I met Nick Hebert at the Soup Kitchen, at the CMA Church in Langley. Nick was a Black Ball Captain between 1950 and 1952. Between him and Bill Bailey it is amazing what the two know about the older Ferries ( The forgotten Fleet ).
Emory
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Post by SS San Mateo on May 16, 2007 7:45:31 GMT -8
Not sure how to post this on New Members board. Did not see a reply button at the top. It appears that only registered users can post in that particular topic.
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Post by Emory Lindgard on May 18, 2007 16:35:53 GMT -8
Reply to Barnacle: Is Rick Orr related to Capt. Martin Orr?I talked to both Nick Hebert in Langley and Bill Bailey in Seattle. The both don't think so. It would have to be some one that they don't know about. Martin Orr is actually a Uncle to Nick Hebert through marriage, so he had the most information. He said Martin Orr had two sons. Steve and Jon Orr. Bill Bailey knew about the son Steve who he said played on the UW Football team under Coach Jim Owens in the mid 50s. Both Nick and Bill said Steve maybe a Captain for Washington State Ferries or at least in the Maritime business. It was surprising to learn the Bill Bailey's Uncle on his mother side of the family was also a Captain with Washington State Ferries. His name is John Penny. He may had been involved with the M/V Nisqually collision with the the Chinese Freighter on July 27,1963. I did look it up on Historylink.org and found there was another Captain Ted Boyles who both Seattle newpapers interview. So it sounds like it was not Bill's Uncle. See History Link below www.historylink.org/essays/output.cfm?file_id=3048Makes me wonder how many accidents the M/V Nisqually had when she was active. Bill mentioned that when they did Hard Right Rudder on the Nisqually she would sometimes get out of control. Anyway I hope I answer your question....Emory
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Post by Low Light Mike on May 18, 2007 16:53:48 GMT -8
Off topic, but I'm wondering if "Bill Bailey" knows or likes the song written about his namesake? I played that song (" Won't you come home, Bill Bailey") many times in Dixie-band.....
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Post by Northern Exploration on May 18, 2007 18:03:55 GMT -8
Is Bill Bailey related to Nat Bailey of White Spot? hehe. Ignore me its Friday nite lol.
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Post by Emory Lindgard on May 18, 2007 19:30:18 GMT -8
On the song and common name.
I probably should not say a thing, but it interesting when growing up in the neighborhood I think all the kids tease his family name.
You see, Bill Bailey is a Jr. and His father was William Bailey Sr. His father by the way worked for the Port of Seattle and knew all of Puget Sound Pilot Captains. He was the scheduler for ships coming into Puget Sound and departing.. This subject could lead to a latest book by Ann Rule about Rolf Neslund who was best friends of the Baileys. So I better not touch that subject with a 10 foot pole!
Emory
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Post by Emory Lindgard on May 19, 2007 15:49:16 GMT -8
Well, my friend Bill Bailey in Seattle just sent me a book today. I guess his ears probaby have been ringing with me using his name often at this web page. The book is" Pacific Steam Boat by Gordon Newell & Joe Williamson. So I guess I better take him out to dinner. I always wanted the picture of Jo Williamson wearing the Life Jacket that use to be on the Ferries to instruct the public on how to put one on. To Frugal Horn....My dad played in Dance band in the 30s. Played in a band on President Madison to the Orient back in 1937. I remember going to the Shakey's in Lake City when they had a Dixie Band playing in the warehouse that they used for a Pizza Joint. Probably the very First Shakeys Pizza in Seattle. PS In any case anyone is trying to figure out who Rolf Neslund is here is History Link to refresh your memory. A real sad story..... www.historylink.org/essays/output.cfm?file_id=2421Emory
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Post by Low Light Mike on May 19, 2007 15:54:37 GMT -8
Oh, to be in a floating dance-hall in the golden age of swing....that would be something grand. I checked out the Rolf reference....thanks for the education on that one.
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Post by Northern Exploration on May 19, 2007 15:56:20 GMT -8
Shakeys!!! When I was a kid we used to drive from Vancouver to Seattle on the weekends and Shakeys was lunch and Ivars was dinner. Forgot all about that. I used to stand at the glass window and watch the guys throw the pizza dough. Great pizza too. Does Shakeys still exist? Can't remember the name but a few years back there was a place just like it Newport Oregon.
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Post by Barnacle on May 19, 2007 19:08:07 GMT -8
I do believe Shakey's went under several years ago with the proliferation of Domino's and their ilk, despite the fact that Domino's is lousy pizza.
Rolf Neslund achieved in thirty second what the Seattle City Council couldn't do in twenty years. He's still a folk hero in West Seattle.
And, for the south-of-the-border locals... no longer the slave of ambition, I laugh at the world and its shams; and think of my happy condition, surrounded by acres of clams!
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Post by EGfleet on May 19, 2007 19:19:35 GMT -8
Rolf Neslund achieved in thirty second what the Seattle City Council couldn't do in twenty years. He's still a folk hero in West Seattle. Probably what it'll take them to do something about the viaduct as well, though it'll be harder to get a freighter up to the viaduct...then again, if they don't replace the seawall soon, maybe not.
