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Post by fargowolf on Oct 29, 2010 16:04:00 GMT -8
Here's a bit of an update on our new MV CHETZEMOKA:  Also, we see her in Canada! Well, in a way, that is. Can you see that grain car from Canada on the tracks? ;D O CANADA! I spy, with my little eye, a bright red Trudeu (Spelling?) grain hopper.   |
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Post by rusty on Oct 29, 2010 19:05:07 GMT -8
From www.pnwlocalnews.com/whidbey/wnt/news/106331093.htmlChetzemoka sailing tickets up for grabs Today, 1:09 PM Whidbey Island residents will have a chance to ride the new Washington State Ferry Chetzemoka during its inaugural sailing Sunday, Nov. 14, from Keystone Harbor. The Central Whidbey Chamber of Commerce is holding a raffle which started Oct. 27 and continues to Monday, Nov. 1, for tickets. The chamber has 30 to dole out. Entry forms are available at the Central Whidbey Chamber of Commerce office located in Mariner’s Court on Front Street, the Coupeville Public Library, the Coupeville branch of Whidbey Island Bank, or at www.centralwhidbeychamber.com. A drop-off box will be placed at the chamber office, which is open from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. Monday though Friday, 11 a.m. to 3 p.m. Saturday, and noon to 3 p.m. Sunday. The drawing takes place Tuesday, Nov. 2, and winners will be notified Nov. 3. The first official sailing of the 64-car Chetzemoka means the return of a permanent ferry on the Port Townsend to Coupeville ferry route, something motorists haven’t enjoyed in nearly three years. The inaugural sailing event will include a christening ceremony at the Coupeville ferry terminal at Keystone Harbor, a voyage to Port Townsend, and a tribal blessing ceremony at the Port Townsend ferry terminal. For more information, contact Central Whidbey Chamber of Commerce Executive Director Lynda Eccles at 360-678-5434. Hope I win!  |
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Post by FNS on Oct 30, 2010 0:57:55 GMT -8
Here's a YouTube video of the CHETZEMOKA at Edmonds with two trains included. 09/26/2010. A BNSF freight train, a helicopter, the CHETZY, and the Seattle branch of the Empire Builder on its way to Spokane to mate with its Portland branch. This is from NWPhotographyDirect.
2 Trains and the Recently Built Chetzemoka Ferry on 09/26/2010
NWPhotographyDirect
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Post by Low Light Mike on Oct 30, 2010 7:38:31 GMT -8
Here's a YouTube video of the CHETZEMOKA at Edmonds with two trains included. 09/26/2010. A BNSF freight train, a helicopter, the CHETZY, and the Seattle branch of the Empire Builder on its way to Spokane to mate with its Portland branch. This is from NWPhotographyDirect. Thanks FerryNut for posting that; I enjoyed it. - are any of the people who have speaking-roles also forum participants? |
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Post by FNS on Oct 30, 2010 11:10:31 GMT -8
I have found four neat videos of the CHETZEMOKA's eastern sister ISLAND HOME. These are DivX videos and may require a DivX player and/or plug-in to view these. You may hear her whistles in the on board video as she departs Woods Hole. ships.galutschek.at/island_home/Enjoy! |
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Post by EGfleet on Nov 1, 2010 6:34:38 GMT -8
Chetzemoka sea trials to resume after modication
Peninsula Daily News
The Chetzemoka is expected to return to sea trials this week after installation of thicker rub rails to minimize risk of damage when it is docked.
The 65-car ferry, which will begin service on the route between Port Townsend and Whidbey Island in mid-November, was towed to Everett Shipyard last week for installation of 12-inch rub rails.
Sea trials had shown that more protection was needed at the four corners of the vessel, requiring additional rub rails, the Washington State Ferries system said in a statement.
Rub rails installed
"The construction design included rub rails with an about 5-inch standoff from the side of the boat," the statement said.
"During sea trials, we recognized a potentially serious risk of damage to the installed Marine Evacuation System from contact with the existing marine structures in our berths given this small standoff."
The thicker rub rail is more in line with the rest of the fleet, the ferries system said.
Plans remain on track for the inaugural sailing of the new ferry Sunday, Nov. 13.
The Port Townsend Family Portrait will coincide with the inaugural voyage, with the shoot planned for 3 p.m. at the ferry dock on Water Street.
