Mill Bay
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Post by Mill Bay on Dec 8, 2010 16:52:59 GMT -8
I can't go wrong with using myself as a candidate:
Mill Bay (Yes, it is a town) SS Cascade/MV Brentwood: they are the same ship if your confused -- (A Mountain range, which is not water, but there is also a Cascade Inlet on the coast.)
MV Kuper (trivia: Named after Captain Augustus Leopold Kuper R.N., of HMS Thetis, a 36-gun Royal Navy frigate stationed on the coast between 1851 and 1853.) Yes, I know this name may not be politcally correct anymore.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 9, 2010 7:22:39 GMT -8
MV Kuper (trivia: Named after Captain Augustus Leopold Kuper R.N., of HMS Thetis, a 36-gun Royal Navy frigate stationed on the coast between 1851 and 1853.) Yes, I know this name may not be politcally correct anymore. I'll challenge your use of the Kuper for a person. See the various earlier posts in this thread regarding the likely intention when the name was chosen, and the concept of "degrees of separation". You can't choose the Queen of Sidney for Sid Barrett of Pink Floyd, or Queen of Victoria for any lady named Victoria with a local connection to that era.......so I think that Kuper for the guy is a stretch. Do you really think that someone at BCFerries had a sense of history in naming the ship after that Captain? Maybe it's just me, but I think that the name was chosen because the "K" fit the class scheme, and the name of the nearby island was convenient. - the degree of separation is interesting, but then most place-names have a history of being named after something; but we're focusing on one and not the other.
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Post by Mill Bay on Dec 9, 2010 7:51:46 GMT -8
MV Kuper (trivia: Named after Captain Augustus Leopold Kuper R.N., of HMS Thetis, a 36-gun Royal Navy frigate stationed on the coast between 1851 and 1853.) Yes, I know this name may not be politcally correct anymore. I'll challenge your use of the Kuper for a person. See the various earlier posts in this thread regarding the likely intention when the name was chosen, and the concept of "degrees of separation". You can't choose the Queen of Sidney for Sid Barrett of Pink Floyd, or Queen of Victoria for any lady named Victoria with a local connection to that era.......so I think that Kuper for the guy is a stretch. Do you really think that someone at BCFerries had a sense of history in naming the ship after that Captain? Maybe it's just me, but I think that the name was chosen because the "K" fit the class scheme, and the name of the nearby island was convenient. - the degree of separation is interesting, but then most place-names have a history of being named after something; but we're focusing on one and not the other. How does that have any correllation? The name, used in local nomenclature is directly associated with historical individual, whether BCFerries intended it, or not, it is. BCFerries would have had no conception of the name for a ferry at all if not for the person in history whose name is also attached to the island.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 9, 2010 8:11:30 GMT -8
How does that have any correllation? The name, used in local nomenclature is directly associated with historical individual, whether BCFerries intended it, or not, it is. BCFerries would have had no conception of the name for a ferry at all if not for the person in history whose name is also attached to the island. Hey, that's the way that I intended this game to work: the ferries with what they themselves were most likely named for. No degrees of separation. Know the limit, play within it. And yes, this whole game really is just a big sociology experiment, regarding cat-herding. ;D sometimes frustrating, sometimes amusing, but always interesting to see how people respond to criteria.
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Post by EGfleet on Dec 9, 2010 8:30:53 GMT -8
Mount Vernon named for the city of the same name. One of the first Anacortes-Sidney ferries. H.B. Kennedy named for the operator of the "Navy Yard Route." Originally a passenger only vessel, was later remodeled to carry cars/trucks on the Seattle-Bremerton run. Puget--after Puget Sound. ****I updated all my earlier posts with photos of the vessels in question.*****
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Post by Neil on Dec 9, 2010 12:21:46 GMT -8
Darn it. I was holding that one in reserve.... I presume that Lorraine S. was Lorraine Savoie, likely mother or grandmother of Albert & Leo Savoie. Checked my Hornby history book, but couldn't find any Lorraine Savoie. Could also have been a daughter. If I ever run into a Savoie on the island I'll ask. And I agree: Kuper would have to have been named for the island, and not the imperial navy guy. One suggestion; since provinces are okay, maybe states should be too. Not that that would widen the field much. Anyway... Comox Queen
Charlie Wells
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 9, 2010 13:10:49 GMT -8
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 9, 2010 13:19:27 GMT -8
One suggestion; since provinces are okay, maybe states should be too. Not that that would widen the field much. States sound like a good addition to the "town, city, province" category.
