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Post by KE7JFF on Oct 28, 2015 17:26:35 GMT -8
Something else to consider too on any replacement is dependent on the rebuild of the Belleville Terminal; they might not do side loading...
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Oct 28, 2015 17:42:24 GMT -8
Post by Starsteward on Oct 28, 2015 17:42:24 GMT -8
So true 'mrdot' except for the one that has found her new life in the sunny climes of Fiji and the one still attempting to get the heck outta 'dodge'  There were a couple, the 'Suzie Q' to be specific that found great peace at the bottom of Davey Jones Locker. |
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Oct 28, 2015 18:30:44 GMT -8
Post by westernflyer on Oct 28, 2015 18:30:44 GMT -8
I'm not sure that it's fair to compare the Coho to the Steel Electrics. The Coho seems to have had a significant advantage when it comes to care and maintenance Additionally, she was built with far more advanced methods than were the Steel Electrics. I think you are absolutely correct on all points, but it's important to bear in mind the significance of Transport Canada/USCG requirements for vessel's safe operation. These requirements are constantly changing to bring them in line with modern technology, something the Coho will have an increasingly difficult time bringing up to par. The USCG ultimately did the Steel Electrics in. In addition to this, the Steel Electrics had a full rebuild essentially from the hull-up in the early-mid 1980s. The Coho has had no such rebuild (as of yet). Maybe this kind of life extension is necessary for continued service as Black Ball suggests. I would presume that without an extensive rebuild, the 20-40 year timeline is unrealistic. Good point with regards to the Transport Canada/USCG requirements. It seems likely that regulations will ultimately decide the fate of the Coho. The rebuild of the Steel Electrics was carried out for reasons not applicable to the Coho. I could elaborate but looking at early pictures of the Steel Electrics illustrates this point better than I can. |
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Post by westernflyer on Oct 28, 2015 18:37:15 GMT -8
So true 'mrdot' except for the one that has found her new life in the sunny climes of Fiji and the one still attempting to get the heck outta 'dodge' There were a couple, the 'Suzie Q' to be specific that found great peace at the bottom of Davey Jones Locker. Don't forget the former Queen of Tsawwassen... she is still lurking somewhere on the B.C. Coast, perhaps anchored in some misty backwater along with the Queen of Richmond. |
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Post by Mill Bay on Oct 29, 2015 15:07:33 GMT -8
In addition to this, the Steel Electrics had a full rebuild essentially from the hull-up in the early-mid 1980s. The Coho has had no such rebuild (as of yet). Maybe this kind of life extension is necessary for continued service as Black Ball suggests. I would presume that without an extensive rebuild, the 20-40 year timeline is unrealistic. Don't forget that (using Evergreen Fleet as a source here) the Steel Electrics had had an earlier rebuild of their hulls, which wasn't truly as complete as was believed, which ultimately led to attention being called to the deterioration of the hulls, and the coast guard order to withdraw them. Maybe the Coho is fortunate it hasn't had a rebuild, yet, but if the Steel Electrics had actually had their hulls completely renewed at the time they rebuilt and had sponsons added, they might theoretically still be sailing in the same waters as the Coho. |
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Post by KE7JFF on Dec 6, 2015 7:44:44 GMT -8
So, I'm curious now what the plans are for the Belleville Terminal; as I understand the new facility will replace both the Blackball and Clipper sides of operation into one building...