The Chetzemoka is scheduled to pull into Keystone Harbor at about 10:30 a.m. to be christened by Gov. Chris Gregoire.
The ceremony will be open to the public. Port Townsend residents who want to attend are advised to board the 9:30 a.m. sailing of the Steilacoom II to travel to the Coupeville terminal on Whidbey Island.
The inaugural sailing will be for invited guests only, including Gregoire, and is expected to last one hour, about twice as long as the regular sailing.
Ceremony in PT
A second ceremony in Port Townsend will take place when the boat docks, at about 12:30 p.m.
It will be open to the public for tours before the community photograph is taken. Those who want to be in the portrait are asked to gather in the ferry's holding area after the Steilacoom's 2:45 p.m. sailing.
The picture, to be taken by Port Townsend photographer David Conklin, will be turned into a poster that will be available the next day for $10 at the Printery/Star Copy, 631 Tyler St.
The Chetzemoka will begin regular service on its route Monday, Nov. 15.
The ferry -- which cost $76.5 million for construction, contingency and construction management -- is named for the well-respected Klallam chief Chetzemoka, who was buried in Port Townsend.
The Chetzemoka will be the first permanent ferry on the Port Townsend-Coupeville route in nearly three years.
The 50-car Steilacoom II, which the state leases from Pierce County, has been the solo ferry between the two Admiralty Inlet docks since state Transportation Secretary Paula Hammond pulled the four 80-year-old Steel Electric ferries from service because their hulls were pitted and corroded.
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Post by lmtengs on Nov 1, 2010 14:21:43 GMT -8
They are saying the Chetzemoka holds 65 cars. I thought it was 64. Did they modify something else to increase the vehicle capacity by one, or does the media have it wrong?
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Post by Ferryman on Nov 1, 2010 14:33:51 GMT -8
The media likes to round up to a nicer number to sensationalize the story. But, they haven't even filled this ferry up with cars yet to see just how much exactly they can hold when they cram them in. They could get 67 cars in there for all they know.
But then again, why does it matter. 65, 64, same diff!
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Post by rusty on Nov 1, 2010 14:36:37 GMT -8
They are saying the Chetzemoka holds 65 cars. I thought it was 64. Did they modify something else to increase the vehicle capacity by one, or does the media have it wrong? It's just wishful thinking. |
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Post by FNS on Nov 1, 2010 14:38:03 GMT -8
They are saying the Chetzemoka holds 65 cars. I thought it was 64. Did they modify something else to increase the vehicle capacity by one, or does the media have it wrong? Let's just say "give or take". It all depends on the actual loads and the size of the cars. More little cars, more carriage. More big cars, less carriage. |
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Post by BreannaF on Nov 1, 2010 17:32:09 GMT -8
They are saying the Chetzemoka holds 65 cars. I thought it was 64. Did they modify something else to increase the vehicle capacity by one, or does the media have it wrong? Ahem.... you DO understand that the number of cars that a ferry holds depends upon the type of cars that happen to be lined up for the ferry today, right? There could be a couple of car difference depending upon how closely the crew can get the drivers to park from one another. In the end, does it matter whether they call it 64 or 65? It's an approximation anyway. |
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Post by moonman on Nov 1, 2010 17:33:07 GMT -8
The number of vehicles for rating purposes is 20 feet. How many that can be carried is completely another thing.
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Post by lifc on Nov 1, 2010 19:40:34 GMT -8
The WSF standard is slightly over 18 feet. It was established in the late 60s by measuring, I believe, a 1967 Plymouth Fury III station wagon. It is likely the KdT's will be able to hold about 70 standard size cars if thare are no bigger vehicles on board.
The Pierce County Ferries use a slightly shorter standard. The 54 car Chrisitine Anderson often holds 59 cars. The State often gets 57 on the STII, but they do not load it to the ends the way the Counties do. I'll bet it would hold over 60 normal cars. The Steel Electric's used to be rated to 75 plus cars. they ended their life rated for 60. Might be fun to see how many Smart Cars could be put on.
