Edmonds-Kingston

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Oct 13, 2014 9:26:34 GMT -8 PeninsulaExplorer said:

Have they used the tie up slip (Slip 3) ever since the Klickitat left?

Yes. They use it when the vessel is out of service.

[Kahloke]

Oct 13, 2014 13:20:25 GMT -8 Barnacle said:

Oct 13, 2014 9:22:57 GMT -8 PeninsulaExplorer said:

There is a height limit on slip 2 because the overhead walkway crosses over in that skybridge thing going to the ramps

I'd be very surprised if the "height limit" was less than sixteen feet (auto deck max).  Anyone have a photo of a clearance sign on the bridge showing otherwise?

I know this was asked awhile ago, but I made sure to capture the clearance sign today as I was passing through Kingston, so here it is - 15'-0":

[Barnacle]

Nov 15, 2014 18:37:09 GMT -8 Kahloke said:

Oct 13, 2014 13:20:25 GMT -8 Barnacle said:

I'd be very surprised if the "height limit" was less than sixteen feet (auto deck max).  Anyone have a photo of a clearance sign on the bridge showing otherwise?

I know this was asked awhile ago, but I made sure to capture the clearance sign today as I was passing through Kingston, so here it is - 15'-0":

Well, whaddaya know.  It's been years since I've worked down there, and I will admit I didn't pay that much attention to that--I'd always assumed it was a standard 16 feet.  I stand corrected!

[SolDuc]

Edmonds ponders a 7,800-foot trench for train traffic
By Sharon Salyer, Herald Writer

EDMONDS — A proposed 7,800-foot trench to allow trains to pass through the city below grade would cost an estimated $250 million to $290 million, according to Tetra Tech, a Seattle consulting firm.

The trench would begin near the city's off-leash dog park on the waterfront and would end near Caspers Street. It's the latest suggestion to solve congestion around the city's waterfront caused by passing trains — a problem the city has wrestled with for years.

The trench would help alleviate congestion around the waterfront by allowing traffic to pass above the tracks on bridges that would be built at Dayton and Main streets. The suggestion was made by two residents, Chuck and Katherine Gold, who developed a website, Edmonds Train Trench, to outline their proposal.
The city paid Tetra Tech $10,000 to do what Mayor Dave Earling described as a preliminary look at both the cost and the engineering challenges to be overcome if the trench is constructed.

Among the issues outlined in the report are excavating a trench that would be up to 30 feet deep in what is described as weak soil. The trench would need to be deepest from just north of Main Street to just south of Dayton Street, said Rick Schaefer, a senior program manager at Tetra Tech.

Other issues the project would face are proximity to the Puget Sound shoreline and to nearby steep slopes, shallow groundwater and the challenge of building the project while maintaining a rail line with frequent train trips, according to the report. The project would take about three years to complete, it says.
“It has to be technically achievable and it has to be judged as financially affordable,” Schaefer said.

There are a lot of complicated issues raised by the trench concept, said Patrick Doherty, the city's economic and community services director. “Probably one of the biggest ones is the railroad needs to agree.”
Gus Melonas, a spokesman for the BNSF, said the railroad is reviewing the proposal and “will discuss details further with the city.”
Edmonds will ask the Legislature for $1.25 million to pay for a more in-depth look at how to solve the traffic issues in the city's busy waterfront district, Doherty said. “If we're able to get the money for an alternatives analysis, it would be at that point that we would decide” if the trench is feasible enough to include in the analysis, he said.
Traffic enters the city from the north and south to catch the Edmonds-Kingston ferry, used by by 3.8 million walk-on passengers and drivers each year. Ferry vehicle and pedestrian traffic must cross the train tracks when loading and disembarking.

Traffic delays also are caused by an increasing number of passing trains. About 40 trains go through the city each day, shutting down access to the city's waterfront for about two hours a day, according to city officials.