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Post by Low Light Mike on Dec 6, 2015 18:53:36 GMT -8
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Post by roeco on Dec 6, 2015 20:14:41 GMT -8
Something else to consider too on any replacement is dependent on the rebuild of the Belleville Terminal; they might not do side loading... Alaska State Ferry has a few ships that will be sold in the next few years, I wonder if one of them might be a candidate to supplement the Coho. If not replace her |
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Post by WettCoast on Dec 6, 2015 21:37:01 GMT -8
Something else to consider too on any replacement is dependent on the rebuild of the Belleville Terminal; they might not do side loading... Alaska State Ferry has a few ships that will be sold in the next few years, I wonder if one of them might be a candidate to supplement the Coho. If not replace her I would hope not due to their age. Makes little sense to replace an aging vessel with one almost as old. |
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Dec 28, 2015 5:25:13 GMT -8
Post by KE7JFF on Dec 28, 2015 5:25:13 GMT -8
Alaska State Ferry has a few ships that will be sold in the next few years, I wonder if one of them might be a candidate to supplement the Coho. If not replace her I would hope not due to their age. Makes little sense to replace an aging vessel with one almost as old. Yeah, I wouldn't even bother with replacing it with its older sister... Per again my contacts in the maritime industry, the only thing that would be a direct replacement and be compliant with the Jones Act without waiver would be a few select HSC-type catamarans in the used market. |
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Post by WettCoast on Dec 30, 2015 21:07:15 GMT -8
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Post by Starsteward on Dec 31, 2015 6:59:22 GMT -8
Darn fine shot of the old girl there 'Wett Coast'. She, along with several of our learned forum members can take heart that 'she' and 'we' don't look a day over 30! Happy sailing in 2016 everyone! |
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Post by WettCoast on Dec 31, 2015 22:46:55 GMT -8
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Post by Dane on Jan 1, 2016 18:59:34 GMT -8
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jan 1, 2016 19:23:25 GMT -8
I am suprised both WSF and the the Coho are not running and even the Clipper is out too for a bit. You think maybe Blackball and WSF could talk and arrange something for that time the Coho is out to bring the Sidney run into service. It just means now BC Ferries will be more busy during this time and with both Spirit ships out this month should be interesting.
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 2, 2016 14:23:28 GMT -8
I am suprised both WSF and the the Coho are not running and even the Clipper is out too for a bit. You think maybe Blackball and WSF could talk and arrange something for that time the Coho is out to bring the Sidney run into service. It just means now BC Ferries will be more busy during this time and with both Spirit ships out this month should be interesting. It's been this way every year since 2003. Maybe the maintenance happens because the traffic demands don't meet income needs. |
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Jan 2, 2016 14:55:21 GMT -8
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Post by Koastal Karl on Jan 2, 2016 14:55:21 GMT -8
It has been this way every year but it's only been for like 2 weeks not 2 months! At least WSF could of kept the Sidney run through this but what is more traffic on route 1 anyways just means more waits with 2 Coastals! Awesome!
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Jan 2, 2016 21:20:54 GMT -8
Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 2, 2016 21:20:54 GMT -8
At least WSF could of kept the Sidney run through this With what ship? And if one of the 2 SOLAS ships is available, then at the sacrifice of which other routes? |
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Post by WettCoast on Jan 5, 2016 19:51:18 GMT -8
Blackball's Coho en route to Victoria - 30 December 2015. Race Rocks Light House is seen in the distant left background. This view is from Victoria's Beacon Hill Park, and was shot with a 450 mm equivalent zoom lens. A cropped version of this will serve for the next month or so as my 'sig pic'.  © WCK-JST by Jim Thorne, on Flickr |
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Post by WettCoast on Jan 19, 2016 22:22:47 GMT -8
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Post by Starsteward on Jan 20, 2016 9:34:09 GMT -8
Blackball has done a terrific job at maintaining their vessel over the course of her service career. One would be hard pressed to guess her age if one wasn't a knowledgeable ferry forum member. We should all look that good when, as time rolls on, endless ocean waves have passed beneath our keels? |
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Post by WettCoast on Feb 22, 2016 10:58:14 GMT -8
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Post by Dane on Feb 23, 2016 5:08:41 GMT -8
I will be quick to admit I know nothing about construction, particularly when it comes to marine work, so this post is rather uneducated. However, the Coho is supposed to be back in service at the end of this week (28 Feb) and the terminal which is undergoing renovation in the Victoria Harbour looks rather incomplete for an on-time restoration of service. Will be interesting to see if they make it, and I will be really impressed. I haven't been downtown for a few days but apparently they are working long full days. Photos: |
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Feb 23, 2016 5:32:34 GMT -8
Post by Starsteward on Feb 23, 2016 5:32:34 GMT -8
Judging from those pictures, finishing the project by the end of the month looks pretty 'iffy' to me.
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MV Coho
Feb 25, 2016 13:47:00 GMT -8
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Post by Dane on Feb 25, 2016 13:47:00 GMT -8
Ramps going in today. Many marine structures aren't done but service will be back on time. Impressive!!
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