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Post by lmtengs on Nov 1, 2010 20:22:01 GMT -8
They are saying the Chetzemoka holds 65 cars. I thought it was 64. Did they modify something else to increase the vehicle capacity by one, or does the media have it wrong? Ahem.... you DO understand that the number of cars that a ferry holds depends upon the type of cars that happen to be lined up for the ferry today, right? There could be a couple of car difference depending upon how closely the crew can get the drivers to park from one another. In the end, does it matter whether they call it 64 or 65? It's an approximation anyway. I do know, I do.... But it was a valid question, since maybe an extra 20 (give-or-take) foot approximate vehicle length was made somewhere on the ships' vehicle deck. Maybe they had removed something to make an extra 20 feet of vehicle space. Obviously not... |
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Post by Barnacle on Nov 1, 2010 21:15:49 GMT -8
The WSF standard is slightly over 18 feet. It was established in the late 60s by measuring, I believe, a 1967 Plymouth Fury III station wagon. It is likely the KdT's will be able to hold about 70 standard size cars if thare are no bigger vehicles on board. I knew the 18-foot rule, but I'd never heard quite that specific of an explanation before. (I would've thought a '67 station wagon was longer than that anyway... remember the Buick Electra 225, so named because it was 22.5 feet long?) The real problem begins when they sell up to a 20-foot space as a single space at the toll booth... nobody can explain to me where the extra two feet is supposed to come from. 144 18-foot spaces on my beloved Supers converts to 129 20-foot spaces, with enough room left over for a new Volkswagen Beetle. Mind you, this 18-20 foot difference really only comes into play on Saturday mornings eastbound and Saturday afternoons westbound, first and third Saturdays of the month... just after payday, everyone makes their Costco trips in the SUVs. I'm hoping for a SmartCar convention on San Juan Island some time. Wanna talk record loads? ;D |
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Post by steamfan on Nov 1, 2010 23:21:23 GMT -8
It also depends on how the vessel is loaded. In the early days of state ownership, cars were picked for size and loaded accordingly to maximize carrying capacity. A favorite game in the Vashon's later years was to see how many vehicles could be put aboard. I believe I've heard that in the early 70s, one mate was able to pack 64 or 65 cars on board. My grandfather remembers loading 63 cars on the Vashon about the same time, but that he could not manage to break the 64 car record.
During the first years that the Kittitas and Cathlamet were operating at Mukilteo, one of them was packed with 124 cars through careful selection and tight parking. Obviously, Coast Guard rules have put an end to that sort of loading. However, the point remains that selective loading and careful parking can increase the number of vehicles on a sailing.
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Post by EGfleet on Nov 2, 2010 7:29:50 GMT -8
It also depends on how the vessel is loaded. In the early days of state ownership, cars were picked for size and loaded accordingly to maximize carrying capacity. A favorite game in the Vashon's later years was to see how many vehicles could be put aboard. I believe I've heard that in the early 70s, one mate was able to pack 64 or 65 cars on board. My grandfather remembers loading 63 cars on the Vashon about the same time, but that he could not manage to break the 64 car record. During the first years that the Kittitas and Cathlamet were operating at Mukilteo, one of them was packed with 124 cars through careful selection and tight parking. Obviously, Coast Guard rules have put an end to that sort of loading. However, the point remains that selective loading and careful parking can increase the number of vehicles on a sailing. This is true...I was on the Chelan a few years back when they got 144 cars on her, which I believe was a record. I'm not sure if anyone could get out of their car or not, but still...that's impressive for a boat rated 124 cars. As you say though, they'd never allow it now due to all the "Don't park here, keep this area clear" spots on the car deck. |
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Post by Barnacle on Nov 2, 2010 7:32:05 GMT -8
Coast Guard rules are only 'sort of' the problem. Additional equipment like the evacuation slides, whose access cannot be blocked, elevators eating up a space, larger cars... it all adds up--or down, depending on how you look at it.
Up in the islands we still try to pack the boat as best we can, but are handicapped by multiple-destination loads. The best I ever saw on a Super was 174 for a three-stop load, but I don't think we could do it under today's rather more stringent guidelines.
And then you have all the passengers who want to get out of their cars... ;D
I had one person complain that they were always up against a wall on the boat. I had to explain that of the eleven lanes on a Super, ten of them were against walls and the eleventh was jammed in between the semi-trailer commercial traffic and was actually tighter. They weren't terribly interested in my explanation and continued to complain about not being able to get all their doors open. I finally asked in exasperation, "what do you want me to do, make the boat wider?"