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Mill Bay
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Post by Mill Bay on Dec 9, 2010 19:50:53 GMT -8
How does that have any correllation? The name, used in local nomenclature is directly associated with historical individual, whether BCFerries intended it, or not, it is. BCFerries would have had no conception of the name for a ferry at all if not for the person in history whose name is also attached to the island. Hey, that's the way that I intended this game to work: the ferries with what they themselves were most likely named for. No degrees of separation. Know the limit, play within it. And yes, this whole game really is just a big sociology experiment, regarding cat-herding. ;D sometimes frustrating, sometimes amusing, but always interesting to see how people respond to criteria. You want degrees of separation...? I'll give you degrees of separation. Anyways, it's insane to argue about this anyway, but for that matter, I guess I can't really claim the SS Cascade was directly named for Cascade Inlet. Next time you have to throw sand in my eyes by quoting the rules, though, lay off of this particular smiley face : ;D ... It seems to convey a sense of gleeful gloating and leering with the intent to annoy.
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Post by Scott on Dec 9, 2010 21:17:03 GMT -8
Town: Queen of Coquitlam - Too bad they never got around to building the Queen of Port Coquitlam Person: Princess Jacqueline - A special person to someone who hasn't paid his mooring bills. Place: Quadra Queen II - Quadra Island.
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Post by FerryDude2012 on Dec 9, 2010 21:30:04 GMT -8
Town: Queen of Cumberland - community southwest of Courtenay, BC. Person: MV Captain Winsor - named after the late Captain Earl W. Winsor (more info here: www.releases.gov.nl.ca/releases/1998/wst/0623n02.htm) Place: MV Malaspina (Alaska State Ferry) - named after the Malaspina Glaciers in southeastern Alaska
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 9, 2010 22:32:01 GMT -8
Town: Queen of Cumberland - community southwest of Courtenay, BC. Person: MV Captain Winsor - named after the late Captain Earl W. Winsor (more info here: www.releases.gov.nl.ca/releases/1998/wst/0623n02.htm) Place: MV Malaspina (Alaska State Ferry) - named after the Malaspina Glaciers in southeastern Alaska When did the MV Captain Winsor work on the west-coast in BC, Washington or Alaska? RE the Queen of Cumberland: - take a closer look at the end of post #1 in this thread, and also at post #35.
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Post by D'Elete BC in NJ on Dec 10, 2010 7:48:58 GMT -8
Langdale Queen Dick Borch Mt Marcy
As an aside: the last two ferries came from the same fleet...where?
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Post by timmyboy on Dec 10, 2010 11:40:41 GMT -8
Langdale QueenDick BorchMt MarcyAs an aside: the last two ferries came from the same fleet...where? Obviously that is Lake Champlain Transportation but me thinks that isnt on the West Coast. ;D
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 10, 2010 11:47:23 GMT -8
Langdale QueenDick BorchMt MarcyAs an aside: the last two ferries came from the same fleet...where? Obviously that is Lake Champlain Transportation but me thinks that isnt on the West Coast. ;D The MV Dick Borch was used in Alaska; near Ketchikan I think...
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Post by timmyboy on Dec 10, 2010 14:33:08 GMT -8
Obviously that is Lake Champlain Transportation but me thinks that isnt on the West Coast. ;D The MV Dick Borch was used in Alaska; near Ketchikan I think... Flugel, you have to let a guy try and call his bro out.
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Post by EGfleet on Dec 11, 2010 5:17:05 GMT -8
The City of Clinton, named after the town on Whidbey Island. The Governor Harry W Nice, named for the former governor of Maryland. Came to Puget Sound in the early 1950's to become the Olympic.Quinault, from Lake Quinault. Name translates to "river with a lake in the middle" or thereabouts.