On occasion, trains break down along the waterfront, blocking access to the area by both emergency vehicles and general traffic.
Earling has advocated for a study of transportation alternatives because train traffic is expected to increase significantly by 2030. If a projection of 100 trains a day is reached, it could shut down access to the waterfront and the state highway leading to the ferry for an estimated four-and-a-half hours in a 24-hour period, according to Earling. That would block access to the underwater dive park, the port and a senior center.

www.heraldnet.com/article/20141117/NEWS01/141119284

[FNS]

Nov 23, 2014 22:14:34 GMT -8 SolDuc said:

Edmonds ponders a 7,800-foot trench for train traffic
By Sharon Salyer, Herald Writer

EDMONDS — A proposed 7,800-foot trench to allow trains to pass through the city below grade would cost an estimated $250 million to $290 million, according to Tetra Tech, a Seattle consulting firm.

The trench would begin near the city's off-leash dog park on the waterfront and would end near Caspers Street. It's the latest suggestion to solve congestion around the city's waterfront caused by passing trains — a problem the city has wrestled with for years.

The trench would help alleviate congestion around the waterfront by allowing traffic to pass above the tracks on bridges that would be built at Dayton and Main streets. The suggestion was made by two residents, Chuck and Katherine Gold, who developed a website, Edmonds Train Trench, to outline their proposal.
The city paid Tetra Tech $10,000 to do what Mayor Dave Earling described as a preliminary look at both the cost and the engineering challenges to be overcome if the trench is constructed.

Among the issues outlined in the report are excavating a trench that would be up to 30 feet deep in what is described as weak soil. The trench would need to be deepest from just north of Main Street to just south of Dayton Street, said Rick Schaefer, a senior program manager at Tetra Tech.

Other issues the project would face are proximity to the Puget Sound shoreline and to nearby steep slopes, shallow groundwater and the challenge of building the project while maintaining a rail line with frequent train trips, according to the report. The project would take about three years to complete, it says.
“It has to be technically achievable and it has to be judged as financially affordable,” Schaefer said.

There are a lot of complicated issues raised by the trench concept, said Patrick Doherty, the city's economic and community services director. “Probably one of the biggest ones is the railroad needs to agree.”
Gus Melonas, a spokesman for the BNSF, said the railroad is reviewing the proposal and “will discuss details further with the city.”
Edmonds will ask the Legislature for $1.25 million to pay for a more in-depth look at how to solve the traffic issues in the city's busy waterfront district, Doherty said. “If we're able to get the money for an alternatives analysis, it would be at that point that we would decide” if the trench is feasible enough to include in the analysis, he said.
Traffic enters the city from the north and south to catch the Edmonds-Kingston ferry, used by by 3.8 million walk-on passengers and drivers each year. Ferry vehicle and pedestrian traffic must cross the train tracks when loading and disembarking.

Traffic delays also are caused by an increasing number of passing trains. About 40 trains go through the city each day, shutting down access to the city's waterfront for about two hours a day, according to city officials.

On occasion, trains break down along the waterfront, blocking access to the area by both emergency vehicles and general traffic.
Earling has advocated for a study of transportation alternatives because train traffic is expected to increase significantly by 2030. If a projection of 100 trains a day is reached, it could shut down access to the waterfront and the state highway leading to the ferry for an estimated four-and-a-half hours in a 24-hour period, according to Earling. That would block access to the underwater dive park, the port and a senior center.

www.heraldnet.com/article/20141117/NEWS01/141119284

Interesting thought.

One needs to think about drainage and the cost of running water removing pumps.

One idea is to do a trench for non hazardous freight trains and lid it over retaining the grade level passenger tracks (double deck).  All freight trains, except for hazardous ones, would use the trench and passenger trains run above as they do now.

Part of the fun of train travel is passing through towns along the waterfront and seeing a ferry in the dock or underway. 

The current train station building should be retained as is.  There's a model railroad club in its south end that runs HO scale trains on tracks and scenery meticulously hand crafted.  Take an opportunity to see it during a club's public viewing date.  This is the Swamp Creek & Western Railroad Association.

www.scwrra.org/

Model railroading is fun.  Add to the spice of this hobby the rumble of real trains passing by just a few feet outside of the door.

[chokai]

Sound Transit has received a $1.3B federal loan with very favorable terms. This allows the taxes currently in place to "go further". As a result several projects that were previously delayed after the recession might move forward again. While it is to early to get super hopeful it bares watching as one of the items on the short list is a permanent multi-modal station @ Edmonds.

