FNS
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Post by FNS on Jan 19, 2012 12:51:39 GMT -8
The real problem came when it was decided to move the Seattle operations to Pier 48 from Pier 69. As said before, Pier 69 was a side loading terminal for both passengers and vehicles. This worked well for the PRINCESS MARGUERITE and VANCOUVER ISLAND PRINCESS. The MAGGIE loaded cars through her port side in Seattle and unloaded them through the starboard side at the Inner Harbour terminal in Victoria. The VIP loaded cars through her port side at Pier 69 in Seattle and unloaded them through her stern at Ogden Point Victoria.
After the move to Pier 48, the VIP loaded through her stern there and all cars did a U-turn at the forward end of the ship to get off through the stern in Victoria. Just like what was done on the Vancouver to Nanaimo CPR run.
With no capabilities of side loading of vehicles anymore in Seattle, the MAGGIE lost a good source of revenue (vehicle boardings) and we lost our favorite ship.
The CROWN PRINCESS VICTORIA was an awful replacement. You were forced to dine to get a front window view of the beautiful Puget Sound scenery. There were no alternate means of forward viewing, even outside. Bad ship layout on that one. Never rode the CPV. It would be several months later after 1990 when I saw this ship doing runs between San Diego and Ensenada.
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Post by Neil on Jan 20, 2012 11:18:58 GMT -8
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Post by Neil on Jan 21, 2012 11:00:30 GMT -8
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Post by Low Light Mike on Jan 21, 2012 11:10:25 GMT -8
Cool-looking Captain Al is now "Marine Superintendent, Northern Islands" for BC Ferries. |
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Post by Neil on Jan 22, 2012 11:05:57 GMT -8
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Post by bcferryfan87 on Jan 22, 2012 23:57:51 GMT -8
Here's my take on the whole "Marguerite's passenger numbers down" scenario: Stena - as mentioned in another post - now used pier 48 and with no possibility of carrying vehicles on the Maggie, anyone who wanted to go to Vic from Seattle now had to take the VIP; in my case, living in Richmond at the time, I had decided I wanted to take the trip from Seattle; I drove to Seattle, overnighted in Seattle at some downtown Best Western or similar (all well planned out in advance) and had to take the VIP - the 10:00am sailing to Victoria; I desperately wanted to take the Maggie -little did I know it would be the last summer for it - but the logistics would have been a nightmare for me (e.g. leave car in Seattle, take Maggie to and from Seattle Vic roundtrip); what I should have done was go to Vic, board Maggie that nite to Seattle and then ride it back the next day; but at the time I was not even 19 (18 going on 19) so it was a journey for me to do the trip (maybe call me ignorant /naive (sp) ) but point is, Stena made what would have been an easy trip AND 1 more passenger on the Maggie, now was an extra psngr on VIP. Albeit the VIP was nice, glad I did it, but it was the "second choice"; The whole fiasco with them retiring the Maggie was conveniently done; they did not want the Maggie; they never did it seems. Darn shame. Interesting that story about Bristol; I wonder why that fell apart? (There were so many "plans" where the maggie looked like it would have another life; none of them came to be).
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Post by Neil on Jan 23, 2012 10:55:09 GMT -8
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Post by Neil on Jan 24, 2012 10:12:23 GMT -8
Vancouver Sun:  |
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Post by Neil on Jan 25, 2012 10:31:30 GMT -8
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Post by Neil on Jan 26, 2012 10:51:21 GMT -8
In the end, they didn't refurbish her and bring her back to BC or turn her into a hotel in Brighton or Burma or any of the other plans they concocted along the way, although EGfleet does tell us that her owners used her as a gambling venue in Singapore. Nor did Sea Containers start their fast ferry service between Victoria and Seattle. Nothing more than big plans and empty talk, something that has never been in short supply among wannabe ferry operators on our coast. This ad ran in the Vancouver Sun January 13, 1996; the ' Marguerite was scrapped the next year.  |
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Post by mrdot on Jan 29, 2012 11:52:49 GMT -8
:)while the clarity is not good you can pick out the lower placed whistle's on the funnels, therefore it is the Maggie! the heavily retouched Elaine looks pritty shipshape, when put along side any modern wonderboot! mrdot.
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dave2
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Post by dave2 on Jul 4, 2012 20:11:34 GMT -8
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Post by lmtengs on Jul 5, 2012 0:19:46 GMT -8
Nice find, Dave, much appreciated!!  |
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Post by EGfleet on Sept 29, 2012 9:35:08 GMT -8
 An area that generally wasn't photographed as much--the stern of the Maggie. |
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Post by FNS on Sept 29, 2012 11:51:09 GMT -8
An area that generally wasn't photographed as much--the stern of the Maggie. That's a good photo find. This must have been taken as the ship was being redecorated into BCSS colors from CP Rail in 1975. Notice that the ship still had her ten lifeboats then. The officers mess exteriors weren't given the new buff color, just yet. I was let into that yard in the spring of 1975 to get a closer look at the ship. |
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Post by lmtengs on Oct 26, 2012 22:41:13 GMT -8
 Princess Marguerite, as seen in one of the elevator lobbies at the Empress in Victoria. They have CP Steamships memorabilia throughout the halls. It's an interesting walkthrough. |
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Post by FNS on Jun 9, 2013 18:42:21 GMT -8
Here is a view of the Pier 64/65 complex very few people would see from the pier side of this former Seattle home of the PRINCESS MARGUERITE:  Cars loaded on the lower plank. Passengers loaded on the upper plank. CP used the west and the south sides of this beautiful old terminal. Image date of this photo was 1957. |
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Post by EGfleet on Oct 11, 2013 8:04:59 GMT -8
Kind of a sad photo here--the Maggie being towed to Singapore and what would ultimately be her end:  |
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Post by WettCoast on Oct 11, 2013 8:15:26 GMT -8
Kind of a sad photo here--the Maggie being towed to Singapore and what would ultimately be her end: Sad, indeed! |
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Post by mrdot on Oct 11, 2013 13:15:41 GMT -8
Kind of a sad photo here--the Maggie being towed to Singapore and what would ultimately be her end: |
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Post by compdude787 on Oct 11, 2013 16:34:26 GMT -8
mrdot I've noticed a lot of times where you quote another post but doesn't say anything in response. Are you having problems with quoting other posts in Proboards v5? I'm always wondering what you meant to say, and it kind of bugs me not knowing.
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Post by compdude787 on Oct 11, 2013 16:36:07 GMT -8
Kind of a sad photo here--the Maggie being towed to Singapore and what would ultimately be her end: Yeas this is a pretty sad photo. The Maggie looked like such a classic and historic vessel. |
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Post by EGfleet on Apr 12, 2015 7:01:41 GMT -8
First clip of the Marguerite--Port Angeles, 1974.
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Post by EGfleet on Apr 13, 2015 7:46:42 GMT -8
The second bit of footage from the Victoria side.
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Post by peter on Apr 24, 2015 15:54:31 GMT -8
I uploaded to YouTube some video footage of the steamship Princess Marguerite from 1988 that may be of some interest. Shows arrival and departure from Victoria, lots of whistling, and includes specifications of the steam whistle. It is low resolution so best viewed on the smaller screen:
Steamship Princess Marguerite
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