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Post by WettCoast on Jan 29, 2007 22:06:19 GMT -8
More background on the interconnected histories of the Queen of Surrey ( the North), the Queen of Prince Rupert, and the Princess Marguerite. This article is from Harbour & Shipping - April 1981 and was written by Mark Wilson - long time harbour and railway writer for the Province newspaper. I think many may find this very interesting. Thanks to my brother, DOT, for giving me the magazine clipping.  page 2...  See also a couple of Princess Marguerite photos taken in Victoria harbour in spring 1977 that I am about to 'publish' on the old Coastal Steamships page. |
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 30, 2007 7:20:26 GMT -8
Thanks for that wonderful bit of history. If I remember correctly, that Province-newspaper writer is the fellow that Hornbyguy has spoken highly of, in the past.
The article mentions the ship "Prince George". I remember seeing that ship tied-up at Nanaimo harbour, for a long stretch of time in the early 1980's. She was tied up next to the Gabriola-route's terminal...in front of what is now the Cameron-Island Condo's.
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Post by Balfour on Jan 30, 2007 8:45:22 GMT -8
It was mentioned either on this forum, or in the Bannerman's book, that the QPR was not well suited for the Seattle - Victoria run. Her capacity and interior space was not enough for the busy summer route. This likely explains the loss of revenue from that year.
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Post by Ferryman on Nov 28, 2007 18:35:45 GMT -8
Here's a photo sent to me from our newest member, landlubber. His father took this photo as he and his family was sailing on the MV Coho into Victoria Harbour, as the Princess Margueritte sailed past.  |
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Post by landlubber on Nov 28, 2007 18:59:45 GMT -8
Thank you Chris for posting this photo of the Princess Marguerite II on my behalf. I would only like to add, for those who are interested, that the photo was taken on July 30th, 1966.
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Post by Mill Bay on Nov 30, 2007 11:54:01 GMT -8
Wow, great photo...
1966 means that the Coho was stil practically brand-new in service when that picture was taken.
Neat.
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Post by FNS on Mar 17, 2008 23:40:20 GMT -8
First volley of a bunch of old books I've picked up recently at used bookstores The Haunted Bookshop and Beacon Books in Sidney... Found Here: www.ferrypicsbygraham.fotopic.net/c1247705_469.html
Including, among 13 pics for now... www.ferrypicsbygraham.fotopic.net/p49070078.htmlVictoria's Inner Harbour: CPR terminal with original paint scheme Princess ships docked in foreground where the, in the background, Black Ball ferry Coho now docks. Follow the links and then click the pics for the largest versions uploaded GREAT PHOTO COLLECTION! This was taken in the 1960s. 1969 would be the last season the PRINCESS MARGUERITE would operate with the classic paint scheme. I took my first trip aboard this ship that year. I was attending elementary school then. My dad had a company special trip that day and us kids filled the forward social hall (next to the foot passenger boarding hatches adjacent to the purser's office) in the evening trip back to Seattle and watched films. They set up a screen and a movie projector. That was really fun for us kids that day. Before the films started, my family and I ate a formal dinner in the fancy dining saloon. I ate "Cap'n Crunch" that morning. Can't remember what I had for lunch, though. If you notice the stern of the PRINCESS PATRICIA's boat deck, you'll spot a small swimming pool. She had this for awhile, especially in use on her winter cruises out of Los Angeles. In 1970, the MAGGIE would get the clownish red stack scheme.  |
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Post by WettCoast on Jan 29, 2007 23:07:44 GMT -8
I have discovered in my collection of slides and negatives dating from the 1970's some views of the Princess Marguerite that I would like to share with forum members. Here they are...  Above and below - Princess Marguerite wearing the Union Jack in Victoria Harbour - Spring 1977 - scanned from colour negatives   Above - Princess Marguerite & James Cook Statue - Victoria, April 1978 (photo by JMT) scanned from slide  Princess Marguerite at Victoria's Belleville St Terminal - early spring 1982 (photo by JMT) also scanned from a slide |
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Post by Curtis on Jan 30, 2007 8:17:51 GMT -8
Very Nice Photos, Thanks for Sharing them.
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Post by Queen of Nanaimo Teen on Jan 30, 2007 8:44:33 GMT -8
Wow, great photos. Thanks for posting them!
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 30, 2007 11:14:54 GMT -8
Probably my favorite color scheme of the Maggie... the black hull made her look rather short in length, IMHO. I miss her.  |
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Post by Queen of Nanaimo Teen on Jan 30, 2007 11:46:57 GMT -8
I disagree with Barnacle. I think the black hull scheme was better! It makes her look more like another CP ship. If she is straight white, it is like the Empress paint scheme.