Link: www.soundtransit.org/About-Sound-Transit/News-and-events/News-releases/ST-recieves-13-billion-TIFIA-loan

[Cascadian Transport]

3-boat service is coming to Edmonds. According to the Maintenance Schedule, The Walla Walla will be replaced by the Tillikum and Evergreen instead of Tokitae, as previously planned. This will start on the 20th of this month and last until the 24th. All usual Maintenance Schedule disclaimers apply. 

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Which vessels tied in each slip during the 3 boat service?

[SS San Mateo]

Aug 2, 2015 12:40:25 GMT -8 @ferryman1141 said:

Which vessels tied in each slip during the 3 boat service?

Based on some pictures I saw, the Evergreen State tied up in slip #3 (tie-up slip), Tillikum in slip #2 and Spokane in slip #1.

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Aug 2, 2015 13:54:23 GMT -8 SS San Mateo said:

Aug 2, 2015 12:40:25 GMT -8 @ferryman1141 said:

Which vessels tied in each slip during the 3 boat service?

Based on some pictures I saw, the Evergreen State tied up in slip #3 (tie-up slip), Tillikum in slip #2 and Spokane in slip #1.

Oh, so no boat tied up in Edmonds.

[Barnacle]

Aug 3, 2015 5:15:15 GMT -8 @ferryman1141 said:

Aug 2, 2015 13:54:23 GMT -8 SS San Mateo said:

Based on some pictures I saw, the Evergreen State tied up in slip #3 (tie-up slip), Tillikum in slip #2 and Spokane in slip #1.

Oh, so no boat tied up in Edmonds.

One slip, no tie-up slip available... and if someone on the Edmonds side didn't make it to work and they couldn't sail, then the dock is plugged.  Plus it's probably a hangover from the days of an all-night crew at EDK, when Med-evacs were a Thing.

[Deleted]

Aug 3, 2015 17:46:39 GMT -8 Barnacle said:

Aug 3, 2015 5:15:15 GMT -8 @ferryman1141 said:

Oh, so no boat tied up in Edmonds.

One slip, no tie-up slip available... and if someone on the Edmonds side didn't make it to work and they couldn't sail, then the dock is plugged.  Plus it's probably a hangover from the days of an all-night crew at EDK, when Med-evacs were a Thing.

I know that, but when the boats are not running, 1 can still tie up in Edmonds.

[Deleted]

Nov 15, 2014 18:37:09 GMT -8 Kahloke said:

Oct 13, 2014 13:20:25 GMT -8 Barnacle said:

I'd be very surprised if the "height limit" was less than sixteen feet (auto deck max).  Anyone have a photo of a clearance sign on the bridge showing otherwise?

I know this was asked awhile ago, but I made sure to capture the clearance sign today as I was passing through Kingston, so here it is - 15'-0":

Did you take this as a walk-on passenger?

[Deleted]

I know it's unrelated to the current "subtopic", but when do WSDOT start loading cars waiting for the Ferry on the dock? I've been on that ferry a lot and am very rarely on the dock!

[Barnacle]

Aug 3, 2015 17:55:57 GMT -8 @ferryman1141 said:

Aug 3, 2015 17:46:39 GMT -8 Barnacle said:

One slip, no tie-up slip available... and if someone on the Edmonds side didn't make it to work and they couldn't sail, then the dock is plugged.  Plus it's probably a hangover from the days of an all-night crew at EDK, when Med-evacs were a Thing.

I know that, but when the boats are not running, 1 can still tie up in Edmonds.

I know it's possible, but if the boat can't leave Edmonds for some reason--any reason--there goes service on the run.  And a no-show can do just that.

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But of course, if all 3 boats tied up in Kingston, that left Kingston plugged.

[northwesterner]

Aug 7, 2015 7:55:21 GMT -8 @ferryman1141 said:

But of course, if all 3 boats tied up in Kingston, that left Kingston plugged.

No, it wouldn't.

There is one berth at Edmonds. If a vessel tied up overnight in Edmonds, and had a mechanical failure or crew shortage that prevented it from operating the first trip in the morning, the entire route would shut down because the other vessel(s) cannot berth at Edmonds.