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Post by Scott on Dec 11, 2010 10:13:31 GMT -8
Town: Queen of Saanich - I suppose it could be a toss-up between the geographical feature (peninsula) or the town, but the trend of naming the ferries after towns likely means it's the city of Saanich.
EDIT: I see the Queen of Saanich has been used already (but I think it's missing from the main list).
So I'll go with the North Vancouver Ferry No. 1 (and 2, 3, 4, 5)
Person: Princess Patricia - I think this is the last of the Princess ships I can find that carried cars. According to Robert Turner, her capacity was 50 cars.
Place: Garibaldi II - Probably after Garibaldi Mountain.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 11, 2010 11:20:52 GMT -8
For those taking this game seriously, I've tried to keep the list of used-names updated. - thanks John for spotting a few misses.
FYI: if a name is used as part of an ineligible entry (man, I love that word), then it's still available for anyone else to use in an eligible entry.
- ie. an eligible entry is a post with 3 names that haven't been used before, and 1 for a town/city/province/state, 1 for a person and 1 for a geographic feature.
EG Fleet may be holding 10 more pre-fabricated responses in reserve, so check out his website for some history if you need it, as it appears that Puget Sound has lots of historical names that can be used.
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Post by EGfleet on Dec 12, 2010 10:20:16 GMT -8
For today we have the... City of Mukilteo, for, not too surprisingly, the city of Mukilteo. The Governor Herbert R. O'Connor (also spelled "O'Conor" depending on who you ask.) named for another governor of Maryland. Later to become the Rhododendron on Puget Sound. Lastly, the Klickitat a name that translates to "beyond" and is one of the Native American names for Mount Adams--again, depends on what tribe you ask. (The other well known native name for Mount Adams is "Pahto." )
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Post by mrdot on Dec 12, 2010 11:33:14 GMT -8
:)thanks again to EG fleet for my memories of Klickitat which I remember from my youth and a rattletat trip from Sidney thru to Annacortes, I guess that is well over 50 years ago, but I still vividly remember those big rattling windows! mrdot.
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Post by Neil on Dec 13, 2010 11:09:00 GMT -8
Darn. I think that pretty much does it for all the low hanging fruit.
Mt. Marcy? Which vessel that served on the west coast was ever named for that?
Since we're at the stage where the true ferry nerds are to be separated from the normal people, we might need our feisty quizmaster to define 'ferry' for us. For instance, a certain island in the Fraser definitely has a ferry service, but the vessel isn't the sort that has been listed here so far.
And, I take it a vessel can be used as many times as it's had different names, and that a town/city can be used as many times as vessels have been named for it?
Anyway...
Lardeau (unincorporated, but still a defined inhabited place, as opposed to a geographical name, so I think it counts.)
Bartlett (Do any of our Seattleites have any updates on the whereabouts or occupation of this vessel?)
Princess Superior (not for a haughty royal, but the lake.)
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Post by EGfleet on Dec 13, 2010 11:53:38 GMT -8
Bartlett (Do any of our Seattleites have any updates on the whereabouts or occupation of this vessel?) Yes. It is still in Ballard and still the training ship for the Maritime school in Seattle.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 13, 2010 12:33:44 GMT -8
Since we're at the stage where the true ferry nerds are to be separated from the normal people, we might need our feisty quizmaster to define 'ferry' for us. For instance, a certain island in the Fraser definitely has a ferry service, but the vessel isn't the sort that has been listed here so far. And, I take it a vessel can be used as many times as it's had different names, and that a town/city can be used as many times as vessels have been named for it? I think that a tug/barge combo is ok, if it's regularly used as a ro/ro ferry for cars or trucks. And multiple use of same ship or same city is ok, re different instances of a changing name and multiple ships named after same city. - ie. we've already seen Queen of Vancouver and Princess of Vancouver. - we could see both Bainbridge and Jervis.
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Post by D'Elete BC in NJ on Dec 15, 2010 7:55:23 GMT -8
Mt. Marcy? Which vessel that served on the west coast was ever named for that? My brother's comments above should shed some clues...
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