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 30, 2007 18:57:33 GMT -8
Probably my favorite color scheme of the Maggie... the black hull made her look rather short in length, IMHO. I miss her. Are you talking about the area Below the gold line, on the side? Or are you talking about the whole side? I just don't quite know if "hull" refers to entire shell, or just the area near the waterline. But I like the brown coloured side, below the gold-stripe, near the waterline. |
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Post by Barnacle on Jan 31, 2007 9:54:15 GMT -8
No, just that area above the gold stripe. Anything other than a dark anti-fouling paint below said stripe is impractical. By "hull" I meant "not the deck house."  |
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Post by YZFNick on Jan 31, 2007 22:43:43 GMT -8
Classic, what a beautiful ship. Thanks!
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Post by SS Shasta on Feb 6, 2007 18:31:36 GMT -8
It was all too sad to see her go. The Maggie and Princess Pat were beautiful ships........gone, but certainly not forgotten.
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Post by WettCoast on Feb 9, 2007 22:58:17 GMT -8
Another view of the Princess Marguerite and her sister Princess Patricia laid up for the off-season in Victoria's Inner Harbour. This photo, from about 1973, shows both vessels in the 'CP Rail' livery of that period.  photo by JST - Wet Coast Kid |
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Post by hergfest on Feb 20, 2007 1:44:59 GMT -8
I was going through my Dad's old photos and found some pics of the Maggie in Seattle. Two of them with the Columbia next to her with the Kingdome in the background, about 1978.
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Post by FNS on Feb 20, 2007 13:06:06 GMT -8
She was quite a ship.
I had the opportunity to see the ship at Burrard in the spring of 1975 when she was transformed into the liner of the Union Jack. From a "clown" - like stack of CP Rail to a beautiful British one, well suited for a ship that came from the United Kingdom.
We all miss her.
Hate to think that any remains of her is infested with deadly Cobras in India.
TAKE A PRINCESS TO SEA!
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Post by Neil on Feb 20, 2007 13:42:24 GMT -8
Boy, I have to disagree with you on the stack, 'seattle. I much preferred the CP colours to the more touristy scheme that played on the kitschy, ersatz 'Britishness' of Victoria.
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Post by Queen of Nanaimo Teen on Feb 20, 2007 16:40:56 GMT -8
I completely agree with Hornbyguy. The union jack stack looked terrible I think. I liked the old CP colours later (with a black hull to  ) |
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Post by FNS on Feb 20, 2007 18:49:30 GMT -8
I had the opportunity to see the ship at Burrard in the spring of 1975 when she was transformed into the liner of the Union Jack. From a "clown" - like stack of CP Rail to a beautiful British one, well suited for a ship that came from the United Kingdom. The above quote was intended towards the red, white, and black modern stack coloring CP Rail gave her in 1970. She looked much better before then with the old classy buff and black traditional colors on the stack and the black surround on the Main Deck. I wished they could have kept this all her career, even under her BC Government operations (like what the BC Ministry of Highways did on the SECHELT QUEEN and PRINCESS OF VANCOUVER up on the Comox run). Puget Sound has never been the same without the PRINCESS MARGUERITE on the Victoria run in the summers. I still get up in time thinking that this ship will pass our Whidbey place at 0945 on her northbound trips and then wait until 2000 to see her again on her southbound trips. Her whistles still sound in my head. I remember foggy mornings and hearing her whistles with that cathedral effect with echos. The humming "burr" of electricity on her switchboard was neat to hear when aboard, a true sense of great power coming from the turbo-electric generators. The white steam coming from her sounding whistles was neat to see and offered a science lesson on the speed of sound. I sure wish we could rewind the clocks back and experience this once again! |
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Post by FNS on Feb 20, 2007 18:58:53 GMT -8
One neat thing happened in the early 1970s. People water skiing behind the MAGGIE! And, under watch from the lens of a KING 5 motion filming camera. This was shown on the fun KING 5 local show called: "HOW COME?". A neat show on how things worked and neat things to show as well. Oh, the good old days!
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Post by Barnacle on Feb 20, 2007 20:31:45 GMT -8
Wow. "How Come?" with Al Wallace, Sunday nights at 6:30. I miss that show. Wallace died in 1981 from leukemia, and the show only lasted another year with hat Klinger hosting. [edit] stupid censor. Fine, have it your way, stupid code... Richard Klinger hosting.  |
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Post by WettCoast on Feb 20, 2007 22:58:33 GMT -8
You choose - CP coastal steamer colour schemes... The following images are from 1966, 1973, and 1977. All feature the Maggie, with the Patricia also present in the middle photo. Photos 2 & 3 are mine, while the first photo is from my brother's [DOT] collection. I do not know the name of the photographer. I personally like the Union Jack treatment that was given to the Maggie after it became a BC crown entity. I also like the old CP Steamship scheme of the years before 1970.    The CP Rail scheme, IMHO, looked good on the trains, not so good on the ships.  |
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