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Post by capt on May 9, 2007 18:44:05 GMT -8
We were issued our COI today in Seattle. Capt. Tim will be taking Her North to Port Townsend for at least 6 weeks this Saturday to start service on Mothers Day. She looks pretty good for Her age and time tied up. I want to thank all who helped make this transformation possible. Thanks.
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Post by Dane on May 9, 2007 18:50:52 GMT -8
Where's the Klickitat going? I was gonna drive down to ride her very soon.
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Post by SS San Mateo on May 9, 2007 19:53:18 GMT -8
Where's the Klickitat going? I was gonna drive down to ride her very soon. Into drydock at Todd Shipyards. She was supposed to go there last week (5/4), but I have yet to see her there (both drydocks are occupied, one by the Taku and another one by another vessel (non-ferry)).
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Post by zman on May 9, 2007 20:21:29 GMT -8
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Post by Mike C on May 9, 2007 20:38:37 GMT -8
Excellent pictures ZMan. I feel more assured now that she'll be ready in time for da 2-Boat schedule.
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Post by FNS on May 9, 2007 21:28:38 GMT -8
To my Camp Orkila ferry of 1973, 1974, and 1975, WELCOME BACK to the green and white fleet, MV NISQUALLY!!!
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Post by northwesterner on May 9, 2007 21:33:32 GMT -8
Where's the Klickitat going? I was gonna drive down to ride her very soon. Make the drive anyways. Quinault and Nisqually are both 100 times more pleasant to ride on than the Klickitat (though she's a workhorse, her cabin, as designed, is the worst in the fleet).
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Post by SS Shasta on May 9, 2007 22:57:43 GMT -8
We were issued our COI today in Seattle. Capt. Tim will be taking Her North to Port Townsend for at least 6 weeks this Saturday to start service on Mothers Day. She looks pretty good for Her age and time tied up. I want to thank all who helped make this transformation possible. Thanks. YES, AND SHE LOOKS BEAUTIFUL!! A special thanks to all who worked so hard to bring the old girl back!!
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Post by Barnacle on May 10, 2007 8:01:45 GMT -8
Toldja she'd be ready.
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Post by SS San Mateo on May 10, 2007 8:53:32 GMT -8
Quinault and Nisqually are both 100 times more pleasant to ride on than the Klickitat (though she's a workhorse, her cabin, as designed, is the worst in the fleet). It was a blessing in disguise that the other 3 steel-electrics weren't rebuilt at the same time as the Klickitat due to lack of funding. If it was up to me, I would've had the new passenger cabins look as close as possible to the old ones (I don't know if that would've been practical though). Did the Nisqually get a new paint job? I didn't see much in the way of rust on her in the recent pics (something that would've been obvious if she hadn't been painted since 2003 or whenever she was last painted).
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Post by FNS on May 10, 2007 9:45:59 GMT -8
Back in July 1985, I had the opportunity to ride the VASHON to Ballard from Port Townsend (after she closed her hostel business there and getting ready to be a viewing platform for the Hydro Races for guests). On the way down, we passed Kingston. The eastbound YAKIMA was departing. To our wonderful surprise, the captain of the Super gave us the WSF "Fanfare Approach" signal (one long and two shorts) on her deep whistle. We returned the salute. We expect the same whistle salutes from all captains of the Seattle and Edmonds ferries (WALLA WALLA, KITSAP II, TACOMA, WENATCHEE, PUYALLUP, and SPOKANE) as well as the QUINAULT in Port Townsend to welcome the NISQUALLY back to service on her trip to Port Townsend this Saturday. She deserves a proper salute from everyone. WELCOME BACK, NISQUALLY!!
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Post by Political Incorrectness on May 10, 2007 12:23:14 GMT -8
So, she has been brought out of retirement, better get on her while I can
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Post by zman on May 11, 2007 6:57:18 GMT -8
It does look like the rust and moss problems have been taken care of...i hope
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Post by Political Incorrectness on May 12, 2007 13:12:56 GMT -8
Saturday, May 12, 2007 2:01PM
Port Townsend/Keystone - Late Spring Schedule begins Sunday, May 13th Beginning Sunday, May 13th, the Late Spring Schedule begins on the Port Townsend/Keystone route. The 75-vehicle Nisqually will join the 75-vehicle Quinault for two-boat service whereby providing additional afternoon departures leaving every 45 minutes.
IT IS OFFICIAL, She is coming out of retirement.
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Post by Barnacle on May 12, 2007 21:02:43 GMT -8
The corrected bulletin said the 59-car Nisqually and Quinault. If they still think those boats can hold 75 cars they must be using a very old fleet guide indeed. The Nisqually made her first revenue trip in four years today after making a ceremonial "Shoot The Gap" at Keystone to see how she handled. They figured that, as long as they were there, why not take some cars and ease the pressure?
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Post by SS Shasta on May 13, 2007 8:58:24 GMT -8
The corrected bulletin said the 59-car Nisqually and Quinault. If they still think those boats can hold 75 cars they must be using a very old fleet guide indeed. The difference between 59 and 75 is quite significant. I remember during the 60's and 70's vessels started being listed with lower car capacities as more large sized autos were on the road. Seems, however, that car sizes have balanced out in recent years. Would this have something to do with the wide variety of different vehicles that are likely to be loaded on almost every trip (cars, trucks, trailers, motor-homes, etc.)? In other words, 59 represents the number of vehicles rather than just cars?