There are three berths at Kingston. Two of the three can be used for regular service. If three vessels tie up at Kingston for the night, and one of them was unable to operate their first trips in the morning, the route could still continue to operate with the functional/crewed vessels.

[Deleted]

I get that. ThankS!

[Deleted]

Looks like Kingston "footies" have to board from the vehicle deck.

From the WSDOT webpage:

"Edm/King - 8/11 - Kingston Overhead Out of Service
Overhead loading at the Kingston Terminal is temporarily out of service for repairs. All walk-on passengers will load and unload via the car deck in Kingston until further notice. Updates will occur as conditions change."

[Deleted]

Oct 13, 2014 13:33:12 GMT -8 @estate2014 said:

Oct 13, 2014 9:26:34 GMT -8 PeninsulaExplorer said:

Have they used the tie up slip (Slip 3) ever since the Klickitat left?

Yes. They use it when the vessel is out of service.

They also used it when there was 3-boat service at Kingston-Edmonds.

[Kahloke]

Aug 11, 2015 7:46:00 GMT -8 @ferryman1141 said:

Looks like Kingston "footies" have to board from the vehicle deck.

From the WSDOT webpage:

"Edm/King - 8/11 - Kingston Overhead Out of Service
Overhead loading at the Kingston Terminal is temporarily out of service for repairs. All walk-on passengers will load and unload via the car deck in Kingston until further notice. Updates will occur as conditions change."

We don't need blow-by-blow updates from the WSDOT Ferries site.  Most of us are quite capable of going to their site and reading that information ourselves.  We would appreciate it greatly if you refrain from relaying such service notices, as they are pretty routine and not particularly noteworthy.  Thanks.

[manfred]

Hi forum!

My name is Manfred and am living in Hamburg in Nothern Germany. I found this web page in my internet search for photos of the WSF terminals. The reason for my photo search is that I am rebuilding the WSF terminals around Seattle as 3D models. These models are used in the P3D-flight simulator from Lockheed Martin.

I would very much like to take the pictures by myself, but the way from Germany to the US west coast is a bit too far.

Thus, I have only the images from Google Earth and the internet as a guide available. Unfortunately, I do not always find the necessary pictures as now in the case of the Kingston terminal. I currently seeking photos that show me this two buildings in Kingston (see marking in the picture). I would be glad if someone could help me with a corresponding photo.





Here are 2 pictures of the previously completed terminals in the flight simulator.

Bainbridge terminal with WSF maintenance yard




Edmonds terminal

[Kahloke]

Jul 26, 2016 21:31:08 GMT -8 manfred said:

Hi forum!

My name is Manfred and am living in Hamburg in Nothern Germany. I found this web page in my internet search for photos of the WSF terminals. The reason for my photo search is that I am rebuilding the WSF terminals around Seattle as 3D models. These models are used in the P3D-flight simulator from Lockheed Martin.

I would very much like to take the pictures by myself, but the way from Germany to the US west coast is a bit too far.

Thus, I have only the images from Google Earth and the internet as a guide available. Unfortunately, I do not always find the necessary pictures as now in the case of the Kingston terminal. I currently seeking photos that show me this two buildings in Kingston (see marking in the picture). I would be glad if someone could help me with a corresponding photo.

Are you wanting photos sent to your e-mail, or are you just looking for photos to be posted in this thread? I ask because there are a number of photos of this terminal on the first page of this thread. In addition to that, I have photos of Kingston on my Flickr page.

[manfred]

Hi Kahloke,

thanks for your answer.

I saw the photos on the first page of this thread. Unfortunately, there is no one you can see the two marked buildings well.
It would be enough if I could see the photos somewhere, like on your Flickr page or here in the forum. I just need to see how the buildings look like, so I can recreate real as possible.

Greetings form Hamburg
Manfred

[R30A]

While I do not have a photo of it handy, I do have a comment which may help you orient yourself. The bottom of the two buildings is less of a building but is more of an awning than a building! it is the structure you are seeing in the third photo of Kahloke's second post in this thread. There is a waiting room structure underneath it too, but what you are seeing from above is a totally open structure. I'll keep looking for something else that could be of use.