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Post by old_wsf_fan on May 19, 2007 19:53:16 GMT -8
There are still two Shakey's Pizza Parlor's in the area. one is in Shoreline area north of Seattle on 99. The other is in Renton on Petrovisky Road.
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Post by SS San Mateo on May 19, 2007 20:14:32 GMT -8
I do believe Shakey's went under several years ago with the proliferation of Domino's and their ilk, despite the fact that Domino's is lousy pizza. They're actually still around, but not nearly as many locations as they're used to be. Only 2 locations in Washington now (Renton and Maple Valley). In the early-mid 90's there were several (at least 3 I know of) that were "closed for renovation". None of the 3 reopened as Shakey's. One (West Seattle) became a Boston Market, then later became a Taco Time. The one near Myrtle Edwards Park became a sports bar and was later demolished to make way for the Olympic Sculpture Park. One in Burien also became a sports bar.
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Post by Emory Lindgard on May 19, 2007 20:29:23 GMT -8
Boy, Stuck a home run with the word Shakeys! ;D Guess what dropped out of the book that Bill sent me? A 1965 WSF Schedule and with prices. I laugh out loud at the prices. What a deal ! Mukilteo to Columbia Beach $1.20 passenger only 40 cents. Seattle to Bremerton $1.95 passenger was 85 cents.On the history of Capt Rolf Neslund. He almost did make it through WWII. Two of ships he was on were torpedo by a German U boats. Here is web site about the sinking Andrea F Luckerbach. You will see is name pop up as he was the Master of that ship. uboat.net/allies/merchants/2756.htmlBill Bailey has picture of this Freighter in the family's Rec room in the basement. Picture is about 5 feet wide. Note...Rolf Nelsund was pall bearer at Bill's Father's funeral. One of the other Pall Bearers was the Maritime Photographer Joe Williamson. So that about all for tonight........Signing off Emory
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Post by old_wsf_fan on May 31, 2007 17:20:38 GMT -8
Looks like the Nisqually has been out of service today. Does anyone know why she went down and what is wrong with her?
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Post by SS Shasta on May 31, 2007 18:44:38 GMT -8
Looks like the Nisqually has been out of service today. Does anyone know why she went down and what is wrong with her? She is up and running now according to the WSF site. You just can't keep a good old gal down for long .
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Post by Barnacle on Jun 1, 2007 7:16:53 GMT -8
You just can't keep a good old gal down for long . Five years less one week in 2003. ;D
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Post by EGfleet on Jun 2, 2007 19:34:17 GMT -8
For all you Nisqually fans, I snapped these today as she pulled into Friday Harbor as we on the Chelan headed back to Anacortes:
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Post by northwesterner on Jun 2, 2007 20:04:43 GMT -8
For all you Nisqually fans, I snapped these today as she pulled into Friday Harbor as we on the Chelan headed back to Anacortes: I bet some of the long time islands riders were suprised to see their old inter-island boat for the first time in at least five years... How many years did Nisqually serve as the dedicated San Juan Islands steel electric (remember, even in the winters when Hiyu was the inter-island boat, Nisqually would run on Anacortes trips)?
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Post by FNS on Jun 3, 2007 1:47:03 GMT -8
For all you Nisqually fans, I snapped these today as she pulled into Friday Harbor as we on the Chelan headed back to Anacortes: I bet some of the long time islands riders were suprised to see their old inter-island boat for the first time in at least five years... How many years did Nisqually serve as the dedicated San Juan Islands steel electric (remember, even in the winters when Hiyu was the inter-island boat, Nisqually would run on Anacortes trips)? Good to see the ferry that took me to and from Camp Orkila in the 1970s there in the islands once again. In her former wooden cabin config, the NISQUALLY did the mainline Anacortes service from about 1968 to 1977. Prior to that, she was the big one on the Kingston run for many years. Earlier on she did runs up in the islands and Edmonds and also down at Vashon Island. She's been all over the place on the Sound. In 1978, she was at Edmonds. In 1979, at Vashon Island with the KLAHOWYA and QUINAULT. In 1980, she was at Clinton alongside the ILLAHEE until 1982 when the KITTY and CATHY showed up there. She did work at Port Townsend for maybe a couple or so years in the 1980s. It was back to the San Juans for a few years after she received her new Portland-built deck houses and Wartsila main diesel generators. She should be a dedicated Camp Orkila ferry as large crowds of wonderful kids are exchanged each week there. In the 1970s, I remember when the ferry ride was about over when the crew member said over the PA: "Camp Orkila campers, please return to your buses".
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Post by SS San Mateo on Jun 5, 2007 8:36:36 GMT -8
Uh oh...
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Post by Barnacle on Jun 5, 2007 8:48:06 GMT -8
Poor old boat... I can't blame her for being a bit balky after four years in tie-up.
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Post by SS Shasta on Jun 24, 2007 13:45:08 GMT -8
Has WSF determined the car deck clearance on MV Nisqually yet? Two listings continue to be posted on their web site. One lists 13'2" and the second bulletin lists 13'9. Would there be much significance in this 7" difference?
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