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Post by EGfleet on May 13, 2007 9:09:41 GMT -8
The corrected bulletin said the 59-car Nisqually and Quinault. If they still think those boats can hold 75 cars they must be using a very old fleet guide indeed. The difference between 59 and 75 is quite significant. I remember during the 60's and 70's vessels started being listed with lower car capacities as more large sized autos were on the road. Seems, however, that car sizes have balanced out in recent years. You're joking, right? With Excursions, double cab F350's, Hummers, Escalades and every other manner of SUV on the road out there?
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Post by SS Shasta on May 13, 2007 10:39:29 GMT -8
The difference between 59 and 75 is quite significant. I remember during the 60's and 70's vessels started being listed with lower car capacities as more large sized autos were on the road. Seems, however, that car sizes have balanced out in recent years. You're joking, right? With Excursions, double cab F350's, Hummers, Escalades and every other manner of SUV on the road out there? No, not a joke. What I am saying is that standard car sizes have stayed the same or have actually decreased a bit in recent years. I believe that the capacity (75 for Steel Electrics) was for car capacity, not vehicle capacity, in these earlier listings. Today WSF lists vehicle capacity rather than car capacity. Does that make sense?
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Post by Low Light Mike on May 13, 2007 13:27:16 GMT -8
You're joking, right? With Excursions, double cab F350's, Hummers, Escalades and every other manner of SUV on the road out there? No, not a joke. What I am saying is that standard car sizes have stayed the same or have actually decreased a bit in recent years. I believe that the capacity (75 for Steel Electrics) was for car capacity, not vehicle capacity, in these earlier listings. Today WSF lists vehicle capacity rather than car capacity. Does that make sense? Let me jump in as a UN observer, and try to end the misunderstanding: Shasta, please define the context for "standard car size". Evergreenfleet thinks you are commenting on the typical car size that is driven these days, on the highways and onto the ferries. That has definitely increased in recent years, per Pickens' examples of all those earth-hatin' SUVs. I think that you (Shasta) are referring to a unit of measurement done on a ferry car deck, to classify the capacity of the ship. That unit-of-measurement may well have decreased in recent years...but I'm no expert on that. Are you 2 missing each other on this one? Or am I out to lunch? (it just seems funny with the back & forth sometimes, where it really looks like we're using the same words, but meaning entirely different things).
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Post by Barnacle on May 14, 2007 7:14:00 GMT -8
Have you taken a look around the car deck of any of the three steel-electrics with elevators, SS_Shasta? The elevator uses up a space on its own, plus it renders another space or two useless for drive-around room. So we're down to 73...
Then, there's all the "Keep Clear" spaces marked on the deck for access to the rescue boat stations--there goes two more spaces, so, 71; and the yellow stripes marking the access for each of the four evacuation slides--minimum three spaces, times four makes twelve, bringing the total to 59.
Cars have not necessarily gotten larger, but they have gotten wider, which is actually a bigger problem.
Anyway.
The number of spaces aboard the vessel has been based on an 18-foot vehicle standard for as long as I can remember.
(However, the terminal assumes vehicles to be 20 feet or less at the ticket booth, which also makes for an interesting rub in the capacity argument, but we won't go into that now...)
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Post by Dane on May 14, 2007 11:56:11 GMT -8
The last two times I was on the Klicikitat, almost exactly a year ago today, I had to climb out of my sun roof with my girldfriend on both trips! We were too close to the surrounding cars, one group next to us got stranded in their car on the way too Port Townsend. I told a WSF staff person but they were still stuck when I got back down
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Post by Emory Lindgard on May 15, 2007 7:46:38 GMT -8
To Ferrynut.
Thanks for the picture of Martin Orr.
There is a road up here on Whidbey Island named after his family who go way back into the history of South Whidbey.
Someone I met the other day said that Martin Orr also raised Turkeys on the side.
We have a lot of captains that lived Whidbey. I will have to find their grave sites. Martin Orr is one, Billy Fitro is another.
Emory
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Post by Barnacle on May 15, 2007 14:42:11 GMT -8
Is Martin Orr any relation to Rick Orr?
I know Billy Fitro just recently (within the last couple of years) passed away.
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Post by SS Shasta on May 15, 2007 17:50:44 GMT -8
Was the vehicle deck clearance lowered recently on MV Nisqually to 13'2", same as MV Quinault, during her recent yard work? I thought that it was discussed that both MV Klickitat and MV Nisqually had higher clearance than the other two Steel Electrics.
Did someone mention that the addition of new safety equipment, etc. can sometimes require a lower clearance?
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Post by Barnacle on May 15, 2007 18:17:42 GMT -8
Was the vehicle deck clearance lowered recently on MV Nisqually to 13'2", same as MV Quinault, during her recent yard work? I thought that it was discussed that both MV Klickitat and MV Nisqually had higher clearance than the other two Steel Electrics. Did someone mention that the addition of new safety equipment, etc. can sometimes require a lower clearance? It was mentioned, but it doesn't pertain to this instance. The clearance on the Nisqually has been 13'2" since 1987, as previously mentioned, when the outermost set of stanchions delineating the tunnel was removed to facilitate 'spinning' the traffic, and said removal required the addtion of a honkin' big beam to hold up the passenger cabin.
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