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Post by Kahloke on Nov 2, 2010 7:43:55 GMT -8
I finally asked in exasperation, "what do you want me to do, make the boat wider?" Yeah, would you please? You know, just wave your magic wand |
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Post by Northern Exploration on Nov 2, 2010 7:59:49 GMT -8
The WSF standard is slightly over 18 feet. It was established in the late 60s by measuring, I believe, a 1967 Plymouth Fury III station wagon. It is likely the KdT's will be able to hold about 70 standard size cars if thare are no bigger vehicles on board. I knew the 18-foot rule, but I'd never heard quite that specific of an explanation before. (I would've thought a '67 station wagon was longer than that anyway... remember the Buick Electra 225, so named because it was 22.5 feet long?) The real problem begins when they sell up to a 20-foot space as a single space at the toll booth... nobody can explain to me where the extra two feet is supposed to come from. 144 18-foot spaces on my beloved Supers converts to 129 20-foot spaces, with enough room left over for a new Volkswagen Beetle. Mind you, this 18-20 foot difference really only comes into play on Saturday mornings eastbound and Saturday afternoons westbound, first and third Saturdays of the month... just after payday, everyone makes their Costco trips in the SUVs. I'm hoping for a SmartCar convention on San Juan Island some time. Wanna talk record loads? ;D The Buick Electra 225 Estate was one inch longer than the 70's era Eldorado. The wagon was actually 225 inches or just over 18 feet. I know the length of the Eldorado because a friend asked to store his bright red monster convertible in our garage for three nights while he had his garage refinished. It had inches to spare. I think the garage is 19 foot something but the door creeps into the space slightly. So the 18 foot something Eldorado was a squeeze. Bright cherry red with a white top and white leather interior. The trunk and hood looked like you could put a king size mattress on them. * After posting found this pic of a close version except his hub caps were red in the centre and inside leather was white. Link fixed. www.conceptcarz.com/view/photo/235868,1635/1976-Cadillac-Eldorado_photo.aspx |
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Post by Barnacle on Nov 2, 2010 9:30:47 GMT -8
I stand corrected. But for a long time, my definition of 'optimism' has been 'cramming a Buick Electra into a parking space marked "compact." I wish I'd had a camera that night.
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Post by Freeland on Nov 2, 2010 17:37:04 GMT -8
Sort of in reverse, is small cars. My friend Bill Bailey, who was a deck hand in 60s mentioned that during Century 21 World's Fair they had a Nash Metropolitan Car Club come to the Coleman Dock. About three dozen Metropolitan were headed to Bremerton on the Kalakala. www.clevelandseniors.com/images/events/euclid-beach-09-08/1960-metropolitan-car.jpgBill said when they finished loading the Kalakala it had sixteen cars above it capacity. Update Nov 3rd ...I told a big whooper see below.  Emory in Freeland |
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Post by Barnacle on Nov 2, 2010 21:03:23 GMT -8
Sort of in reverse, is small cars. My friend Bill Bailey, who was a deck hand in 60s mentioned that during Century 21 World's Fair they had a Nash Metropolitan Car Club come to the Coleman Dock. About three dozen Metropolitan were headed to Bremerton on the Kalakala. Bill said when they finished loading the Kalakala it had sixteen cars above it capacity. Emory in Freeland Well, opportunities are where you make them... Mini Coopers have artificially inflated my car count by three or four on occasion. |
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Post by Freeland on Nov 3, 2010 10:01:28 GMT -8
Boy did I tell a Whooper. Wrong Ferry boat and wrong time frame. I talked to Bill Bailey this morning. It was the Spokane Ferry when if first came on line in the 70s.. Even though they took cars that came first in line, the Spokane had 100 Metropiltans on board. The Metropolitan Car Club was heading to Silverdale's County Fair Grounds.  Emory in Freeland |
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Post by Barnacle on Nov 3, 2010 21:04:51 GMT -8
A worthy sight none the less.
Once upon a time I had a contact in a local Volkswagen club. I wanted to know how many Beetles we could get on the Cathlamet... we tried to figure out a way to do it, but never got it worked out. Can you imagine the racket of 140 Beetles all firing up?
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